Rubbish! If you don't like him, fine, but he is and was a worthy winner to any lucid person who watched the series. Why on earth should the prize he won fair and square be diminished by making him share it? Let it go...

Another couple of episodes tonight. Got the Southern Comfort waiting!

After last week's improvement back to being really dull.

Only 2 more weeks to go before we find out who has won or will the final be separate and on in 3 weeks time?

Has to be one of the women who win it surely, the two guys who are left don't seem that great to me. With the silly system of the winner staying as team leader has anyone not been a team leader yet?
There must be a couple at least.

Its still interesting how Trump rampages through all the sensitive issues in the US PC agenda .Its a good insight into how fragile US racial relations are. Muna can't be understood by the people watching her in the film , but her team can't not use her . He can't say that Mona has to go for being incomprehensible, although he can say she was - but he can't sack her PM for using her where she wanted to be used either . So he ends it by declaring Muna did a very bad job, without specifying why.

Then we have the terrible handling of Nicole's romance - lets ask the girl all the embarrassing questions on air in the boardroom and then be surprised if she's still preoccupied by it at the end. Bikinis every week and now relationship counselling in the boardroom....where next?

Not sure what the second task showed either. Nicole had an idea that a mobile sales team could intercept business heading to the other teams fixed location, but they ended up in the same location. its a good idea that didn't work geographically. its also the only idea, so she can't be fired. Not sure what Angela as PM was meant to come up with though - two stalls side by side or moving forward leapfrogging each other? Its true her team didn't resort to more underhand methods, but I don't really think Trump will employ the two males who look like incredible used car salesmen either? They do seem terribly shallow and impressed by the Trump show - as seen in the "if we were as rich as him we could fly around in helicopters and jets" moment .

How he's going to find a winner when so few people have been PM and won and then survived, and when the males are so unsavoury, I don't know. Apart from Heidi no one has a record that looks that good and even hers he's noted has been one of losing recently.

3 guys left - Frankie, James and Romeo...

Yes, I realised after but it was to late to alter my post, although all 3 seem pretty useless to me especially the one that's the team leader because they have won twice.

That's not my reading at all. They didn't know she was going to be incomprehensible until it was too late. Her being put in front of the camera had nothing to do with her race, and everything to do with her virtually refusing to manage the timeline like the PM asked.


As Ivanka said, it wasn't Muna's fault that her dialogue didn't come across on camera. It's hard to tell what your own accent is like. That's the job of the director, to monitor, spot problems and fix them.

Muna's fault was being difficult to manage, by insisting on being in front of the camera in the first place. And the PM's fault was for giving in. It was a judgement call as to who's fault was bigger.


Doing the same as the other team would have been better. The family tickets they were selling cost close to $1000, so they needed to look respectable to take the money. Arrow understood that. Angela's team didn't. Also, Arrow were offering free water, and they arrived first and got set up in the best position. Angela's team were hopeless.


It's hard to tell how sincere they are, and how much playing up for the cameras because that's what they signed on to do. Arguably, Trump's been getting less respect since that woman quit.

But at least Ivanka's back.

Apart from her, it's car-crash TV. What's amazing is they don't seem to care themselves any more. They don't even bother having "eyes and ears" monitor the task. Maybe one person will turn up during the day to ask each time how its going. When they made the soap opera, the 2 execs seemed to know nothing about the team members who weren't actually on camera.

I actually think this is the worst apprentice series I have ever seen. The candidates are nowhere near as good as previous the tasks are poor and the boardroom is just senseless.

I purposely stay up to watch and am always disappointed.

Its one of the reasons why
[LIST][*]It was held in LA, for one series[*]The losing team slept in tents, for one series[*]The winning captain remained pm, for one series.[/LIST]
It was a poor series, they tried something different. It didnt work so they abandoned it. At least they had the sense to abandon it and not continue with it.

I think they knew perfectly well she would be incomprehensible and the worst person they had to put in front of the camera. They have been with her for weeks and know all about the accent and the speed at which she talks. The problem was they couldn't say that on air or to Muna. The PM couldn't force the issue because of that, even if she had wanted to take on the other problem that Muna on past record would argue and turn negative. They all have to move to claiming its a new, specific,Muna issue that only shows up with hindsight on camera. As the team can't say to Muna you have to do a behind camera job, and there's all sorts of overtones if they do , Muna is perfectly positioned to stick out for an acting role. You can't then sack the PM for avoiding an issue that Trump and Ivanka both choose to avoid as well , or be seen to sack Muna for her accent or for arguing her right to be in front of the camera. You end up sacking Muna for doing a bad job - but not saying what it was.

The second week's task wasn't that clear. If they were both going to turn up at the same narrow entrance, whoever got the position furthest forward where the entrance narrowed enough would win, or they would end up side by side. Going ahead on skates if you didn't have the front position would have been a good move - if as you say you had looked official enough to get people to hand money over and you could get far enough away from the other team's stall. Angela's team end up in more or less the same place though and can't get ahead to intercept the market. Did they know the geography at all when they decided strategy? If they had a budget, did one team spend it all on skates and the other on water? If they had set up side by side, does it come down to aggressive and negative selling wins or who supplied the best freebies - or is going for the same position and set up really just leaving it to luck?

How could they NOT know? Sorry but they spent 24/7 with her they must have thought about it- she speaks fast and is not always the easiest to understand the team leader was just too scared to say so. I agree though, thats not her fault and was up to the team leader to manage her in a better suited role. she did deserve to be fired for being difficult though, she really was ackward

I quite liked Angela's teams idea ( although skimpy outfits were wrong some 'fun' and family friendly would have been better) but it just didnt work in the end, I think if theyd had bigger teams then maybe a couple out on rollerskates drumming up attention whilst some were behind a stall could have worked. The water was good idea, even though its relatively cheap it just saved people the hassle of queueing for their own and was something little extra the other team didnt have. Maybe Angelas team should have quickly snapped up some free gifts (even if a little pricey) to try and go one up on the other team.

Im really not liking Ivanka being on this series. One episode she flies in from New York just in time for the board room ( why? whats the point in having her then, why not find someone who can follow the whole task and give their opinion?). The other episode she is on her own following two groups around universal studies, again seems pointless it needed two people? these arent reasons to dislike her, its the production teams fault for organising it like this but I dont think it reflects well on her - she seems a bit out of her depth and it appears like her Dad is spoonfeeding her comments and pre-prepared questions for the boardroom (similar with the brother who just nodded along with his dad).


Me too, Im diasppointed but keep watching. my main problem is I feel we dont see enough of the tasks and then too much of the house politics -big brother style, I just like watching the tasks The boardroom seems as you say 'senseless' I find that the worst part. I quite like the mix of contestants though, there's some different characters in there, I cant call who the final will be.


True, I dont have a problem with trying something new - as I said above my main issue is the amount of time focused on the house/relationships/and the house divide situation I prefer to see more of the tasks. Did it make it a bad series because it was in LA? I thought that was maybe a good thing as they have access to different companies and obviously Hollywood on the doorstep.

I quite liked the PM idea, with the winning captain remaining, but I guess it doesnt quite work as we dont get to see some people lead at all. It was worth trying for one season though.

what happens next season does it go back to same format or was this when the celebrity versions started?

Its a very strange series . Heidi collapsed tonight in the second show - where did that come from? You still have the questionable wins and departures. Frank survives ruining his team's ad campaign by getting pictures that don't tell the story and points out whats wrong with his team's theme , again, too late.. The other team wins with an advert featuring only attractive late 20s looking females. Christine got sacked for putting on the wrong phone number - while doing all the work as Nicole slept.

The carrying over of the PM doesn't work for me. Heidi had a good winning record but we saw that that can depend more on your team under this format . We never saw what others could do. James and Frank are still there. If Stephanie doesn't win in that bunch , its going to look very odd. And has Stephanie (sp?) or Frank or Nicole actually ever won or won more than once as PM - I can't look it up on wiki without finding out who wins!

There's also all these tasks concentrating on advertising - why?

The tasks are more upmarket than the UK equivalents and have more spent on them and the candidates on average are more impressive - but then you get two thirds of them producing disasters in the second show tonight and you wonder a bit.

Heldi messed up a deserved to be fired, and out of the two (her and frank), Frank did put up a great fight in the boardroom, and he hot to her and she crack trying to defend herself. Overall she has been better than Frank, but thats the way things go.

I do agree about Nicole, god knows how she has gotten this far so far, should of been fired over Kristen.

Stephaine was never PM for any task. It can be argued she should of stepped up to the plate, however her team kept winning so she never had the chance, which makes this twist that same pm countuines every week pointless.

Frank was PM in week 1 and lost and Nicole Week 2 and she lost, never won as PM i think. I could look on wiki because I know who won anyway.

Looked on Wiki - They was only PM that one time they lost.

Overall I agree the twists were terrible, however I did like the candidates more than season 4 and 5

Frank and Nicole are the lamest of lame ducks. The Hair and the ineffable Sean said they could see loadmouth, 'I don't do writing' Frank on a construction site. So could I, preferably inside a block of concrete.

Anyone else think that Trump’s Vegas Twin Towers are in incredibly poor taste? Wasn’t exactly shying away from World Trade Center parallels was he? I half-expected them to be called Trump Freedom Towers.

The next three seasons were celebrity versions. Then they tentatively tried another "normals" season last year and nobody watched it (we're talking 4 million or so). Now they're back on the celebrity versions again.

It's why I love this season the most (apart from maybe Season 1, but even that's ruined by the utterly nonsensical interviews round). The show had been on a slow but steady decline since Season 1, with increasingly inept casts, lame tasks, boring reality show drama, nonsesnical Trump decisions, lame twists, declining viewing figures, and awful winners (SEAN?!). Going into Season 6 there was no reason to think it wouldn't be exactly the same as every season : a bit like the one before, but a bit worse and more boring. It then spontaneously combusted so spectacularly and hilariously that they couldn't do another season ever again.

Nobody's taking this crap seriously, about three of them want to work for Trump max, and a couple of them laugh in his face and basically call him stupid as they get fired ("here's how the sun works Mr Trump doot doot doot"). All the candidates live in tents and shower in wind-tunnels, the tasks are so obviously vapid that even stretched out to the max they last about 10 minutes of screen-time, two of the finallists are so trashy, useless and embarassing that if they'd been born a couple of states over they'd both have been in Jersey Shore, one of the rewards was "party with hookers at the Playboy Mansion", they cast a giant mute butch Olympian via public vote who then just kind of...existed...the list goes on.

There's jumping the shark, and then there's jumping the shark so hard that you land on the moon. It's glorious to watch.

What a joke, i wanted Heidi to win this series. I know Heidi got all flustered and messed up but surely her past record should have been taken into account(4 times PM and 3 wins). Guess thats what sleep deprivation can do....

Also, how did Kristine got fired over Nicole?! Crazy...Kristine should have played it safe by teaming with Heidi- they knew each others strengths/weaknesses. Heidi and Frank had never worked together so were already at a disadvantage!

Kristine got fired because of the fatal mistake of the phone number - unexcusable in marketing. Overall Kristine would noy have made a good apprentice imo. Kristine strategically refused to wake up Nicole and carry on alone, you can't do that in an organisation she deserved to be fired imo.

As for Frank staying over Heidi at this stage in the game it just typfies the weird boardrooms and no regard to who will be a better fit in the organisation.

Have to agree with you, Heidi deserved to be kept on for her wins in previous tasks couldn't believe it when the hair fired her, ok she didn't do a good job on this task but she won 3 or 4 times in previous weeks. As you say really she and Kristine should have stayed together but I suppose they thought that may be classed as the safe option.
Surely it has to be Stephanie who wins although admittedly her and James seemed to click and work well last night. Knowing the "Hair" it will probably be him who wins though.
I think Frank's building site comment summed up his usefulness.

Overall I have to agree with the other poster who said no one REALLY seems to want the job they seem to be in it for the publicity.

Quick question Im watch ice hocky at the moment and I swear one of the presenters is Heldi? Is it?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1446430

Anyone fancy replying to some of the idiotic comments on this thread?

ah yes, forgot to add in my original post Kristine should have been fired along with Nicole. I also think Trump fired Kristine because she spoke about Nicole behind her back (when she went outside with James to check the correct number)


Done some research on Heidi - prior to the apprentice she was a model and actress, now a tv presenter


Yes.

About Heidi from wiki
She is a website host for the Los Angeles Kings and The Hockey Show on NHL.com. She also serves as a reporter for Fox Sports West/Prime Ticket on Kings telecasts and for Showtime at Strikeforce Mixed martial arts events