thanks for clearing that up for me. I wa ssure it was her when I saw her name was heldi.

Trump seemed very angry at the end - as if he had just sacked all the people he wanted to win? Not sure if the previous two winners were treated as if he was entirely happy with them either when they appeared. Perhaps thats part of the reasoning why there was no successor series. Its his own fault though - he had had at least three convincing series winners with decent records as PMs to judge from, so its seems to be another case of the "lets add a twist" to "improve" things compulsion that ruins so many shows.

So James is the only one left who has won as PM....

Someone from the Apprentice was on Fox News last night as I was half watching - looked like her?

I think Heidi should have been fired. She lied several times during the boardroom, and was caught. Trump jnr even said as much when Frank asked him. The brochure was total rubbish, the presentation wasnt much better. She said she saw it break ground, Trump said it broke ground a year ado. There was just so much wrong with her this week. She won as PM mainly because she had a stronger team. Trump would have been better of firing both teams to be honest. Nicole and Frank arent apprentice material.

Kristines mistake of putting on the wrong phone number was unforgivable. It was right she should have been fired.

Just googled trump tower, and there seems to be only one trump tower in Vegas - and not two as was mentioned in the program last night. Having looked at the room in the hotel, they do look very nice, and done to a high spec.

Yes, according to wikipedia they still plan to build a 2nd one but presumably they will wait until the market improves.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Hotel_Las_Vegas

http://www.lvrj.com/business/17334999.html

Just have a read of the comments at the bottom of the 2nd link.

Yes, the second tower never got built. The financial crisis contributed towards that.

First of all - are there any SPOILERS in this thread before I read it? (Only just found this thread!)

I was glad that Heidi went over Frank because she had been responsible for all that waffle. I was worried at one point that he wasn't going to be forceful enough and her track record would get her through. I didn't mind Heidi, but she was awful on this task. The pitch was dreadful.

Nicole should have gone too. She has done well on and off and I don't mind her but she was rude and lazy on this task and has become far too full of herself.

I find it weird that Trump wanted to get rid of them - It's not like her was forced, he could have got rid of a team instead. He changed the rules to get rid of Heidi and Kristina. If he really rated Heidi and wanted to keep her he could have used the excuse that a team had to go and the number thing was inexcusable. Or if he really rated Nicole he could have said the pitch/video was worse than the number error to save her team. He must really like nicole and frank.

Because he failed to hug them? If he wasn't 'happy with them', I doubt he would have hired them in the first place let alone ask them to be his eyes and ears years later.:yawn:

This. So-o-o-o-o-o glad Smug Heidi's finally been given her marching orders - it's one of the few reasons I've kept watching. She did f*ck all on the task then lied throughout the boardroom! Her previous wins were down to having conscientious team members - no more, no less.

Think it was harsh Kristine got fired but Trump seems to have a bit of a soft spot for Nicole - surely he could have kept them both? At any rate, Stephanie's the best candidate remaining for me.

Oh and I think Trump Tower is extremely tacky.

To me it seems the opposite. Ivanka usually makes insightful comments or asks penetrating questions, and then Donald picks up on them. She's feeding him, not vice versa. I don't see any reason to think her questions have been prepared for her.

Not if your up to date with the episodes (only 2 left), a couple of posters do know the final result but they have been good enough to make sure they don't tell us or drop any hints for the rest of us who don't.

I hope they go straight to season 10 next, I find the celebrity version very boring (good for charity, but its a case of who knows more people with money).

Season 10 is the only one I havent seen so hopefully they will show it in the next 4 years

Didn't Trump and Junior say how great Frank would be at working on the building site or something at the end. What a ridiculous reason for keeping a perspective businessman in.

Think Trump was suffering from the Sugar disease of seeing a bit of himself in someone, with the New York schtick, and letting it cloud his judgement.

The first celebrity apprentice is worth watching...I wasnt a fan of piers morgan before watching it...liked him a lot more afterwards. The fight between him and amarosso (sp??) is quality tv.

I would only watch Series 10 for completeness sake if they air it. I've never seen a show more obviously going through the motions. About the only interesting thing that happens, besides the usual comedy halfwits, blowhards and harpies is when



And even that you have to wait through 3 months or so of tedium for.

I did watch season 7, however I find it boring because its the case whos knows the rich people.

However the women from season 1 and Piers arguments were classic

Many thanks I can read safely now - I am up to date with BBC pace.

Hehe I didn't know they had a public vote... but I haven't searched for anything about this series because it's so old and there will be spoilers.

I quite like the tent idea. It's just so cruel. I couldn't tolerate showering outside and not having an area to do my makeup. So very mean.

I don't think she lied. She said that she and Frank both had some responsibility for the poor text on the brochure. She never claimed Frank wrote it. His contribution was monopolising the computer for so long that Heidi couldn't finish. Her argument was too subtle for Frank or Trump to follow, and they thought she contradicted herself. She was, at worst, unclear.


I think his heckling of her may have been part of her problem. She could have done the presentation at the end instead, but he started heckling her again, even told her to sit down.


She's far from perfect, but I'd rate her over Frank. Frank did a lousy job on the video, and even told Trump that the towers would sell themselves. Crazy. Frank does have the worse track record. He doesn't seem to have ideas, he just implements, and he often implements wrong. And then he points out problems when it's too late to fix them. He should have been fired long ago.


I completely disagree. For me that was the most injust firing I've seen in either version of this show. It gets me quite riled up thinking about it, so I'll try to be brief.[list][*]It wasn't the wrong number. There were two numbers, one for the Trump company building the tower, and the other for a company hired by Trump to do PR. Both numbers would have worked.[*]If it were wrong it's easy to fix if you notice it. It takes 2 minutes. (Compare with getting the body copy wrong, which takes hours to rewrite. Or getting the video footage wrong.)[*]In real life you'd have time to proof-read for such mistakes. If you don't have time to proof-read, you blame whoever let the time pressure get so severe that mistakes become inevitable, not the person who made the mistake.[*]Kristine didn't enter the number, the graphic guy did. If she is being blamed for not checking, Nicole is equally in the frame.[*]Even if the brochure went out with the wrong number, it's not a fatal mistake. Most people who are motivated enough to dial it and potentially buy a an apartment, will also be motivated enough to google for the correct number when the number they have doesn't work. (Again, it's worse to have such poor copy, or such poor video, that no-one is motivated to call the number in the first place.)[/list]It was a travesty. Trump fired her without thinking. Usually we don't know how much is lost in the edit, but this time we hear her say that's she didn't get a chance to defend herself, so none of the above points can be made. It's another random firing from Trump.

What makes it worse is that Nicole was right there. Nicole contributed nothing to the task. She doesn't ask questions when on site. She's responsible for the presentation, but she doesn't prepare. After Kristine presses her on it, she interviews that the details don't matter as long as her enthusiasm shows through. I'm sorry, there are some things I'll buy merely because a pretty salesgirl is enthusiastic about it, but the family home isn't one of them. Product details matter. Then she can't get the computer to work, presumably because she's not rehearsed. She's a disaster. Her track record is poor, too. This isn't the first task she slept through. She's only stood out for bad ideas, like the roller-skates, or for non-task things like being stung by a jellyfish or her relationship with Tim. (Frankly I'd rather hire the jellyfish.)

Trump should have got someone on the production crew to validate the phone numbers. Someone competent and neutral, who makes their living from checking facts. Instead he sends James, who has a vested interest in seeing Kristine and Nicole lose, and Nicole who is so lazy she slept through half the task. James calls both numbers and Nicole just watches. He calls his own number first; it's correct. So then he assumes the other number is wrong, and is just going through the motions. He calls it anyway, and when he gets to a company he doesn't recognise, he hangs up. He doesn't ask the company if he has the right number for a Trump tower enquiry. Why should he? Nicole just watches, lazy as ever. If Kristine had been there, she might have insisted on making the call herself, and might have dug deeper, but as it's Nicole, the point is lost.

Nicole's failure to verify the number, together with her failure to achieve anything on the task, serve to get Kristine fired. Totally unjust.

Disagree with the later part of you post on Kristine. Kristine tactically didn't wake up Nicole even though she was asked. The rational that people will search to contact the company is not valid as the wrong number will loose sales. Ultimately Kristine wasn't a good team leader and she wasn't a team player.

I thought both Kristine and Nicole deserved to be fired. In fact, Nicole should have been fired when she said she wanted Tim on her team.

Either that or a good slap

It will lose some sales, but not all of them. A good leaflet with the wrong number is better than a bad leaflet, or no leaflet at all.

My main problem with Kristine's firing is that was in direct contradiction of the rules he laid out for the task. The worst team were to be fired. Heidi & Frank were by some magnitude the worst team, so they both should have gone. Certainly if you're going to change the entirety of the rules to fire someone contrary to them, then it should be for a better reason then one that didn't get Randall fired even when he was on a losing team, let alone a winning one.

The issue of course is why Frank and Nicole are both still there to screw up as ridiculously as they did on this task, making Heidi & Kristine essentially locked into a competition to see which of them could manage their dead weight better (which Kristine did by MAKING SURE IT WAS UNCONSCIOUS, for which she should have received recognition). But this series is so ridiculous that it's hard to care.

Hiedi did lie. Watch it again, and listen to what she says. She wasnt too subtle . Was she better than Frank overall..yes. Was she better than Frank on this task...not sure they were as bad as each other.

I am glad she got fired, didnt like her from the start...she thought too much of herself.

As for NIcole, she should hav gone as well..personally I woul dhave fired both teams, and let the other two fight it out.

Too many peole to quote so just adding some of my opinions in again.....

I don't think Heidi meant to lie - but it was unclear what she was trying to say and the fact Trump who would not let her even finish her sentences did not help. He was definately angry at the end though...

To the people who thought she was 'smug' - well why shouldn't she be, she was always singled out as being a star either by Trump, her team or the opposing team.

She was a strong leader (3 wins) and i think a FM said that was to do with her team mostly- imo not true, whenever someone else was PM in Kinetic the team argued. Only when Heidi led the team worked rather well.

Re. Heidi's firing and the editing in the boardroom - in a post interview she said she did bring all the previous tasks re.her wins etc, but clearly he did not take that into consideration.