Samoa Joe can be built back up to the main events in time. He already had some time there, now he needs to help out the mid card talent.
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Originally Posted by AJ Wheels:
“Is Mr Anderson purposefully the most annoying man on the planet?
And also, it saddens me that Samoa Joe is a mid card wrestler.”
“Is Mr Anderson purposefully the most annoying man on the planet?
And also, it saddens me that Samoa Joe is a mid card wrestler.”
Being top dog in school gyms doesnt mean you should be main event in 2nd biggest wrestling company in the world....
although joe can be and needs a better fued than reds big bro
those 2 should be a tag team actually, the red brothers
Originally Posted by AJ Wheels:
“Is Mr Anderson purposefully the most annoying man on the planet?
And also, it saddens me that Samoa Joe is a mid card wrestler.”
“Is Mr Anderson purposefully the most annoying man on the planet?
And also, it saddens me that Samoa Joe is a mid card wrestler.”
Originally Posted by wildmovieguy:
“Samoa Joe can be built back up to the main events in time. He already had some time there, now he needs to help out the mid card talent.”
“Samoa Joe can be built back up to the main events in time. He already had some time there, now he needs to help out the mid card talent.”
Anderson is terrible. He's a babyface, but the gimmick is he's an a**hole. They obviously think he's Austin v.2, but Austin wasn't a whiny guy constantly wanting his title shot.
Samoa Joe was a guy who was hot when they brought him in. Then they watered him down by doing stupid ninja obduction angles that really went nowhere.
Reading the new show spoilers, it looks like more swiss cheese storylines.
I dunno, I've started to warm to Anderson recently, although as a rule of thumb I hate tweener characters. He doesn't work as a face, as like you said, his gimmick goes against all that. I still think his best work was his early days in WWE as Mr. Kennedy, I thought he was hilarious!
Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo:
“Anderson is terrible. He's a babyface, but the gimmick is he's an a**hole. They obviously think he's Austin v.2, but Austin wasn't a whiny guy constantly wanting his title shot.
Samoa Joe was a guy who was hot when they brought him in. Then they watered him down by doing stupid ninja obduction angles that really went nowhere.
Reading the new show spoilers, it looks like more swiss cheese storylines.”
“Anderson is terrible. He's a babyface, but the gimmick is he's an a**hole. They obviously think he's Austin v.2, but Austin wasn't a whiny guy constantly wanting his title shot.
Samoa Joe was a guy who was hot when they brought him in. Then they watered him down by doing stupid ninja obduction angles that really went nowhere.
Reading the new show spoilers, it looks like more swiss cheese storylines.”
To be fair I would never have called Anderson a face he has always displayed heelish characteristics and targeting both sides thus he is a tweener.
Yes, I think it would be a mistake to think TNA are building him as a babyface.
Austin became such a massive babyface because a) the anti-hero character had never been done so well before and b) he was facing off against Mr. McMahon, the sole leader of the company and a massive heel. So there was a real David v Goliath struggle going on there as well.
The nature of TNA's kayfabe management structure doesn't allow for that to happen, as there's several people who "control" the company. Dixie, Foley, Hogan, Bischoff etc.
Austin became such a massive babyface because a) the anti-hero character had never been done so well before and b) he was facing off against Mr. McMahon, the sole leader of the company and a massive heel. So there was a real David v Goliath struggle going on there as well.
The nature of TNA's kayfabe management structure doesn't allow for that to happen, as there's several people who "control" the company. Dixie, Foley, Hogan, Bischoff etc.
I don't wan't too upset TNA fans but.
TNA is nothing more than a cheap WWE/WCW/ECW knock-off. They try to copy WWE all the time (changing the six-sided ring to a four-sided ring, bringing in pretty much any WWE wrestler that just got released, that exact reenactment of the Montreal Screwjob, etc.). They tried to copy WCW and still are (Monday Night Wars part 2 alone makes them copycats). And now they're trying to copy ECW. When are they going to do something original? Here's a thought. How about they get rid of Hogan and Bischoff? Then all they have to do is flip the switch in Dixie Caarter's brain from off to on and maybe she can actually make TNA actual competition for the WWE, cause right now they're nowhere near WWE's level. It's kinda sad, really. Even with Hornswoggle, Superman Cena, the sea of rubbish mid carders, and this stupid Michael Cole angle, WWE is still WAY ahead of TNA.
TNA is nothing more than a cheap WWE/WCW/ECW knock-off. They try to copy WWE all the time (changing the six-sided ring to a four-sided ring, bringing in pretty much any WWE wrestler that just got released, that exact reenactment of the Montreal Screwjob, etc.). They tried to copy WCW and still are (Monday Night Wars part 2 alone makes them copycats). And now they're trying to copy ECW. When are they going to do something original? Here's a thought. How about they get rid of Hogan and Bischoff? Then all they have to do is flip the switch in Dixie Caarter's brain from off to on and maybe she can actually make TNA actual competition for the WWE, cause right now they're nowhere near WWE's level. It's kinda sad, really. Even with Hornswoggle, Superman Cena, the sea of rubbish mid carders, and this stupid Michael Cole angle, WWE is still WAY ahead of TNA.
I like Anderson -- would be the quintessential tweener if TNA had fewer of them. When he's overly pandering to the audience he is extremely annoying.
Crimson and Gunner, surprisingly enough show a lot of potential I feel.
Rumour is they are putting billboards everywhere, which is about time! Marketing and advertising has arguably suppressed this company as much as anything. Questionable decision is using only Hogan and Sting yet no image of Hardy or Foley or RVD. Unless there are a couple of different designs. Despite his issues Jeff Hardy is way more relevant to modern viewers (especially the lucrative kids/females market) than near 60 year old Hulk Hogan.
Crimson and Gunner, surprisingly enough show a lot of potential I feel.
Rumour is they are putting billboards everywhere, which is about time! Marketing and advertising has arguably suppressed this company as much as anything. Questionable decision is using only Hogan and Sting yet no image of Hardy or Foley or RVD. Unless there are a couple of different designs. Despite his issues Jeff Hardy is way more relevant to modern viewers (especially the lucrative kids/females market) than near 60 year old Hulk Hogan.
Originally Posted by Karl Rove:
“I don't wan't too upset TNA fans but.
TNA is nothing more than a cheap WWE/WCW/ECW knock-off. They try to copy WWE all the time (changing the six-sided ring to a four-sided ring, bringing in pretty much any WWE wrestler that just got released, that exact reenactment of the Montreal Screwjob, etc.). They tried to copy WCW and still are (Monday Night Wars part 2 alone makes them copycats). And now they're trying to copy ECW. When are they going to do something original? Here's a thought. How about they get rid of Hogan and Bischoff? Then all they have to do is flip the switch in Dixie Caarter's brain from off to on and maybe she can actually make TNA actual competition for the WWE, cause right now they're nowhere near WWE's level. It's kinda sad, really. Even with Hornswoggle, Superman Cena, the sea of rubbish mid carders, and this stupid Michael Cole angle, WWE is still WAY ahead of TNA.”
“I don't wan't too upset TNA fans but.
TNA is nothing more than a cheap WWE/WCW/ECW knock-off. They try to copy WWE all the time (changing the six-sided ring to a four-sided ring, bringing in pretty much any WWE wrestler that just got released, that exact reenactment of the Montreal Screwjob, etc.). They tried to copy WCW and still are (Monday Night Wars part 2 alone makes them copycats). And now they're trying to copy ECW. When are they going to do something original? Here's a thought. How about they get rid of Hogan and Bischoff? Then all they have to do is flip the switch in Dixie Caarter's brain from off to on and maybe she can actually make TNA actual competition for the WWE, cause right now they're nowhere near WWE's level. It's kinda sad, really. Even with Hornswoggle, Superman Cena, the sea of rubbish mid carders, and this stupid Michael Cole angle, WWE is still WAY ahead of TNA.”
Would you say that the rebranding to incorporate wrestling into their name whilst WWE removes mentions of wrestling is copying WWE?
They are copying ECW? You mean with the ECW dedicated PPV they had nearly a year ago?
The only thing they have done drastically wrong is moving to Mondays.
No offence Karl but your coming off as a WWE mark.
Originally Posted by jamespondo:
“Rumour is they are putting billboards everywhere, which is about time! Marketing and advertising has arguably suppressed this company as much as anything. Questionable decision is using only Hogan and Sting yet no image of Hardy or Foley or RVD. Unless there are a couple of different designs. Despite his issues Jeff Hardy is way more relevant to modern viewers (especially the lucrative kids/females market) than near 60 year old Hulk Hogan.”
“Rumour is they are putting billboards everywhere, which is about time! Marketing and advertising has arguably suppressed this company as much as anything. Questionable decision is using only Hogan and Sting yet no image of Hardy or Foley or RVD. Unless there are a couple of different designs. Despite his issues Jeff Hardy is way more relevant to modern viewers (especially the lucrative kids/females market) than near 60 year old Hulk Hogan.”
Jeff Hardy may me more relevant but if he ends up in Jail or gets fired then its not going to be a smart decision putting him on thousands of billboards.
If I had to put only three TNA wrestlers on the Billboard, I'd put Hogan, Foley and RVD. Hogan is instantly recognisable to even non-wrestling fans; Foley is still a big draw with a wide fanbase; and RVD is, in my opinion, still one of the best in-ring performers in the world.
Alternatively swap out RVD with AJ Styles. They've really got to start promoting AJ again as the Austin or Rock of TNA in terms of importance to the brand. I mean, I think TNA could lose virtually anyone on their roster, and while some would be massive losses (like Samoa Joe), no loss would be bigger than AJ. He's easily the companies biggest asset, arguably their only home-grown talent to be so over, and if they have to, they shouldn't hesitate to pay him more than Hogan per appearance to keep him with the company. Losing AJ Styles would be the equivalent of WWE losing Austin or The Rock during the Attitude era.
Alternatively swap out RVD with AJ Styles. They've really got to start promoting AJ again as the Austin or Rock of TNA in terms of importance to the brand. I mean, I think TNA could lose virtually anyone on their roster, and while some would be massive losses (like Samoa Joe), no loss would be bigger than AJ. He's easily the companies biggest asset, arguably their only home-grown talent to be so over, and if they have to, they shouldn't hesitate to pay him more than Hogan per appearance to keep him with the company. Losing AJ Styles would be the equivalent of WWE losing Austin or The Rock during the Attitude era.
TNA billboards really need to have guys associated with them. Not guys who are associated with wrestling from other promotions of the past.
Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo:
“TNA billboards really need to have guys associated with them. Not guys who are associated with wrestling from other promotions of the past.”
“TNA billboards really need to have guys associated with them. Not guys who are associated with wrestling from other promotions of the past.”
I see where you're coming from, but TNA are trying to expand their viewing audience. If someone hasn't heard of the promotion before, they are more likely to tune in after seeing a billboard with Kurt Angle, Sting, Foley and Hogan on it than they are with one that has Robert Roode, Crimson and Mr. Anderson.
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“I see where you're coming from, but TNA are trying to expand their viewing audience. If someone hasn't heard of the promotion before, they are more likely to tune in after seeing a billboard with Kurt Angle, Sting, Foley and Hogan on it than they are with one that has Robert Roode, Crimson and Mr. Anderson.”
“I see where you're coming from, but TNA are trying to expand their viewing audience. If someone hasn't heard of the promotion before, they are more likely to tune in after seeing a billboard with Kurt Angle, Sting, Foley and Hogan on it than they are with one that has Robert Roode, Crimson and Mr. Anderson.”
They've been trying to attract new audience for years.
I can understand using familiar faces, but the other side of the coin is that people see old guys like Hogan and probably say 'jeez, is he still wrestling?"
Well they must be doing something right if their ratings here keep increasing and it's not just by a few thousand every week. There must be more and more people watching TNA for the first time and are enjoying it. I think them going to Challenge was the best move that could have happened for them.
Originally Posted by wildmovieguy:
“Well they must be doing something right if their ratings here keep increasing and it's not just by a few thousand every week. There must be more and more people watching TNA for the first time and are enjoying it. I think them going to Challenge was the best move that could have happened for them.”
“Well they must be doing something right if their ratings here keep increasing and it's not just by a few thousand every week. There must be more and more people watching TNA for the first time and are enjoying it. I think them going to Challenge was the best move that could have happened for them.”
I still don't think TNA has found its base audience in the UK yet. I don't know about anybody else, but I haven't seen much advertising for TNA apart from on Challenge itself.
Good to see TNA attracting higher ratings, but it still doesn't mean much unless those people buy TNA products.
TNA will be far more worried about the news of a new Vice President that has came into Spike tv from the Discovery channels. The rumour is that he may want to take Spike tv in a different direction and away from the heavy male orientated programming of UFC/TNA/Manswers. This seems to have came to light due to UFC's Spike tv contract coming up for renewal. If this is true, TNA might get pushed out.
Well what are they gonna buy over here? Apart from belts, action figures and DVD there isnt a whole lot else. So how can a UK TNA fan help the company other than watching their programming allowing them to get higher ratings and hopefully being able to charge more for advertisers to advertise during their show? 244,000 viewers is a lot of viewers regardless of what bracket your in, if it's free, basic or premium. I'm sure any satelite company or cable company would be more than happy for one of their shows to get 244,000 viewers but then you factor in Freeview and that most of the country has access to Challenge now so the sky is the limit for TNA.
A lot of people moaned about TNA going to Challenge and then all the stuff about how WWE will make sure Sky doesn't show it, now we are 5 months down the line and it's the best thing that could have happened. Sky said they took it because of the ratings so if they were happy with what it was getting on Bravo i'm pretty sure they will be more than happy with the amazing ratings their now getting. It was an investment worth making and hopefully this will lead to a new breed of wrestling fans in the UK, even if it means it's people that can't afford Sky. Just like the old days of Sky when you had people watching WCW on TNT, many couldn't afford Sky Sports so they got into and got behind any wrestling they could afford. It's great to see wrestling become popular again.
A lot of people moaned about TNA going to Challenge and then all the stuff about how WWE will make sure Sky doesn't show it, now we are 5 months down the line and it's the best thing that could have happened. Sky said they took it because of the ratings so if they were happy with what it was getting on Bravo i'm pretty sure they will be more than happy with the amazing ratings their now getting. It was an investment worth making and hopefully this will lead to a new breed of wrestling fans in the UK, even if it means it's people that can't afford Sky. Just like the old days of Sky when you had people watching WCW on TNT, many couldn't afford Sky Sports so they got into and got behind any wrestling they could afford. It's great to see wrestling become popular again.
good point bout nitro/impact FTA
but still long way to go before wrestling can be called popular again imo
but still long way to go before wrestling can be called popular again imo
It's not gonna get to the stage where everyone is talking about wrestling again or you walk through town centres and see nwo shirts and steve austin shirts and triple h shirts. The business was a violent business then, it was blood and guts everyweek, it was about champions and storylines and nowadays it's all entertainment driven. It's never gonna click with people like it did 10 years ago, not because there isn't wrestlers that can pull it off but because the mindset of both companies is to treat wrestling like a big show. I think TNA are trying to get away from that stereotype and show people that wrestling can be about the atheletes in the ring and backstage we can see wrestlers talk like real people rather than being big characters but it's a big risk their taking. It wont happen as quickly for some people but you can't just expect the entire company to change overnight and from a TV show perspective, which is really all it is at the end of the day you can't just have Mick Foley come in and change the entire company. You need to have some kind of backlash so of course your still gonna have inring promos and arguing and bickering but the end result hopefully is gonna be more match time on the show and i think they can pull it off. The internet as usual is full of negative people but i think things are looking ok right now. It really isnt too bad.
Thoughts on Sacrifice:
Ink Inc. vs. Mexican America - 5/10 - Nothing special but a decent way to open the show. Predictable ending.
Robbie E. vs Brian Kendrick - 1/10 - Cringeworthy story telling, poor match, both men are better than this.
Mickie James vs Madison Rayne - 4/10 - Very average match but the pay-off with Tara got a nice old-school pop when she hit Madison.
Kazarian vs Max Buck - 7/10 - Started off slowly but both men really got into this, pulling off some fantastic moves. What a shame this wasn't built up at all over the last 4 weeks of impact - after hyping Buck up so much in the run-up to Lockdown, they butcher his momentum and make the winner obvious. Very bad booking, but at least the macth itself was solid.
AJ Styles vs Tommy Dreamer - 7/10 - Good match, great use of the table by Styles and screwjob ending sets up for Styles vs Bully Ray nicely.
Matt Hardy and Chris Harris vs Beer Money - 6/10 - Harris' return was built up well, and he still has quite the moveset up his sleeve. A good match but could have been better.
Jeff Jarrett and Karen Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle and Chyna - 6/10 - The match itself was disappointing, obviously until Chyna got into the ring. I know a lot of people laughed at TNA rehiring Chyna, but tbh it's looking like an excellent bit of business, as she was massively over with easily the biggest pops of the night, and her (albeit limited) in-ring action was classic WWF Chyna. As much as I've enjoyed their feud, I hope Kurt and Jarrett's next match is now their final one.
Sting vs. RVD - 4/10 - Please, please PLEASE take the belt off Sting. I appreciate what he has done for the business, but he's a total wreck. He didn't hit a single offensive manouevre until the end when he hit the Scorpion Deathdrop, perhaps one of the most pathetic looking finishers ever. RVD carried this match from start to finish, I really hope he gets the belt back at some stage because he deserves it. He was never treated right in WWE, and I hope TNA don't make the same mistake, as for my money, he's been one of the most entertaining wrestlers in the world ever since he first debuted in ECW.
Overall a pretty average PPV, although despite it being in the impact zone, the crowd were far better than they were at Lockdown.
Ink Inc. vs. Mexican America - 5/10 - Nothing special but a decent way to open the show. Predictable ending.
Robbie E. vs Brian Kendrick - 1/10 - Cringeworthy story telling, poor match, both men are better than this.
Mickie James vs Madison Rayne - 4/10 - Very average match but the pay-off with Tara got a nice old-school pop when she hit Madison.
Kazarian vs Max Buck - 7/10 - Started off slowly but both men really got into this, pulling off some fantastic moves. What a shame this wasn't built up at all over the last 4 weeks of impact - after hyping Buck up so much in the run-up to Lockdown, they butcher his momentum and make the winner obvious. Very bad booking, but at least the macth itself was solid.
AJ Styles vs Tommy Dreamer - 7/10 - Good match, great use of the table by Styles and screwjob ending sets up for Styles vs Bully Ray nicely.
Matt Hardy and Chris Harris vs Beer Money - 6/10 - Harris' return was built up well, and he still has quite the moveset up his sleeve. A good match but could have been better.
Jeff Jarrett and Karen Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle and Chyna - 6/10 - The match itself was disappointing, obviously until Chyna got into the ring. I know a lot of people laughed at TNA rehiring Chyna, but tbh it's looking like an excellent bit of business, as she was massively over with easily the biggest pops of the night, and her (albeit limited) in-ring action was classic WWF Chyna. As much as I've enjoyed their feud, I hope Kurt and Jarrett's next match is now their final one.
Sting vs. RVD - 4/10 - Please, please PLEASE take the belt off Sting. I appreciate what he has done for the business, but he's a total wreck. He didn't hit a single offensive manouevre until the end when he hit the Scorpion Deathdrop, perhaps one of the most pathetic looking finishers ever. RVD carried this match from start to finish, I really hope he gets the belt back at some stage because he deserves it. He was never treated right in WWE, and I hope TNA don't make the same mistake, as for my money, he's been one of the most entertaining wrestlers in the world ever since he first debuted in ECW.
Overall a pretty average PPV, although despite it being in the impact zone, the crowd were far better than they were at Lockdown.
You don't need Chyna to do a lot in the ring. That was what was so good about her with DX, she just stood there but when she striked someone it meant something.
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Sting vs. RVD - 4/10 - Please, please PLEASE take the belt off Sting. I appreciate what he has done for the business, but he's a total wreck. He didn't hit a single offensive manouevre until the end when he hit the Scorpion Deathdrop, perhaps one of the most pathetic looking finishers ever. RVD carried this match from start to finish, I really hope he gets the belt back at some stage because he deserves it. He was never treated right in WWE, and I hope TNA don't make the same mistake, as for my money, he's been one of the most entertaining wrestlers in the world ever since he first debuted in ECW.”
“Sting vs. RVD - 4/10 - Please, please PLEASE take the belt off Sting. I appreciate what he has done for the business, but he's a total wreck. He didn't hit a single offensive manouevre until the end when he hit the Scorpion Deathdrop, perhaps one of the most pathetic looking finishers ever. RVD carried this match from start to finish, I really hope he gets the belt back at some stage because he deserves it. He was never treated right in WWE, and I hope TNA don't make the same mistake, as for my money, he's been one of the most entertaining wrestlers in the world ever since he first debuted in ECW.”
RVD has brought some of it on himself though. There was another article in cageside seats this week- aren't these always fun- wherein a TNA worker was quoted as saying "Matt Hardy is in a daze, Jeff Hardy is in a daze, Kurt Angle is in a daze, and Rob Van Dam is stoned all day." Even if it isn't true, it's the image he has, and as Dixie knows, image is everything.
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