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Old 20-05-2011, 11:01
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So how come UFC, most Boxing shows and WWE still manage to get more than 8,000 people paying at least $45/$55 for HD PPV shows? TNA are charging $35 and still can't get many people.

TNA is a business. They need to make money. PPV has been and still is the biggest source of revenue to all of the other shows I've mentioned.
real sport is bigger than pro wrestling kiddo

ppv was huge back in 90s but people just stream it illegely the next day now

maybe if TNA toured people would be tempted to buy as it might be worth the better PQ lol
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Old 20-05-2011, 17:41
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*DESTINATION X - PROMOTIONAL POSTER*

http://tnauk.files.wordpress.com/201...ationx2011.jpg

Is that ring...six-sided?! Looks like it is gonna be an all-X-Division PPV baby!
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Old 20-05-2011, 17:53
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*DESTINATION X - PROMOTIONAL POSTER*

http://tnauk.files.wordpress.com/201...ationx2011.jpg

Is that ring...six-sided?! Looks like it is gonna be an all-X-Division PPV baby!
wow...worst ppv ever?

skinny guys doing 360 flips and no selling crazy moves is not worthy of a smiley

use them as crusierweights who open the shows,thats what they are after all,nothing more.
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Old 20-05-2011, 18:49
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Obviously the fact that TNA has a bigger market in the rest of the world than it does in America. We can talk all day about the reasons why that is the case, but all we're doing is speculating. Facts are facts - TNA is beating RAW and Smackdown in the ratings here in the UK nearly every week. Even before they went on Challenge, and they were on the pay-TV channel Bravo, the ratings were swinging 50/50 either way each week. So it's clear that TNA is making waves in the UK in a way that WWE is largely failing to do. When wCw was on terrestrial TV here in the UK, even at it's peak, WWF was still getting higher ratings than it.
TNA is on free tv. WWE isn't. Even when TNA was on Bravo, it was part of a cheaper package than WWE being in the Sports pack, tradionally on SS3/4.

As I said, the international PPV market is what inflates WWE's figures and deflates TNA's. That is a problem TNA need to address.
It's still 96k to 8k in the States. Being on PPV in other markets throughout the world would no doubt help, but what's to say they would be able to turn higher percentage of their viewers in to PPV buyers than they do in the States.

I partially agree with wildmovieguy here, however. The PPV business is crippled thanks to the internet, the sorts of figures that were seen in the 90s and early 00s will never be seen again. Yet what is the alternative? As you say, wrestling is a business, it's there to make money, and one of the major revenue streams of any successful wrestling company has to be PPV.
People will buy a product if they feel it's worthwhile. WWE and TNA's product has been diluted to such a level, that people feel they can skip the PPVs. Both companies need to stop doing stipulations for no reason, make the belts mean something by putting an emphasis on them.

I would be in favour of reducing it from 12 a year to either 4 or 6, and then maybe once a month have a 'special' episode of iMPACT. More time to build up storylines and the PPV begins to be much more important again. Plus, it would give TNA a chance to hold their PPVs all out of the impact zone, which let's face it, they really need to do.
Reducing the number of PPVs isn't a bad idea, especially considering TNA's currently aren't profitable, but that's their fault for their awful booking. Currently, TNA have contracts to fulfill. Regarding taping shows away from the Impact Zone, supposedly TNA have changed their minds again and are willing to do more shows on the road and absorb the costs.
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Old 20-05-2011, 18:51
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Very true. No "insider" called Chyna - in fact all the "insiders" were saying it was going to be Isis the Amazon
That was the plan until the last few days. Then they saw isis work and thought she may kill Karen. The fact that they went with Chyna, who almost slammed Jeff on his head on the PPV as the better option, shows you how awful isis is.
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Old 20-05-2011, 18:57
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The Jarett/Angle payoff was satisfying pantomime
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real sport is bigger than pro wrestling kiddo

ppv was huge back in 90s but people just stream it illegely the next day now

maybe if TNA toured people would be tempted to buy as it might be worth the better PQ lol
WWE used to outdraw alot of boxing shows. The only reason its changed is the rubbish booking of WWE. Not the increase of great boxing matchups.

People will pay for a PPV show, if they feel it's worthwhile. When you have PPV's that are always just parts of the storylines and all your major angles and matches are on Impact and nothing finishes on PPV, why would you bother buying the PPV.
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Old 20-05-2011, 23:47
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The days of wrestling being as bix as real sports has gone tho and wont be back till russo gets 100% control in tna
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Old 21-05-2011, 00:01
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The days of wrestling being as bix as real sports has gone tho and wont be back till russo gets 100% control in tna
He has complete booking control??

Interesting news that Terry Taylor has been fired as head of TNA talent relations.
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Old 21-05-2011, 01:38
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The days of wrestling being as bix as real sports has gone tho and wont be back till russo gets 100% control in tna
Don't mean to sound nasty but you're either completely delusional, oblivious to financial figures (past and present) or the man's kid. Or Vince himself working us all for a laugh!

Even if he did have 100% control of booking (which he maybe does) it won't improve the production values or lack of financial funds to move forward. Dixie's Carter has said new stars don't draw -- which is a crazy and mindboggling mentality which brings backstage politics too. Beyond that it is rare for an entertainment concept from the near past to become the hip in-thing over a wide demographic unless it is something fresh. That's just a few of the reasons why TNA will find it difficult to reach its full potential, nevermind ignite a wrestling boom.
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Old 21-05-2011, 20:21
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Goldberg sure does get around.
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Old 21-05-2011, 20:26
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Hogan has apparently been touting him recently as the new 'golden carrot' they can compete with WWE with. "If only we had xyz we could beat Vince". Goldberg is now the xyz

The reality of course is Goldberg has to be booked as a completely unbeatable monster to have any value, and Russo would probably have him job in week two.
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Old 21-05-2011, 20:41
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I'm sure Goldberg would have some things written into his contract. I think it would get old WCW fans watching. If they bring Goldberg in it's not because Goldberg is a huge star that their gonna build everything around, he will be there only to get people interested in the program and if they keep him there long enough and you get enough people tuning in every week just to see Goldberg then hopefully they will keep tuning in to see other people rather than just Goldberg.
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Old 22-05-2011, 13:17
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That was the plan until the last few days. Then they saw isis work and thought she may kill Karen. The fact that they went with Chyna, who almost slammed Jeff on his head on the PPV as the better option, shows you how awful isis is.
There is no evidence at all they ever planned to use Isis instead of Chyna. Again, you're basing this on hearsay, that some supposed "insiders" said Isis, turned out to be totally wrong, and then need to think of a reason why they got it wrong.

As for Goldberg, bleh, don't care for him, not what TNA need right now. Crimson and Matt Morgan have the potential to be new Goldberg's.
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Old 22-05-2011, 15:07
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Hogan has apparently been touting him recently as the new 'golden carrot' they can compete with WWE with. "If only we had xyz we could beat Vince". Goldberg is now the xyz

The reality of course is Goldberg has to be booked as a completely unbeatable monster to have any value, and Russo would probably have him job in week two.
Exactly. Protecing guys isn't Russo's strong point if you look at history, so you would end up having another old star that costs alot but means little.

I'm sure Goldberg would have some things written into his contract. I think it would get old WCW fans watching. If they bring Goldberg in it's not because Goldberg is a huge star that their gonna build everything around, he will be there only to get people interested in the program and if they keep him there long enough and you get enough people tuning in every week just to see Goldberg then hopefully they will keep tuning in to see other people rather than just Goldberg.
Most WCW fans simply stopped watching wrestling when Vince bought WCW. Whether those fans would consider coming back even after TNA getting Flair and to a lesser extent Hogan is unlikely.

There is no evidence at all they ever planned to use Isis instead of Chyna. Again, you're basing this on hearsay, that some supposed "insiders" said Isis, turned out to be totally wrong, and then need to think of a reason why they got it wrong.

As for Goldberg, bleh, don't care for him, not what TNA need right now. Crimson and Matt Morgan have the potential to be new Goldberg's.
Was there any evidence to prove that isis wasn't going to be in the Chyna role? These decisions do change, sometimes multiple times. Considering the amount of info they get right compared to wrong, I'm going to lean towards believing the original isis story.
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Old 22-05-2011, 17:09
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I don't think any of them called the return of Chris Harris either.
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Old 22-05-2011, 17:12
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TNA just tweeted a minute ago promising BIG news for UK fans, to be revealed on this Tuesday's impact (probably via a specially recorded promo like the Jeff Jarrett competition).

If they have any sense, it'll be either iMPACT recordings or a PPV. They've got so much momentum in the UK right now, a house show tour would be good but not as good as it can be.
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Old 22-05-2011, 17:14
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A few random thoughts......

Remember how WCW signed The Warrior so that Hulk Hogan could get his WrestleMania VI win back? Replace WCW with TNA, Warrior with Goldberg and WrestleMania with Nitro and you have the main reason why Hogan wants to sign Goldberg.

The people who watched WCW and the WWF back in 1998 have long since left wrestling behind, all that remain are the diehards and the Cena Generation. Goldberg has zero value in this day and age( and i like Goldberg but have no need to see him wrestle again)

Isis or Chyna? Young unknown or old WWF star? Who do ya think they were gonna pick?

IMPACT looks like a low budget SmackDown as opposed to low budget RAW. Why not use a new colour that isn't assosciated with WWE?

TNA/WWE buy rates affected by illegal streaming? Doesn't do much damage to the WrestleMania buy rate and thats the one show that everyone cares about. No one buys the other shows because they don't really matter and untill both companies find a way to change that they will continue to suffer.

This is all.
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Old 22-05-2011, 19:17
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I don't think any of them called the return of Chris Harris either.
Never said they did. Companies are going to do things that don't get out. Some stuff does get out, some stuff doesn't. In this case, it wouldn't have made any difference anyway, as Chris Harris means nothing and it was on a taped Impact, that the few wrestling fans who read spoilers would know.

TNA just tweeted a minute ago promising BIG news for UK fans, to be revealed on this Tuesday's impact (probably via a specially recorded promo like the Jeff Jarrett competition).

If they have any sense, it'll be either iMPACT recordings or a PPV. They've got so much momentum in the UK right now, a house show tour would be good but not as good as it can be.
TNA are supposedly wanting to tape more Impact shows on the road, so considering how their UK shows usually have some of their bigger attendances, it would make sense to tape infront of a hot crowd.

1. Isis or Chyna? Young unknown or old WWF star? Who do ya think they were gonna pick?

2. IMPACT looks like a low budget SmackDown as opposed to low budget RAW. Why not use a new colour that isn't assosciated with WWE?

3. TNA/WWE buy rates affected by illegal streaming? Doesn't do much damage to the WrestleMania buy rate and thats the one show that everyone cares about. No one buys the other shows because they don't really matter and untill both companies find a way to change that they will continue to suffer.

This is all.
1. Well they went with the name. The people did react to Chyna as a star. It supposedly had no helpful effect on the buyrate of Sacrifice.

2. Yeah.

3. Yeah.
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Old 22-05-2011, 20:37
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Maybe they will come over for a short tour and do some tapings.
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Old 22-05-2011, 20:45
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I think in the short-term, TNA's future may be in the international market. As well as the UK, they are growing internationally in general - in fact they just got a new and improved TV deal in Australia.

Obviously, the holy grail of any pro-wrestling company is the States, so TNA will never fulfill their potential until they start making in-roads there, but from a purely financial standpoint, it makes sense for them to go to different countries for more than just houseshows. One of the main criticisms of TNA is that the PPVs just feel like longer episodes of iMPACT due to being filmed in the zone - imagine the character they could have being filmed outside it. Although having said that, the crowd were far more alive during Sacrifice than they were during Lockdown, which was filmed outside the zone.

I think the criticism of the blue colour scheme is a bit unfair - there are only so many colour schemes you can go with in wrestling. White ropes are seen as very 1980s, red and blue are associated with Raw and Smackdown, and black ropes are usually reserved for PPVs. Personally I think the redesigned iMPACT zone looks fantastic, a lot brighter and more professional.
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Old 22-05-2011, 21:16
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I don't think a lot of fans on the road know how to react during matches because they only ever see what the fans do in Orlando. Apparantly TNA house shows are fantastic but the same can be said with WWE house shows. I've never understood why there is such a difference in atmosphere between house shows and TV tapings. During a houseshow it's not uncommon for fans to get on their feet, get rowdy, everyone rushes to the front to get good pictures or touch the wrestlers. You never ever see that happen in a TV taping. Maybe it's the idea of being on camera and people would rather just sit down, even the kids. But of course TNA is the opposite, their TV shows are where the fans are lively. Completely different from WWE's crowds on TV. TNA has that old WCW feel about it. Everything looks a little washed out, blacks are never black their always a dark shade of grey, the lighting is never as bright and shiney as WWE's. It gives the shows a different feel and look. People will always think of blue and red ropes with WWE shows. I'd like them to change the way they film each episode and go back to how they used to do it so that the crowd looks much bigger on TV.
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Old 22-05-2011, 21:48
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I think the problem with the iMPACT zone is that it looks like it's a small warehouse. Which it is. It makes TNA look very cheap.

That's why I think the rebranding was a good decision from a cosmetic standpoint alone, because although I haven't seen the full show yet, from looking at pics the iMPACT zone already looks much more professional and improved. That makes a difference.

It's funny though, because a good crowd can elevate a promotion to another level. I was watching some old ECW PPVs recently, and the crowd are just ridiculously good. Even if the match itself was terrible, the crowd made it worth watching. TNA needs to try attract that sort of rabid, cult following, although no crowd will ever reach the same level of dedication and insanity the ECW lot did.
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Old 22-05-2011, 23:56
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I think the problem with the iMPACT zone is that it looks like it's a small warehouse. Which it is. It makes TNA look very cheap.

That's why I think the rebranding was a good decision from a cosmetic standpoint alone, because although I haven't seen the full show yet, from looking at pics the iMPACT zone already looks much more professional and improved. That makes a difference.

It's funny though, because a good crowd can elevate a promotion to another level. I was watching some old ECW PPVs recently, and the crowd are just ridiculously good. Even if the match itself was terrible, the crowd made it worth watching. TNA needs to try attract that sort of rabid, cult following, although no crowd will ever reach the same level of dedication and insanity the ECW lot did.
Yep - I've always thought the problem with the TNA soundstage in Orlando is that fact that it's really well backlit, so you can see right to the back, and it doesn't actually extend that far.

If you think about ROH, the crowds are even smaller there, but it creates an illusion of being bigger because there's little light on the very back of the crowd. Same as WCW used to do come to think of it.

I think TNA would be better off keeping the crowd geed up by having more cruiserweight action. I've really found it quite dull in the last year or two - the high flying AJ Styles is nearly unrecognisable these days after he went 'mainsteam' within the company. I wish they'd go back to how they were a few years ago when they adopted more of an ROH mentality, as opposed to the current 'we're not trying to be the WWE honest' style.

Get the Teddy Harts etc. back with 1080 flips off cages and stuff
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Old 23-05-2011, 00:12
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It is amazing what a good camera crew can do. There's one promo shot of Sting they always use, whenever he just returned to TNA and he's wearing his jacket, he's posing on the turnbuckle and there's camera flashes going off everywhere. It's a great shot and the crowd looks like WWE one in it.
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Old 23-05-2011, 00:39
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A IMPACT looks like a low budget SmackDown as opposed to low budget RAW. Why not use a new colour that isn't assosciated with WWE?
The blue does remind me of me Smackdown but I dont think they should have to use another colour simply because WWE uses red and blue.

1. Well they went with the name. The people did react to Chyna as a star. It supposedly had no helpful effect on the buyrate of Sacrifice.
How do you know that?
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