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too_fast_4_u
16-08-2011
Originally Posted by KOE_9_ASH:
“While that's true, that's not the full story either.

Basically, while the decimal number has decreased, the viewership actually INCREASED to 1.4m people.”

yep, the news about UFC leaving spike tv will no doubt hit TNA's ratings abit.
seibu
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Not if they're playing to bingo hall attendances. Less than 500 tickets sold for the August 25th taping is a major kick in the teeth for the company.”

I'm curious where this 400 / 500 ticket number is coming from. I would have thought that would have been pretty confidential information. Is it from a credible source or the usual anti-tna bloggers?
too_fast_4_u
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by seibu:
“I'm curious where this 400 / 500 ticket number is coming from. I would have thought that would have been pretty confidential information. Is it from a credible source or the usual anti-tna bloggers?”

21 posts in 8 years

anyway google will help you in your search for answers.
Oscar_
17-08-2011
Oh no, fall out between Robbie E and Cookie.

That hospital that Ken was taken to must be rubbish, they didn't even bother to clean the blood off his face.

Are we looking forward to when Bischoff and Immortal push Abyss too far? Could we see the monster turn face?
ags_rule
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by seibu:
“I'm curious where this 400 / 500 ticket number is coming from. I would have thought that would have been pretty confidential information. Is it from a credible source or the usual anti-tna bloggers?”

It's easily verifiable by searching for the tickets online. Still ringside tickets available.
EnJayKing
17-08-2011
Good to see the millions they pay per year to Hogan,Bischoff,Angle,Sting,The Hardys,RVD,Anderson,Flair and the rest of the BIG NAMES having such a positive affect on ticket sales.

They could probably book a smaller arena at a fraction of the cost, build the whole show around the low paid X-Division guys and Knockout girls and draw the same attendance figure. Bit sad really.
LuigiRavioli
17-08-2011
[quote=Oscar_;52103324]Oh no, fall out between Robbie E and Cookie.

That hospital that Ken was taken to must be rubbish, they didn't even bother to clean the blood off his face.

Are we looking forward to when Bischoff and Immortal push Abyss too far? Could we see the monster turn face?[/QUOTE]

Could we see someone tell me what happened to his front teeth?
ags_rule
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by LuigiRavioli:
“Could we see someone tell me what happened to his front teeth? ”

RVD kicked them out on Impact a few months ago. He decided not to go for dentures or implants - at least not yet - as it adds to his character.
jamespondo
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by EnJayKing:
“Good to see the millions they pay per year to Hogan,Bischoff,Angle,Sting,The Hardys,RVD,Anderson,Flair and the rest of the BIG NAMES having such a positive affect on ticket sales.

They could probably book a smaller arena at a fraction of the cost, build the whole show around the low paid X-Division guys and Knockout girls and draw the same attendance figure. Bit sad really.”

I think both Spike TV (who are partly paying for their contracts) and TNA seriously overestimate the drawing power of Hogan, Sting and Flair in the early "tens". Or Dixie is such a mark she is simply relishing having these once household names on her roster.

Hogan and Sting definitely bump the ratings slightly when used infrequently. But pushing them so strongly is nonsensical (note: all 3 take certain stage on the BFG poster). Heavily basing your company around 3 men in their 50's and 60's, whom viewers were overexposed to in 1999, is a recipe for disaster. Similar to WCW pushing Bruno Sammartino, Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes as its posterboy(s) in '95.
KOE_9_ASH
17-08-2011
I wonder if they won't bother with Hogan vs. Sting at BFG now. I really hope it's a Sting/Angle rematch for power, and for Dixie to get this thing back.

While the stories are getting more logical, the actual wrestling and talent is taking a hit on TV. And it's basically become the Hogan Ego Inflation Reality Show.

And with Hulk's weirdness lately (seeming to be IN love with Brooke, rather than just to love her like a father) I don't want to watch him any longer.
Toffee Guy
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by KOE_9_ASH:
“While that's true, that's not the full story either.

Basically, while the decimal number has decreased, the viewership actually INCREASED to 1.4m people.”

True, but after 7 years on Spike, after adding Hogan, Flair, Sting, Kurt Angle, Hardys, Anderson, Dudleys, Steiner, RVD, Mickie James... plus the likes of Christian and Mick Foley in the past.... they're still doing the same rating and have the same size tv audience as they had without any of those high-priced names back in 2005.

No matter how much spin is put on it, to not grow your audience in that time, with the addition of all those names is frankly embarrassing and an indictment of the product that they put out there, in that it isn't connecting with the masses.

Sure, they're clearly something of a draw in the U.K., but they spend 11 and a half months of the year in the U.S.; they're a U.S. based company and business in the U.S. is their primary concern.

If Spike tv cancelled them, TNA would fold tomorrow as they rely on the tv revenue to exist. It's not like the company is profitable in any way.
AJ Wheels
17-08-2011
^ Honestly? You're really gonna float the idea that HH is in love with his daughter, Brooke?! I realise that you were probably joking around with it, but i felt a small part of it, you kind of believe

I really don't like Angle as a heel right now. He was the perfect babyface to go against Immortal and Hogan/Bischoff. It really has frustrated me. Jamespondo said rightly so- that Kurt plays a brilliant heel, and whilst i agree, i just feel now is the completely wrong time. He was just in a MASSIVE good vs evil feud with Jeff Jarrett, and now hes alligned with Hogan...WHO IS IN IMMORTAL WITH JEFF JARRETT. WTF?!

What does everyone else think on it?
wildmovieguy
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by Toffee Guy:
“True, but after 7 years on Spike, after adding Hogan, Flair, Sting, Kurt Angle, Hardys, Anderson, Dudleys, Steiner, RVD, Mickie James... plus the likes of Christian and Mick Foley in the past.... they're still doing the same rating and have the same size tv audience as they had without any of those high-priced names back in 2005.

No matter how much spin is put on it, to not grow your audience in that time, with the addition of all those names is frankly embarrassing and an indictment of the product that they put out there, in that it isn't connecting with the masses.

Sure, they're clearly something of a draw in the U.K., but they spend 11 and a half months of the year in the U.S.; they're a U.S. based company and business in the U.S. is their primary concern.

If Spike tv cancelled them, TNA would fold tomorrow as they rely on the tv revenue to exist. It's not like the company is profitable in any way.”

Well 3 weeks worth of Impact was taped so we can't really discuss any of it here. The storyline really isn't as bad as some people make out, just keep watching.

And as for your comment about the company not being profitable in any way. Can You prove that? No you can't prove that. All you do is go online, read a bunch of news sites that are 90% lies anyway and even they don't provide any sources for anything they right. All hearsay hearsay hearsay and until you can tell me otherwise it will continue to be nothing but gossip amongst wrestling fans who never had nor ever will have any clue or inside knowledge as to how the wrestling business works and who have not a clue about TNA's financial situation.

Now until you can prove me other otherwise and.....i know you can't but i feel like saying it anyway, until you can prove otherwise, comments like that mean nothing and they mean nothing to me. I can suspend my disbelief while watching wrestling 3 nights a week on TV but i don't feel like suspending my disbelief 7 days a week everytime i come online just to sit and pretend i'm in the presence of experts that know everything when infact they know nothing. I will not have my intelligence insulted like that.
DejaVoodoo
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by wildmovieguy:
“Well 3 weeks worth of Impact was taped so we can't really discuss any of it here. The storyline really isn't as bad as some people make out, just keep watching.

And as for your comment about the company not being profitable in any way. Can You prove that? No you can't prove that. All you do is go online, read a bunch of news sites that are 90% lies anyway and even they don't provide any sources for anything they right. All hearsay hearsay hearsay and until you can tell me otherwise it will continue to be nothing but gossip amongst wrestling fans who never had nor ever will have any clue or inside knowledge as to how the wrestling business works and who have not a clue about TNA's financial situation.

Now until you can prove me other otherwise and.....i know you can't but i feel like saying it anyway, until you can prove otherwise, comments like that mean nothing and they mean nothing to me. I can suspend my disbelief while watching wrestling 3 nights a week on TV but i don't feel like suspending my disbelief 7 days a week everytime i come online just to sit and pretend i'm in the presence of experts that know everything when infact they know nothing. I will not have my intelligence insulted like that.”

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
wildmovieguy
17-08-2011
Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo:
“plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ”

Please, don't worship me anymore, I am not a God, i cannot create life or make miracles happen i'm just a regular man trying to do good in the world.
AJ Wheels
17-08-2011
^ Je pense que Meltzer dit ça.
Georged123
18-08-2011
Originally Posted by jamespondo:
“I think both Spike TV (who are partly paying for their contracts) and TNA seriously overestimate the drawing power of Hogan, Sting and Flair in the early "tens". Or Dixie is such a mark she is simply relishing having these once household names on her roster.

Hogan and Sting definitely bump the ratings slightly when used infrequently. But pushing them so strongly is nonsensical (note: all 3 take certain stage on the BFG poster). Heavily basing your company around 3 men in their 50's and 60's, whom viewers were overexposed to in 1999, is a recipe for disaster. Similar to WCW pushing Bruno Sammartino, Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes as its posterboy(s) in '95.”

Simple fact is that if someone who hasnt watched wrestling for years/or hasnt watched TNA before saw a poster for a wrestling event called Bound For Glory with just Beer Money, Abyss, AJ Styles, Matt Morgan, Crimson etc on the poster they arent going to know any of those guys. Hogan, Sting and Flair are recognisable faces and names who will get people to have a second glance at the poster. I dont necessarily agree that those three guys should be the focus of the TV show every week but if you have legends like that then they will get people interested in the show not the likes of AJ or Beer Money.

Start watching because of Hogan, Sting and Flair and stay watching for the likes of AJ, Beer Money and the rest of the younger roster.

Originally Posted by Toffee Guy:
“True, but after 7 years on Spike, after adding Hogan, Flair, Sting, Kurt Angle, Hardys, Anderson, Dudleys, Steiner, RVD, Mickie James... plus the likes of Christian and Mick Foley in the past.... they're still doing the same rating and have the same size tv audience as they had without any of those high-priced names back in 2005.

No matter how much spin is put on it, to not grow your audience in that time, with the addition of all those names is frankly embarrassing and an indictment of the product that they put out there, in that it isn't connecting with the masses.

Sure, they're clearly something of a draw in the U.K., but they spend 11 and a half months of the year in the U.S.; they're a U.S. based company and business in the U.S. is their primary concern.

If Spike tv cancelled them, TNA would fold tomorrow as they rely on the tv revenue to exist. It's not like the company is profitable in any way.”

Ratings have grown since 2005. In 2005 the average ratings was a 0.8, the average for 2010 was 1.06, which was heavily surpressed by going against Raw for a number of weeks. The average rating so far this year is 1.19. That doesn't sound like no growth to me.

Its all very well saying TNA have had no growth or very little growth but the wrestling industry is not growing. WWE's ratings are declining most years and at best have been stagnant. The mass public no longer watch wrestling, you cant expect a company like TNA with limited finances to be able to dramatically increase their viewership in an industry that is in a deep lull. I accept that ratings should be rising considering the amount of legends and big names now on the show but to say ratings havent grown in 6 years and that they are "embarrasing" isn't right.
KOE_9_ASH
18-08-2011
Originally Posted by AJ Wheels:
“^ Honestly? You're really gonna float the idea that HH is in love with his daughter, Brooke?! I realise that you were probably joking around with it, but i felt a small part of it, you kind of believe.”

Have you not seen them recently? I'm very concerned for Brooke, as he seems to not know the difference between right and wrong at this moment, as it pertains to his daughter.

The whole nude shoot for Peta, the rubbing of oil on her legs and buttocks...

It's making me sick thinking about it.

Originally Posted by Toffee Guy:
“True, but after 7 years on Spike, after adding Hogan, Flair, Sting, Kurt Angle, Hardys, Anderson, Dudleys, Steiner, RVD, Mickie James... plus the likes of Christian and Mick Foley in the past.... they're still doing the same rating and have the same size tv audience as they had without any of those high-priced names back in 2005.

No matter how much spin is put on it, to not grow your audience in that time, with the addition of all those names is frankly embarrassing and an indictment of the product that they put out there, in that it isn't connecting with the masses.

Sure, they're clearly something of a draw in the U.K., but they spend 11 and a half months of the year in the U.S.; they're a U.S. based company and business in the U.S. is their primary concern.

If Spike tv cancelled them, TNA would fold tomorrow as they rely on the tv revenue to exist. It's not like the company is profitable in any way.”

I've grown to what someone said a few weeks back. Limit Sting to fewer dates, as he's a good draw on occasions, and get rid of the rest, because they don't.

Nothing is drawing in that company. I'm sure that decent matches would draw the same rating. But, it's up to Dixie. Once Sting retires, I'm done.
Oscar_
18-08-2011
Originally Posted by AJ Wheels:
“I really don't like Angle as a heel right now.....What does everyone else think on it?”

Early thoughts are that I don't like it either. The story seems daft. His explanation was that someone told him that Dixie was in some way responsible for Karen leaving him and running off with Jeff, so now he has turned against her and anyone who represents her, did I get that right ??

A good explanation for using the chair would have been that he had made it clear many times that he wanted to get his first ever clean win over Sting, but since Hogan came out and fouled up any possibility of that he decided just to use the chair himself that time, take the championship and hope to defeat Sting cleanly next time with no interference. Something like that would have been an excusable cheat which would have allowed him to stay face for now.
JCR
18-08-2011
Is Hogan a draw for a wrestling match now though? It was widely reported in the mainstream media that his back be ****ed: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...e-rebuilt.html

Be in no doubt about this, if TNA attempt Hogan/Sting, it's gonna be a car crash.

(It's possible of course that Hogan's just attempting to get a new deal out of TNA, and when he does he'll suddenly be too injured to do a match. Let's hope so.)
daclick
18-08-2011
So fan interaction has been announced, ive got normal tickets for nottingham, anyone know a rough price for fan interaction and what it actually entails? is it worth it?
KOE_9_ASH
18-08-2011
Originally Posted by daclick:
“So fan interaction has been announced, ive got normal tickets for nottingham, anyone know a rough price for fan interaction and what it actually entails? is it worth it?”

Been told from a reliable source that they'll be £25 + booking, so £30, tops.

Entails getting a programme at the beginning of a line, then walking down desk-to-desk getting a specified time with each star.

Previously, these things have been said to have been a complete travesty, with security rushing you and not allowing photos. Some stars have even been said to shun people's attempts to shake hands or get a photo by saying "no contact".

Personally, I've never been to one, but will be buying one for Manchester when they go on sale. The TNA UK Facebook page says the prices will be announced soon:

Quote:
“- A new earlier broadcast day for IMPACT WRESTLING on Challenge TV

- Details of how Welsh fans can soon watch our programming on Freeview

- Full information on how to buy Fan InterAction tickets for the 2012 MAXIMUM IMPACT Tour

- FREE UK shipping on all www.tnaeurostore.com purchases and new LOWER prices

- IMPACT WRESTLING stars coming to the UK to meet fans and media

- A comp to win a trip to Philadelphia to see Bound For Glory”

Looks like it's coming back to Saturday's too!
wildmovieguy
18-08-2011
It's not a UK tour it's an English tour.
MarkieBod83
19-08-2011
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“Simple fact is that if someone who hasnt watched wrestling for years/or hasnt watched TNA before saw a poster for a wrestling event called Bound For Glory with just Beer Money, Abyss, AJ Styles, Matt Morgan, Crimson etc on the poster they arent going to know any of those guys. Hogan, Sting and Flair are recognisable faces and names who will get people to have a second glance at the poster. I dont necessarily agree that those three guys should be the focus of the TV show every week but if you have legends like that then they will get people interested in the show not the likes of AJ or Beer Money.

Start watching because of Hogan, Sting and Flair and stay watching for the likes of AJ, Beer Money and the rest of the younger roster.
”

The problem is that those posters are NOT attracting viewers. Yes the face is recognisable, but people are obviously looking at the poster and thinking "My God, remember in 1993-1996, when 'A Flair for the Old and the Huckster' were about? And those guys are STILL at it almost 15-20 years on? No thanks."

A poster with Beer Money and AJ would be more likely to lead the punters to think "who are they - I'll check them out"


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“Ratings have grown since 2005. In 2005 the average ratings was a 0.8, the average for 2010 was 1.06, which was heavily surpressed by going against Raw for a number of weeks. The average rating so far this year is 1.19. That doesn't sound like no growth to me.”

At the start of the Monday night War in 2010 over 3 million people watched TNA. THREE MILLION. TNA Had the attention of three million people. So to say people aren't aware of TNA is wrong - people are very aware of them, but are simply not interested in Russo's booking, or the endless HH / Bischoff / Flair nonsense.
Georged123
19-08-2011
Originally Posted by MarkieBod83:
“The problem is that those posters are NOT attracting viewers. Yes the face is recognisable, but people are obviously looking at the poster and thinking "My God, remember in 1993-1996, when 'A Flair for the Old and the Huckster' were about? And those guys are STILL at it almost 15-20 years on? No thanks."

A poster with Beer Money and AJ would be more likely to lead the punters to think "who are they - I'll check them out"”

I cant see that being true. People are far more likely to check out TNA because of Hogan than AJ Styles. If you promote a film or any TV show you get the guy with the well known face or name, not the unkown up and comer.

If they watch the show and want to keep watching because of guys like Styles and Beer Money then thats understandable.

Quote:
“At the start of the Monday night War in 2010 over 3 million people watched TNA. THREE MILLION. TNA Had the attention of three million people. So to say people aren't aware of TNA is wrong - people are very aware of them, but are simply not interested in Russo's booking, or the endless HH / Bischoff / Flair nonsense.”

When did I say people arent aware of TNA? You seem to be arguing a completely different point.

Impact may have peaked at 3m during the Januray 4th show last year but you cant expect every show to stay at 3m. The Eastenders Live episode last year got 16m, the ratings recently have been around 8m. People tune in for the huge, hyped episodes/moments and wont watch again until the next time something as big happens, regardless of the quality of the episodes in between.

The fact is TNA is growing, abeit slowly. Saying Russo's booking or the amount of TV time the older guys gets are holding the company back cant be proven. There are 1.5m-1.8m viewers watching every week who seem to be enjoying the product, if TNA changed the booker or cut all the older guys then who's to say that core audience wouldnt shrink? You cant know either way.
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