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whedon247
20-10-2011
Originally Posted by KOE_9_ASH:
“Aries vs. Kendrick wasn't "flippy-floppy". Aries' finisher is a bloody brainbuster, for crying out loud.

Get with the programme, and let someone drag you into the 21st Century wrestling world.”

dont be so silly,i mean the division as a whole is just spotfests with high flying moves etc

obviously someof the wrestlers are capable of mat wrestling

as for austin aries he is one of my favs and the best roh champ ever imo

i wanna see guys like aries in interesting storylines with matches that tell a story,that dont happen in x division
jamespondo
20-10-2011
Finally watched BFG 2011. Some very bad booking in my opinion.

Aries/Kendrick, Ray/Anderson and Lynn/RVD were good matches. Hogan/Sting was a true veterans ego trip and the ending necessarily silly, but well produced and more importantly, entertaining. Reminded me of the Hogan match from WM 19 in a way.

3 way dance was boring. To get a green yet promising undefeated babyface over, you don't book him to keep defeating a beloved company veteran. The knockouts match was a mess with a welcome result. Styles/Daniels was techincally flawless but the deflating ending killed the match. Sort of like a really bad twist ending to a promising movie.

Not giving Roode the belt was the own goal of the year. The guy is over with the casuals AND the 'IWC'. Angle was hurting to the point it made the match a letdown. Sometimes a predictable, storybook in this case, ending is needed. Really the equivalent to having Bret win at WM 12 and Summerslam 1992 in dirty fashion. Why would you send the paying fans (for once) home with a screwy ending on the biggest show of the year?
AJ Wheels
20-10-2011
I rated this PPV as great. I loved the whole spectacle of Hogan/Sting and just how dramatic and zany it was, complete with the fantastic Flair. That climactic face turn from HH was amazing. Wow, the crowd just loved it.

Oh dear, Crimson wasn't well liked was he? As Jamespondo^ says- being an opponent of the almighty Joe might have affected that.

Bully Ray- Best heel in professional wrestling. Superb promos and awesome seller and bump-taker. Would love him to get world title.

Karen Jarrett- Probably the second best heel in pro wrestling, certainly in womens wrestling. Twas amazing though having the four hottest women in wrestling all in a match together. Mmm Madison is great in her role, and Velvet won which was expected yet ideal. Her entrance....

Lastly, i just love the old schoolers especially Ric Flair. He is the textbook performer. Everything he does out there in front of a crowd is brilliant from his sheer presence to his well received woo's and his in ring routine of the flopping around/the front face bump and his selling. Truly one of a kind.
Alfie2008
20-10-2011
The Hogan face turn was ridiculous.

Are we expected to believe that Hogan would turn on Immortal in an instant just because Sting asked him for help? Equally ridiculous is that Sting would ask the man he has been feuding with for months to help him in the first place.

The finish to the main event sucked too, TNA undone all the good work they did building Roode up to be a credible champion. As others have said, if Angle was carrying an injury and will need time off to recover, why keep the belt on him?
AJ Wheels
20-10-2011
Originally Posted by Alfie2008:
“The Hogan face turn was ridiculous.

Are we expected to believe that Hogan would turn on Immortal in an instant just because Sting asked him for help? Equally ridiculous is that Sting would ask the man he has been feuding with for months to help him in the first place.

The finish to the main event sucked too, TNA undone all the good work they did building Roode up to be a credible champion. As others have said, if Angle was carrying an injury and will need time off to recover, why keep the belt on him?”

The Hogan turn was completely credible. Have you not been watching this storyline the past year? Sting's whole deal was to get the 'real' Hulk Hogan back, the red and yellow bischoff-free Hogan. So it made total sense to have Sting plead to have HH help him from the evil assclowns of Immortal. And how Hogan looked at the fans, embraced his inner Hogan self and exploded into a fit of babyfaceness to aid Sting. Lol. It was fantastic theatre.
fuzzbuzz1234
20-10-2011
Originally Posted by fuzzbuzz1234:
“ I haven't watched TNA in about 16 months as it's awful...it wouldn't surprise me at all if Angle retained.”

Oh TNA, you never ever change.
Alfie2008
20-10-2011
Originally Posted by AJ Wheels:
“The Hogan turn was completely credible. Have you not been watching this storyline the past year? Sting's whole deal was to get the 'real' Hulk Hogan back, the red and yellow bischoff-free Hogan. So it made total sense to have Sting plead to have HH help him from the evil assclowns of Immortal. And how Hogan looked at the fans, embraced his inner Hogan self and exploded into a fit of babyfaceness to aid Sting. Lol. It was fantastic theatre.”

It still makes no sense to me, there was no indication that Hogan was preparing for a face turn (the fake face retirement speech on Impact was shown to be just a joke between Hogan and Bischoff in the backstage video shown the following week)

If they wanted Hogan to turn face, they should have had a slow build to it with increasing tension between Hogan and the rest of Immortal in the weeks leading up to Bound for Glory.
ags_rule
20-10-2011
Originally Posted by Alfie2008:
“It still makes no sense to me, there was no indication that Hogan was preparing for a face turn (the fake face retirement speech on Impact was shown to be just a joke between Hogan and Bischoff in the backstage video shown the following week)

If they wanted Hogan to turn face, they should have had a slow build to it with increasing tension between Hogan and the rest of Immortal in the weeks leading up to Bound for Glory.”

What, and make it obvious? Predictable booking like that is what has killed WWE since 2002.

Nah, I think it was great. He turned face for the same reason he always has - his Hulkamaniacs. Sting wanted to get Hogan back in the ring again because he knew that if he did, the crowd would make him see his true red and yellow colours.

If the crowd hadn't been fully behind Hogan - which was a major risk and possibility given the notorious Philly crowd - then it would have came off as a major failure. But because everyone in the crowd was just crying out for Hogan to beat down on Immortal and save Sting, the pop when he finally did was epic. Great piece of theatre and the PPV highlight. Shame it was deflated by the poor Roode/Angle match and it's screwjob ending.
Georged123
20-10-2011
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“What, and make it obvious? Predictable booking like that is what has killed WWE since 2002.”

Agree with that. WWE turns are often so bookmarked and obvious that when it happens, any excitement or drama from it happening has long since gone. Whwn TNA do face/heel turns they are usually pretty unexpected and dramatic. Admittidley, some make no sense and seem to have been decided just for the sake of swerving the audience but the same happened during the attitude era and they were lapped up back then.
jamespondo
21-10-2011
With the exception of the first few weeks of his 1996 heel turn, I think everything Hulk Hogan has done since 1990 has been entertainingly absurd! Hulkamania is one fun cartoon.

But I do think Mr Bollea got up to his old tricks last Sunday, making sure the night was his. Hence 'mr not ready' Bobby Roode getting screwed over the night he had to win.
whedon247
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by Alfie2008:
“Equally ridiculous is that Sting would ask the man he has been feuding with for months to help him in the first place.”

the whole reason for the fued was that sting was trying to bring back the "good" hogan, asking him to help makes perfect sense

you have obviously gone in refusing to give the storyline a chance and thus i cant really take you seriously
JasonWatkins
21-10-2011
i enjoyed BFG actually. skipped the 3-way match as i wasn't interested but actually watched the rest of it - possibly one of the best PPV's in company history IMO.

the main event ending did seem like a last minute thing really and i can't really see the logic of not putting the belt on roode if angle is going to be taking time off for his injury. it would have been the perfect 'feel good' moment to cap off their year, considering the way they built him as a legitimate challenger.

it certainly smacks of behind the scenes manouvering.

the hogan/sting match was a lot of fun - nothing unexpected considering the limitations of both men, but it certainly had me reminiscing of the days growing up watching the WWF.
Oscar_
21-10-2011
There have been other examples of big and long build-ups for the number one contender only to see him fail to take the title so it didn't surprise me really. There is still lots of scope for storyline twists and for Roode to get there sooner or later.

Personally I don't like to see the belt change hands too often. I think your champion should be exceptionally fearsome and hard to beat. Some that have held it do not seem credible to me and some don't need to have held it because they have other gimmicks which make them popular anyway.

Wasn't there supposed to be Ink Inc plus Punk Girlie versus Mexican America for the tag title or is that happening on Impact?
Alfie2008
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by Oscar_:
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Wasn't there supposed to be Ink Inc plus Punk Girlie versus Mexican America for the tag title or is that happening on Impact?”

I think that was moved to the pre show.
ags_rule
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by Oscar_:
“Personally I don't like to see the belt change hands too often. I think your champion should be exceptionally fearsome and hard to beat. Some that have held it do not seem credible to me and some don't need to have held it because they have other gimmicks which make them popular anyway.”

I agree with this. The sad thing is that Cena is almost certainly going to beat Flair's record of being a 16 time world champion, but that overlooks the fact that when Flair was at his peak, belts were more important and often held for longer periods of time. Flair once held the NWA belt for over two years! That just wouldn't happen in any company any more. The closest we've come to anything like that in modern times is probably Taker's Wrestlemania streak.
AJ Wheels
21-10-2011
Grr. Of all people to spoil a huge result of this weeks iMPACT! I wouldn't have expected it to be Jericho:

After referencing what happened on TNA this week (which aired Thurs in USA), Jericho, on Twitter replied to a fan who complained that he spoiled the show for them;

@IAmJericho
"How is that a spoiler when it already aired?"

International airings, Christopher.
It's a tough one really, because it aired in his country so he's right to talk about it, and how is he to know when every one of his followers' countries airs TNA iMPACT!

Sucks though.
Jayke1981
21-10-2011
Spoiler
in reference to Jericho's spoiler....I regularly use the wrestling news source 'dirt sheet' so, I heard about the spoiler on Tuesday. The Fact is...people go to these tv tapings and report what they see on their social networks, so of course its likely that James Storm's victory would've made the news ahead of time of broadcast...so its not Jericho's fault.

All I'm miffed at is that Bobby didn't win... However, it does now set up a Fortune dissoultion and a Beer Money Feud
ags_rule
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by Jayke1981:
“
Spoiler
in reference to Jericho's spoiler....I regularly use the wrestling news source 'dirt sheet' so, I heard about the spoiler on Tuesday. The Fact is...people go to these tv tapings and report what they see on their social networks, so of course its likely that James Storm's victory would've made the news ahead of time of broadcast...so its not Jericho's fault.

All I'm miffed at is that Bobby didn't win... However, it does now set up a Fortune dissoultion and a Beer Money Feud
”

FFS you just posted the spoiler yourself! Please edit your post, it doesn't air here until SUNDAY!
too_fast_4_u
21-10-2011
if people want full un-spolit wrestling then they should

a) dont use twitter, facebook etc
b) dont go on wrestling websites or forums

spoilers are everywere, damm u internet
Jayke1981
21-10-2011
Sorry ags.... but as too_fast_4_u says... avoid all social networks and wrestling forums. My point was...with the explosion of social networks it IS impossible to avoid spoilers unless you yourself avoids them. I don't care if I know ahead of time who wins what...I still tune in to see how it happens. Much like watching Match of The Day on a Saturday night, even though I may know the scores before hand.
too_fast_4_u
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by Jayke1981:
“Sorry ags.... but as too_fast_4_u says... avoid all social networks and wrestling forums. My point was...with the explosion of social networks it IS impossible to avoid spoilers unless you yourself avoids them. I don't care if I know ahead of time who wins what...I still tune in to see how it happens. Much like watching Match of The Day on a Saturday night, even though I may know the scores before hand.”

yep, its hard for a tv show not to get spoilt unless its live and they pull a suprise out of the hat
stillgotabox
21-10-2011
I enjoyed Bound for Glory.

I saw the Hogan face turn like this:

Bischoff hitting his own son with a chair is crossing the line, even for immortal and it was the catalyst for the babyface turn. The "help me" from Sting and the crowd chanting "Hogan" added to the turn as along with the chair shot it opened Hogan's eyes as Sting said a while ago for the 'real' Hogan to return.

The ending for the main event seemed to me that it wasn't supposed to end that way.

Also roll on Sunday. PWtorch mentioned in their report about Bruce becoming head of creative that his changes would start post BFG. The Pro Wrestling Report is hyping IMPACT WRESTLING as a "MAJOR" show. (spoiler free video but I would avoid the comments as they may contain spoilers)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3KR1yALCOw

I'm looking forward to it.
KOE_9_ASH
21-10-2011
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“dont be so silly,i mean the division as a whole is just spotfests with high flying moves etc”

Samoa Joe was a pioneer for that "division" and he did just as many high-risk moves as, say, Sting did in the 1990's! Ridiculous comment, as most wrestlers have always had an element of high-risk, particularly these days.

Quote:
“i wanna see guys like aries in interesting storylines with matches that tell a story,that dont happen in x division”

Without the X-Division, he'd be useless. A storyline not revolving around the X-Division title would just cause for him to fall off the face of TNA. I'm enjoying what he's doing right now, and he's showcasing his talent to everyone, and deservedly holds a title because of it.

Originally Posted by Alfie2008:
“It still makes no sense to me, there was no indication that Hogan was preparing for a face turn (the fake face retirement speech on Impact was shown to be just a joke between Hogan and Bischoff in the backstage video shown the following week)

If they wanted Hogan to turn face, they should have had a slow build to it with increasing tension between Hogan and the rest of Immortal in the weeks leading up to Bound for Glory.”

The whole storyline is based on the REAL Hulk Hogan being in there somewhere. With Sting on his knees, receiving a beating, that's what pulled Hogan out of Hollywood.

Incredible, if you didn't get it, because 99% of people that saw it did.

Originally Posted by jamespondo:
“
But I do think Mr Bollea got up to his old tricks last Sunday, making sure the night was his. Hence 'mr not ready' Bobby Roode getting screwed over the night he had to win.”

I can't wait to see your comments after Sunday's episode...

Impact this week has limited in-ring wrestling, Winter, and some pretty neat surprises. I'm usually the sort of guy that likes a bigger balance of wrestling than talk, but this episode was definitely worthy of following a PPV as good as BFG.
AJ Wheels
21-10-2011
iMPACT! I'm really looking forward to. I'm eager to see where they go with guys such as Crimson, Bully Ray, Jeff Hardy and Samoa Joe. Not to mention the Hogan/Stinger fallout hoping they're on the show. Maybe HH is taking some time off for the time being. And Flair, wonder if he is on. It is so refreshing when you haven't scaled the net looking for the spoilers of the shows. A friend has told me a return is happening too. Speculation is rife..
MarkieBod83
21-10-2011
Regardless of WHY Hogan decided to turn on Immortal...

You had Bischoff holding a chair, Steiner, Bully Ray, and Gunner... collectively afraid of a 50+ year old basic cripple who had just been beaten up and was bleeding heavily. And they all ran away after taking ONE punch each - presumably because that was all Hogan could throw...

Pathetic.
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