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Old 03-02-2011, 01:49
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Im sick of Eastenders charcter Kat Moon always going on about how cheap everyone thinks she is and how everyone in her past has used her. I mean is it any wonder the way she acts. She's supposed to be married and she goes around kissing men and don't tell me that she is greiving as Ronnie is also greiving for the death of her baby and you don't see her acting like a slapper. Its time Kat changed her ways and her dress sense I mean she dresses like a teenager at the age of 40 and goes around kissing men while "greiving" as thats the only way she can cope.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:58
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Welll no offence but it would be pretty boring if she shut up and dressed sensibly. I loved the character in the first place because she's a total emotional wreck. Her throwing herself at men and self destructing is the character.

Nope Ronnie never acted like a slapper, she just stole a baby
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:58
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People grieve in different ways. Kat is trying to get close to the biological father of her child as a way of getting part of Tommy back... it's a more understandable reaction than stealing another woman's child... just saying.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:59
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At least she didn't steal someone else's baby and leave her dead baby it's place But hey we're not all perfect!
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:05
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Im sick of Eastenders charcter Kat Moon always going on about how cheap everyone thinks she is and how everyone in her past has used her. I mean is it any wonder the way she acts. She's supposed to be married and she goes around kissing men and don't tell me that she is greiving as Ronnie is also greiving for the death of her baby and you don't see her acting like a slapper. Its time Kat changed her ways and her dress sense I mean she dresses like a teenager at the age of 40 and goes around kissing men while "greiving" as thats the only way she can cope.
Don't watch then! I love Kat, flaw n' all. People aren't perfect. At least she ain't a baby snatcher, kidnapping baby swapping person.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:07
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No Ronnies' not a slapper. You're right.

She's had a nervous breakdown and stole someone elses baby, that's all.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:11
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Don't watch then! I love Kat, flaw n' all. People aren't perfect. At least she ain't a baby snatcher, kidnapping baby swapping person.
Im allowed to have my opinon on one character whithout people coming up with "Don't watch then!" line if you have a problem with my views how about taking your own advice and not posting on this thread. I want peoples thoughts and to discuss it it's fine if you disagree with my view but don't advise me on what I can and can't watch.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:19
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Im allowed to have my opinon on one character whithout people coming up with "Don't watch then!" line if you have a problem with my views how about taking your own advice and not posting on this thread. I want peoples thoughts and to discuss it it's fine if you disagree with my view but don't advise me on what I can and can't watch.
To be fair though it is kind of stating the obvious, you're right Kat is cheap, she has been from day one that's what the character is, no-one's denying it, it's not really up for discussion she is a tart with a heart (she seems to have lost the heart bit this stint ) but that's the way the character has been since her arrival no-one said otherwise
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:48
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People grieve in different ways. Kat is trying to get close to the biological father of her child as a way of getting part of Tommy back... it's a more understandable reaction than stealing another woman's child... just saying.
I agree. She was really upset when she saw Tommy's birth certificate and that Alfie had put Michael down as the father instead of himself, must have really brought it home to her that they weren't really going through it together and that Tommy was actually only hers. Maybe in some way she saw it as a sign of Alfie rejecting Tommy Even though WE all know that Alfie is grieving Kat might not see it the same way and was feeling lonely in her grief so wanted to connect with someone who (she thinks) would feel the same as her and, being Kat, sex was the most obvious way?

IMO there's a bit more going on here than her just being a slapper!!! As for her dress sense (or lack of ) it's part of the character now and it would be strange if she changed.
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Old 03-02-2011, 08:53
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Im allowed to have my opinon on one character whithout people coming up with "Don't watch then!" line if you have a problem with my views how about taking your own advice and not posting on this thread. I want peoples thoughts and to discuss it it's fine if you disagree with my view but don't advise me on what I can and can't watch.
Nothing really to discuss, shes a character in a soap. You seem quite touchy, I'll post where I see fit and you can continue to hope they'll change the character for your viewing pleasure.
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:06
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Kat is looking for some kind of release from the grief that she is feeling. She wanted Michael to give it to her - she begged him for the word to describe her feelings and he couldn't give it to her. She then thought she could take it from him.

A cheap slapper she may be, but I would rather have her on my side than not.
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:07
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No Ronnies' not a slapper. You're right.

She's had a nervous breakdown and stole someone elses baby, that's all.
Lol.
I would say Ronnie is a slapper. It wasn't that long ago she slept with a gaggle of blokes in the hope of getting pregnant until it eventually worked with Owen.

The paternity of baby James is also questionable since he would've been conceived when Jack was in a coma for the dates to work out.
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:53
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How's a woman in her 40s supposed to dress? Cardigans and sensible shoes? As long as clothes cover the body parts that get pixellated on daytime TV why can't people just wear what makes them happy?
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:01
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Kat said last night what she was feeling. And when she kissed him I understood why. She wanted someone else who knew what it felt like to tell her so she could feel better. Maybe to tell Alfie so he could understand. And Kat has always been throwing herself at men because it's all she knows after what happened to her when she was only 13.

Ronnie is greiving and she is having a meltdown. She is living in fear of getting caught. She wants to give the baby back but is scared of the confrontation. She doesn;t want to give up on her dream. Thats why she could hardly look at Tommy/James. She can't act like Kat though because she knows she will end up being sectioned like Jean.
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:02
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Kat is the best part of EE at the moment, she is being written so well. She is hurting so much and doesn`t know what to do do ease the pain, nothing she tries works and really she knows that she can`t put it right. As she said to Ronnie, Alfie isn`t a talker and they have never really talked about what happened. The fact that he put Michael`s name on the certificate (although we know in reality he couldn`t have done it) to her was his rejection of Tommy and has made her feel even more alone. She felt totally alone in her grief and then Michael, Tommy`s father turned up and although she despises him she thought he would share her grief but now she is even more isolated.
I have not lost a child but Kat is playing this brilliantly. I couldn`t stand the character when she came back I thought she was a loud spiteful bitch, now she has all my sympathy.
As for Ronnie, sorry but her misery has been brought on herself and how she can watch another woman go through what Kat is and know she is the cause of it I don`t know.
She may have been out of her mind when she did the swap but she is perfectly sane now and if you just think of what she is doing and the people it is harming and all just to save her own skin. Sorry but she is beneath contempt.
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:06
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People grieve in different ways. Kat is trying to get close to the biological father of her child as a way of getting part of Tommy back... it's a more understandable reaction than stealing another woman's child... just saying.
Thanks for putting it into words
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Old 03-02-2011, 12:41
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I agree. She was really upset when she saw Tommy's birth certificate and that Alfie had put Michael down as the father instead of himself, must have really brought it home to her that they weren't really going through it together and that Tommy was actually only hers. Maybe in some way she saw it as a sign of Alfie rejecting Tommy Even though WE all know that Alfie is grieving Kat might not see it the same way and was feeling lonely in her grief so wanted to connect with someone who (she thinks) would feel the same as her and, being Kat, sex was the most obvious way?

IMO there's a bit more going on here than her just being a slapper!!! As for her dress sense (or lack of ) it's part of the character now and it would be strange if she changed.
This! We the audience have seen Alfie grieving and breaking down behind closed doors, we saw him break down when he picked up the phone to arrange the funeral, we saw him break down to the police, we've seen his face look totally pained everytime Kat's not around and tears running down his cheeks when she's not looking at him. Kat hasn't seen that. He's done such an amazing job of being strong for her that all she thinks she's seen is him laughing in the bar and him making a few jokes at her to cheer her up.
Whether she's shown it or not I think she was very insecure about whether Alfie would actually view Tommy as his, they had a conversation in the caravan in October where she said "but is he our son or is he my little mistake" I think Kat being Kat took it as confirmation he was just hers when Alfie put Michael on the birth certificate.

As for her chucking herself at Michael. That's Kat and I don't think she would be half the character she is if we hadn't watched her totally self destruct and chuck herself around the square over the years. She associates kisses/sex/flirting with affection/love and understanding. Even Alfie said to Zoe in 2004 sex is Kat's answer to everthing, things get tough or you push her and she thinks sex is the answer. Anyway I don't think she would have let anything happen with Michael anyway last night I think she just NEEDED to feel something and Jodie had said to her "everythings in a kiss" hence her going home kissing Alfie and trying to sleep with him, when she felt nothing then she turned to who she believed would be feeling the same as her. Unfortunately as we know, that person is Alfie but it looks like, being Kat, she'll have to learn that the difficult way as next week

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I don't think the characters ever been a slapper as such I just think she's an emotional train wreck and because of her childhood and her parents rejection of her all those years ago I think she has some very twisted views. This isn't exclusive to Kat, look at whitney she also seems to associate sex with affection and being wanted, look at Ronnie she's got some serious issues she needs to deal with too.
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Old 03-02-2011, 13:25
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Im sick of Eastenders charcter Kat Moon always going on about how cheap everyone thinks she is and how everyone in her past has used her. I mean is it any wonder the way she acts. She's supposed to be married and she goes around kissing men and don't tell me that she is greiving as Ronnie is also greiving for the death of her baby and you don't see her acting like a slapper. Its time Kat changed her ways and her dress sense I mean she dresses like a teenager at the age of 40 and goes around kissing men while "greiving" as thats the only way she can cope.
Good posting I absolutely despise Kat Moon she is the essense of vile imo and has ruined EastEnders bigtime since she returned with that gormless idiot husband.

Same goes for the pratt who plays her btw
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Old 03-02-2011, 13:26
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You can tell (very much, due to the writing) that she only kissed Michael because of the pain she's going through
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Old 03-02-2011, 13:36
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im so sick of watching this continuous lets twist the knife in kats back while ronnie plays happy families with a baby she stole and ronnie shits it everytime kat tries to speak to her nonsense, lets just get this swap crap finished its not enjoyable to watch kat being put through the wringer every episode.

And WHEN we do end it can we have a little bit of imagination instead of hearing the "secret" over a baby monitor, or ronnie marching across the square and leaving it on the bar, how about via the autopsy and the old bill, social services and the nutjob squad all arrving on mass in the square and arresting ronnie in full view. You know something with a bit of credibilty, just for a change.
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Old 03-02-2011, 13:49
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It was entirely obvious that Kat's behaviour with Michael was due to her grief, just as it was entirely obvious that Kat's general past behaviour was largely due to her being raped by her uncle as a child.

It's a bit worrying if you can't see that. Though to be honest it alarms me as much that being 'cheap' and a 'slapper' is seen by anyone as the worst things in the world you can be - interestingly viewing a woman who is sexualised as worse than a woman who is a baby snatcher (both actually psyschological responses to trauma) - or that women can't wear whatever clothes they choose to. Put her back in the kitchen and get those breasts covered up at once
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Old 03-02-2011, 14:05
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Good posting I absolutely despise Kat Moon she is the essense of vile imo and has ruined EastEnders bigtime since she returned with that gormless idiot husband.

Same goes for the pratt who plays her btw
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It's only a soap. And that word you were trying to spell is prat. Thats with one 't'.
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Old 03-02-2011, 14:21
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Thanks for putting it into words


I may not be the biggest Kat fan in the world but I can 100% see why she's doing what she's doing, and it's heartbreaking. She's not a 'cheap slapper', she was abused as a child which damages people for life, and now she's lost her child too - it's only natural she's going to try and turn to the biological father for comfort. Like Ronnie did when she lost Danielle.
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Old 03-02-2011, 14:38
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Dirty skank!
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Old 03-02-2011, 14:50
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I can't believe you've actually just used Ronnie Mitchell as an example of how to react when your grieving when shes jus stole somebodys baby! Also actually she did act like a slapper when she was grieving the last time she lost her child (Danielle). She slept with Jack, Ryan, Joel and Owen all extremely close together. I get that, i'm not criticising her, i totally understand why it happened.

Kat is a tart with a heart, she does have a ridiculous dress sense, a big gob, flirtatious attitude and can be down right rude at times. But shes like that due to a combination of being constantly pushed away by her closest family as a child and so to prevent herself from getting hurt she had to harden up. Sometimes when you do that long enough its hard to get out of, even when things start to go well. She kissed Michael in an act of desperation cos shes an absolute mess and wanted to get close to the biological father of her child as she feels hes the only one who knows what shes feeling. Kat has problems with talking to people about feelings and emotions and doesn't often let people in at all in that sense, however she craves closeness. Therefore to get the closeness without the emotional dependency she turns to sex. I'm not saying its right but the girls messed up and thats all that makes sense. Like she said earlier in that episode "sometimes all you have left if your body".
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