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Wish it was encrypted FTP, but the sad fact is that on the HD and HDR T2 all video, both SD and HD, is encrypted as it's being recorded.
![]() SD files later copied from the hard disk to USB are decrypted on the fly as they are transferred. So the FTP server is actually bog standard. we're going backwards, are they really restricted to do that by the Freeview agreement - surely not, since there are lots of other recorders that store SD unencrypted and allow it to be transferred off.Sounds like we're stuck with home-brew firmware or DIY entertainment centres until an enterprising chinese manufacturer comes out with something for us.I was hoping Youview would be the answer, however it too is driven by the TV broadcasters so seems to be little hope that it will be the open platform that we need. |
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we're going backwards, are they really restricted to do that by the Freeview agreement - surely not, since there are lots of other recorders that store SD unencrypted and allow it to be transferred off."7.4 Nevertheless, whilst not a formal condition of our granting of a licence amendment, we welcome the commitment that the BBC has made to ensure that application of content management by broadcasters is consistent with copyright legislation. These include: [...] • That content management is not [sic] be applied to broadcast SD content" http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin.../statement.pdf So while keeping SD in the clear is not a formal condition on the broadcasters it is seen as desirable by Ofcom. Whether as a deliberate exploitation of this loophole or not, some manufacturers seem to be to encrypting SD pretty quickly anyway! Quote:
Sounds like we're stuck with home-brew firmware or DIY entertainment centres until an enterprising chinese manufacturer comes out with something for us.I was hoping Youview would be the answer, however it too is driven by the TV broadcasters so seems to be little hope that it will be the open platform that we need.
"6.24 In relation to “fully open” implementations of HD DTT receivers using open source software, we recognise that such implementations may not fulfil the BBC’s licensing terms for the Huffman Code look-up tables. As a result, receivers based on open source codes are likely to require a proportion of proprietary software or hardware which would ensure the BBC’s licensing requirements are met. Whilst this restriction may result in some consumer detriment in terms of innovation in the open source community, given the very low adoption of receivers based on fully open source software compared to those based on proprietary technologies, we are of the view that the detriment will be small and outweighed by the benefits." So, to consumer detriment, that's the end of open source, encryption-free solutions. But... "6.6 One receiver provider suggested that manufacturers who produced receivers that were not reliant on the broadcast EPG data stream (for instance those that retrieved EPG data via a broadband connection) may choose not to implement content management even if the BBC’s proposed licence amendment were granted. This manufacturer claimed that this could distort the market in their favour if consumers were attracted to such products." and "6.14 In relation to receivers that are not reliant on the broadcast EPG data (and the concerns that such receivers may choose not to include content management) – we do not expect the market for such receivers to be significant for the foreseeable future compared to the market for products that are able to operate without a broadband connection. It is reasonable to assume that consumers generally expect their television receivers to work without an active broadband connection, particularly for integrated digital TVs. We therefore do not expect that the availability of receivers which do not contain content management technology, but require a broadband connection, will significantly impact the market for set top box and integrated digital TV receivers that only require a DTT feed to operate. " Now there's a clear opening for said enterprising niche manufacturer. How insignificant it will end up being remains to be seen, especially when some DRM systems seem more or less to insist on a broadband connection (e.g. ps3 firmware updates). The future may happen more quickly than Ofcom foresees. |
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Now there's a clear opening for said enterprising niche manufacturer. How insignificant it will end up being remains to be seen, especially when some DRM systems seem more or less to insist on a broadband connection (e.g. ps3 firmware updates). The future may happen more quickly than Ofcom foresees. |
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Hi All
I need some help, please. I am trying to set my Humax Foxsat HDR to work with Raydon's RAR archive to become a "fully functioning media and file server. BUT I am stuck. I have updated the .hdf file on the box, but that is as far as I have got. Under software installation: it says copy the setup folders to /mnt/hd4/opt .In words of one syllable, HOW DO I DO THAT? I have tried using Filezilla to transfer to the HDR, but I dont think I am doing it right. I used TELNET.ORG as the host - HUMAXFTP as the username and /OPT/FTP/0000 as the password. I seem to get a connection (not sure if it's the right one) but there is no sign of a remote server to transfer the file to. If anybody can explain the procedure in easy stages to this novice I would be grateful Many thanks Robert |
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I used TELNET.ORG as the host - HUMAXFTP as the username and /OPT/FTP/0000 as the password. I seem to get a connection (not sure if it's the right one) but there is no sign of a remote server to transfer the file to.
HumaxFTP is the username 0000 is the password and port number 21. then click the quick connect button. |
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Thanks for that, GC
I can now see the setup files are installed on the HDR. Now it says "Using Telnet enter the following sequence of commands" Where do I do that? Thanks |
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Thanks for that, GC
I can now see the setup files are installed on the HDR. Now it says "Using Telnet enter the following sequence of commands" Where do I do that? Thanks http://www.avforums.com/forums/frees...ies-guide.html Basically you need to use a telnet program, most windows PCs have a command called "telnet" as in the guide above, my windows 7 PC doensn't seem to, I use a free program called "putty" instead. These programs let you type instructions to the HDR operating system, in much same way as typing DOS commands on a PC (if you ever did that). |
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Basically you need to use a telnet program, most windows PCs have a command called "telnet" as in the guide above, my windows 7 PC doensn't seem to, I use a free program called "putty" instead. These programs let you type instructions to the HDR operating system, in much same way as typing DOS commands on a PC (if you ever did that).
This post may be relevant to Win 7 users http://www.avforums.com/forums/14114853-post88.html |
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Thanks
I found the command prompt and changed to the telnet dir. I put the humax IP address in like MrMarky shows, but it comes up "invalid command" Any ideas? |
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I found the command prompt and changed to the telnet dir. I put the humax IP address in like MrMarky shows, but it comes up "invalid command" Any ideas? eg Quote:
telnet 192.168.0.4
* using your boxes IP address |
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Thanks once again.
I did it with Putty. Everything is jerky though. Is this the internet download speed that is causing the problem? |
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Thanks once again.
I did it with Putty. Everything is jerky though. Is this the internet download speed that is causing the problem? internet speeds won't have any bearing on the playback over your network. |
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Yes, I am watching HDR files on the PC, but it's very jerky.
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Yes, I am watching HDR files on the PC, but it's very jerky.
- What program are you using to watch the recordings ? - What is the PC spec (CPU speed) ? - How are the PC and HDR connected (ethernet to same router ? or is there wifi involved) - Are you watching using a mapped drive ? - Are the recordings standard def ? I didn't get wifi to work too well. |
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Thanks Swedish cook
I am using VLC player I was attempting to watch an old Norman Wisdom film that I had recorded just after he died, so it's in B/W and not HD. Processor speed is 2.6ghz 2gig ram. The HDR is connected to my o2 router by ethernet cable and then transmitted by WIFI to the PC (30ft). Sorry, I dont know what a mapped drive is. I make my own .m2ts films and have no problem watching them on the PC. What should I be doing, if anything, with twonky and samba. I dont fully understand this bit Thanks again |
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Thanks Swedish cook
I am using VLC player My best advise would be to get yourself a copy of XBMC and install it on your PC. It runs an absolute dream even on my netbook. Quote:
What should I be doing, if anything, with twonky and samba. I dont fully understand this bit If you use the XBMC as suggested you can open up a network route that directs the player to the video folder on the humax, this is where samba comes in as it enables this routing by making it visible across the home network.Thanks again just to add, I too have the humax wired and my PC/netbook wireless. I'm sure this is not a disadvantage over a totaly wired setup |
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Thank you GC
I downloaded XBMC, but I cant make it find the HDR. At the risk of sounding a real thicko. could you give me some idea how to do that. I can usually fathom my way through software, but I cant get this to work. Any help appreciated |
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Any help appreciated click ok for the next 3 screens. you should now see a list with humax in. click once and the directory will open with all your recordings. Click the .. button to move back through directory. |
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I did all that as far as "root video" then there were no options for "folder"
I managed to load an item from "mydocs" and that worked, so I think the program is not seeing the HDR directories. Maybe there is something I am not doing. Thanks |
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I did all that as far as "root video" then there were no options for "folder"
folders should be there if you've made series linked recordings, if all your recordings on the humax are just one offs then you would only have the allvideos option I believe |
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There are no folders at all, just "OK" and "cancel". I can see the folders in "my networks" though. So they are there.
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ok try the above method and go as far as rootvideo and then click ok to confirm as above this should still create a directory path but it just won't drill down as far as it ideally should. Once this is done try the path and see if it will then let you advance further down it.
I'm not holding out much hope but it wouldn't hurt to try. If it doesn't work then you can delete the source route by right clicking on it |
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No, nothing at all. I must be missing something basic in the setup.
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you could try configuring twonkymedia
type http://192.168.0.4:9000/config into your web broswer.. note colon before 9000 * use your own humax web address. click on sharing under contentdir: make sure the tick boxes are selected You should see /media/Video /media/Music /media/Photo in their relevent text boxes under scantime type 10 and then at the top of the page click rescandirs. Then click save changes now return to XBMC and see if you can progress further than rootvideo good luck
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Thanks again for all your help.
I can now see the directories and download files, but it keeps buffer loading. Am I correct in believing that this is down to my equipment? |
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we're going backwards, are they really restricted to do that by the Freeview agreement - surely not, since there are lots of other recorders that store SD unencrypted and allow it to be transferred off.