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anyone feel like its the curse of VEGAS WEEK?
5 years ago - John Barrowman Today - Jennifer Metcalfe |
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I get your point (who hasn't by now?
)But people are getting annoyed that the actual skating has clearly become a peripheral part of the show to many of the voters. It is slightly irritating that so many of the contestants that are poor are there week after week - it's ok when it's just a single John Sargeant or Ann Widdicome but the voters who are voting for other reasons than the skating are a great many this time and are out-numbering the competent skaters. However, I don't vote so I can't complain! Why should anyone feel they have a right to opinionate on how I spend my hard earned cash? |
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I'll be very surprised if a less than adequate skater progresses much further. My annoyance is with those who question the viewer's right to cast their vote, whatever the criteria.
Why should anyone feel they have a right to opinionate on how I spend my hard earned cash? |
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I'll be very surprised if a less than adequate skater progresses much further. My annoyance is with those who question the viewer's right to cast their vote, whatever the criteria.
Why should anyone feel they have a right to opinionate on how I spend my hard earned cash? |
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Actually no, she didn't attract enough votes. Lots of people are fans but don't have the money to waste on TV competition voting.
Sadly, it means the public as a whole has to watch what those who can afford to vote want to watch. Those who have the money are once again more "important". |
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The public need to realize that these competitions should not be base on popularity
X Factor is a singing competition Strictly Come Dancing is a dancing competition Dancing on Ice is a skating competition. They aren't. They are Saturday/Sunday night entertainment shows. The aim of the programme is to get as many viewers as possible. The way to do that is create press interest. If you haven't read www.sofabet.com go and have a look. Their recent review of this year's X-Factor was spot on. In the early rounds the producers need to keep people talking about the show. Tomorrow they'll be talking about Karen and Jason's little scrap and the fact that one of the good skaters is out after a shock bottom 2. It is probable that Jen wouldn't have won, so in the great scheme of things she is an easy loss for the show. She is creating more publicity gone than still there. Those who have a possibility of winning will be protected but the others are all "fair game." The discussions of poor skaters staying in and good ones going is what keeps the show going. Look at XF, SCD and DOI in the same way and see how they all follow the same pattern. |
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Actually no, she didn't attract enough votes. Lots of people are fans but don't have the money to waste on TV competition voting.
Sadly, it means the public as a whole has to watch what those who can afford to vote want to watch. Those who have the money are once again more "important". I'm sorry she has left but this was the 2nd skate off she was in and she clearly didn't have the support. |
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I'll be very surprised if a less than adequate skater progresses much further. My annoyance is with those who question the viewer's right to cast their vote, whatever the criteria.
No one, so far as I can tell. Can you show us even one post where someone questioned their right to cast their vote however they want? Quote:
Why should anyone feel they have a right to opinionate on how I spend my hard earned cash?
Because that's how freedom of expression rights work. We can have an opinion on that. Why not? What's supposed to mean we don't have that right?
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Many people seem to believe that:
X Factor is a singing competition Strictly Come Dancing is a dancing competition Dancing on Ice is a skating competition. They aren't. They are Saturday/Sunday night entertainment shows. The aim of the programme is to get as many viewers as possible. The way to do that is create press interest. Quote:
... Are you saying or implying that the producers contrive to get one of the good skaters out after a shock bottom 2? (A conspiracy theory.)In the early rounds the producers need to keep people talking about the show. Tomorrow they'll be talking about Karen and Jason's little scrap and the fact that one of the good skaters is out after a shock bottom 2. Quote:
It is probable that Jen wouldn't have won, so in the great scheme of things she is an easy loss for the show.
Where did the odd idea come from that it doesn't matter when someone goes, if they weren't going to win??? It has somehow become popular on forums (some kind of meme, I guess), but it doesn't make much sense.We watch weeks and weeks of this stuff. It would be good to have the better people in even if they don't win. |
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Veri, did you have a look at Sofabet?
If you read their review of the last series you can change the names to those from DOI and it all makes sense.At this stage the producers are mainly concerned about viewing figures. Publicity of this sort creates more viewers. |
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Many people seem to believe that:
X Factor is a singing competition Strictly Come Dancing is a dancing competition Dancing on Ice is a skating competition. They aren't. They are Saturday/Sunday night entertainment shows. SCD and DOI however it IS a popularity contest and people have no right to criticize who people vote for. Its why the 'competition' is for people who are already 'celebrities' to begin with (granted - in some cases the term 'celebrity' could be translated very loosely.) I mean - it isn't as if Sam (when he wins) is going to give up acting and represent the UK at Ice-Skating but he isn't is he? For one - on DOI he may look like a racehorse in a field full of grazing Shetland Ponies - but he isn't good enough to take up skating professionally. Are Ray Quinn, Chris Fountain, Kieron Bracken, Hayley (forgotten her surname) representing the UK in the Winter Olympics? I don't think so. They may be continuing with it for fun (and some of them advising on this show) but they're not competitive skaters. I detest Kerry Katona as much as anyone else and she is by far the worst skater there - but if people vote for her - she has every right to be in there. It isn't her fault nor is it Comedy Dave's or Johnson's that people are rooting for them. |
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I can.
It's a popularity contest for one and then add the anti Jason vote (every negative comment about a 'celeb' brings in votes for them). |
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DOI is an ice skating competition but primarily in the first few rounds it is a popularity contest.
We have this every year. Contestants need to connect with the viewers to make them pick up the phone & vote. |
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Out of the bottom 2, who actually scored more points?
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it's fairly obvious that Johnson, with all his problems left from his injuries, was always going to be struggling against the people able to pick up the skating and routines quicker than he can.
However, it was fairly obvious and he was still asked to do the programme anyway so the producers must have had it down as a possiblity he would stay over some who would be classed as better skaters and something they just shrugged about! Is he as good as the 'top' skaters - of course not - but he is doing his best and trying and his own level has increased tremendously. He is a true gentleman who is trying his hardest to both learn and perform and if people want to acknowledge that with a vote then is it really such a bad thing? |
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Quite disappointed actually
. They were both quite good, so now we have to watch more tribe instead of quality![]() Racist
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Out of the bottom 2, who actually scored more points?
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They are not just any old Saturday/Sunday night entertainment shows, however. It's not just a bizarre coincidence that contestants sing on XF, dance on SCD, and skate on DOI.
As far as SCD and DOI go, for the most part, the contestants go on not out of a deep seated desire to learn to dance or ice skate on prime time tele, but because it's what their agent managed to get them on. They could have just as easilly pitched up on Celebrity Masterchef or in the jungle (and actually often have as well). |
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Neither should have been bottom 2....but here we go again the better go before the worst
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I don't see why Johnson's taking so much flak (no pun intended). While the catastophic Katona and "Comedy" Dave remain in the competition, I think he deserves a place. He started off as the worst skater, he has injuries that make learning to skate more difficult, and yet he is better than them. When he is the weakest skater, I'll be happy to see him leave.
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disgusted at the bottom 2...so glad Rob stayed but feel sorry for Jen and her supporters.
Katona and Welch are utterly hopeless and are being kept in by Dan and Matts fans...Johnson is a total charisma free vacuum,god alone knows who the hell is keeping him in..i quite like Dave so ill reserve opinion on him staying in..but im very very angry at last nights debacle,its making a total mockery of the show. this. ![]() ![]()
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disgusted at the bottom 2...so glad Rob stayed but feel sorry for Jen and her supporters.
Katona and Welch are utterly hopeless and are being kept in by Dan and Matts fans...Johnson is a total charisma free vacuum,god alone knows who the hell is keeping him in..i quite like Dave so ill reserve opinion on him staying in..but im very very angry at last nights debacle,its making a total mockery of the show. this. ![]() ![]() ![]() and think that given his starting ability point he has improved more. If he skated from now till Christmas he still wouldn't be able to reach the level of week one Sam but that doesn't mean that his personal improvement should be disregarded. He is genuinely learing a new skill - in fact more than one new skill - which is what I thought the show was about especially in the early weeks - not just glossing up an already good performer?
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I prefer Johnson to ComedyDave, though,
and think that given his starting ability point he has improved more. If he skated from now till Christmas he still wouldn't be able to reach the level of week one Sam but that doesn't mean that his personal improvement should be disregarded. He is genuinely learing a new skill - in fact more than one new skill - which is what I thought the show was about especially in the early weeks - not just glossing up an already good performer?war hero-tick improved-somewhat-so tick but hes the visual equivalent of flicking through a Damart catalogue...the above do not give him the right to stay in over and above vastly superior performers...at least Comedy Dave has some charisma about him.having said that i dont blame Johnson himself...i blame the people who kept him KK and DW in...an absolute travesty. |
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nice guy-tick
war hero-tick improved-somewhat-so tick but hes the visual equivalent of flicking through a Damart catalogue...the above do not give him the right to stay in over and above vastly superior performers...at least Comedy Dave has some charisma about him.having said that i dont blame Johnson himself...i blame the people who kept him KK and DW in...an absolute travesty. ) so ... that's the public vote in action!
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Comedy Dave and Kerry it should've been surely!
![]() Really not happy with this turning into another popularity contest. Dave plugs it every day on the radio and Kerry is using the sympathy card. Vote for the skating prowess, use your brains because even the most unintelligent of the population can see that Katona should have gone. |
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and think that given his starting ability point he has improved more. If he skated from now till Christmas he still wouldn't be able to reach the level of week one Sam but that doesn't mean that his personal improvement should be disregarded. He is genuinely learing a new skill - in fact more than one new skill - which is what I thought the show was about especially in the early weeks - not just glossing up an already good performer?
