I think despite my POV it might be best if EE took two weeks off, it would be unique and would give it the chance to build to an awesome cliff hanger, something it doesnt often get the chance to do, outside of Christmas.

I wouldnt be happy, but I think it maybe the right decesion

Is Outcasts worse than Bonekickers? I haven't had the pleasure seeing Outcasts yet!!

Sorry to ask again, but anyone know?

The Bedlam rating hasn't been reported anywhere. Hopefully I'll be able to get the rating and post it after 5pm though.

Many thanks.

Hi RZT - how ya doin' mate? Bedlam averaged 327,000 and a share of 1.8%.

Hi Gooneress, not bad thanks . Looks like Bedlam held up pretty well, down just 32k (-9%) compared to last week's opener.

Thanks Gooneress. Do you know what the +1 was?

Sorry - I don't have that figure. Maybe RZT can get...

Not ridiculous at all on this thread. There's plenty of people on this forum and this thread who are enjoying the fact the BBC's new expensive drama is flopping. When you follow this thread for a while you reliase what others like in terms of shows and channels. Robbie is the most obvious in his bias but just because others are less obivous with their bias doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Im glad people are biased and prefer different shows/channels, it makes for some good debate when it doesnt go too far.

A textbook case, there, of someone "who doth protest too much"...

Yeah, but the people who are "enjoying that BBC's new expensive drama is flopping" are on the whole people who watched it and didn't think it was any good. It's not really people who want Outcasts to flop simply for airing on the BBC, I don't think, which is what I think Robbie was trying to suggest with his "ITVistas" comments. Of course, I never said there's no bias (as I said that in my previous post people have preferences) but not in the way and extent that Robbie's suggesting.


Yep, should be able to get it after 5pm .

its of better quality, and more interesting, but its just dull to watch.

Radio Times has this list of Channel 4's most watched programmes ever:

1. Woman of Substance - 13.9m (January 1985)
2. Four Weddings and a Funeral - 12.4m (November 1995)
3. Gregory's Girl - 10.8m (January 1985)
4. Big Brother: season three final - 10m (July 2002)
5. Friends: final episode - 9.6m (May 2004)
6. Big Fat Gypsy Weddings - 9.3m (February 2011)
7. Nuns on the Run - 9.2m (April 1993)
8. Celebrity Big Brother - 8.8m (January 2007)
9. Dark Night of the Scarecrow - 8.3m (May 1985)
10. International Snooker - 8.3m (December 1984)

Source: Radio Times

Interesting how big movie premieres were back then, even on Channel 4. Nowadays 8m is probably the limit for a movie premiere (Harry Potter/Pirates of the Carribean). Also does anyone know what snooker tournament that could've been? Last week's BFGW rating (inc. +1) could move into 4th place in the all time list once the finals are reported.

Speaking of BFGW, I'd echo what Dancc said on the RPG, that it's likely to set a record for a +1 channel tonight, what with competition from the Brits.

BBC1 could put in a repeat of New Tricks at 9 pm and they would probably get 5-6 million. Outcasts is clearly turning into a huge turkey.

Snooker on Channel 4? Really?

If RT is going to aggregate the ratings for no 6, then I dare say there would be other entries on that list for other shows that had within the week repeat showings over the past 29 years....

Bonekickers had the 'Plan Nine' factor in that it was cheesily bad and so amusing to watch.

Outcasts is trying too hard to be serioius drama and so ends up just being boring.

As Sci Fi it attempts not to be Sci Fi to avoid alienating (sic!) the mainstream audience - so it shuns anything too out there that might actually help the tedium a bit but is still hard to believe (we will be lucky to reach Mars by 2040 let alone an undiscovered planet light years away).

As mainstream drama it struggles because it has not visually set up why these people are here so the audience has no sense of their isolation or much reason to root for them - and in truth they might as well just have moved en masse to Lanzarote escaping a plague rather than an alien planet escaping (um, whatever it is they are supposed to have escaped).

I doubt most of those in the list were repeated again within 7 days as they're stuff like snooker, Big Brother and movie premieres (which usually don't have 2nd airings within 7 days). But if they were to do what you suggest, they'd probably then have to aggregate the other repeat ratings within 7 days for BFGW too (such as the Thursday night repeat). But let's not go into that debate !

Talking of Radio Times I note that even for next week (issue out today) - and so well after the widespread pre announced EPG changes - they are still listing most of the pay HD channels with the wrong numbers.

Rather sloppy.

Those Audience Appreciation figures add to the rising viewing figures as people cottoned on that this was a new second series. This programme really is gem.

All the more surprising that there has been no word on a series 3 as yet as they announced series 2 at the end of series 1 but said nothing this time round.

Even if they have no ideas for a UK based series 3 (though they could go to the islands and Ireland etc) they could extend the series to Europe I imagine.

As the figures show this is too good not to bring back and Michael Portillo clearly has a future on other shows as his natural talent improved as both series progressed and there was near universal praise on the thread about the series in this forum.

I was thinking of the stuff that isn't in that list, but which would have been had they included repeat showings like they have done for BFGW. Things like Brookside, when at its peak.

One opens a can of worms when one starts aggregating first and repeat showings....

Sorry to quote myself but wanted to clarify.

Having looked more carefully the numbers are right most days, mostly wrong on one day, partly wrong on other days and on some there is no specific reference to the HD channels at all (though the SD numbers are the HD numbers in most cases).

So not as bad as it appeared at first, but still a mess and needlessly misleading to viewers.

I guess Sky's mass change of numbers has to share the blame for the confusion.

ITV has recommissioned Whitechapel, according to this interview with Rupert Penry-Jones. Last year's series of Whitechapel officially averaged 6.5m, which was 25% down from the previous series, but still a good average for a drama.

Just seen this tweet friom one of Bedlam's writers.

Good news.

Whilst the 2nd series wasn't much cop, I was thrilled to see it getting 6.5m viewers a week.

(See, I can be happy for ITV when they get good ratings)