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Old 09-02-2011, 10:05
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here's stuffz that I gotz

Emmers - 6.85m stupid clash with EE
EE - 6.72m see above
HO - 1.08m
Neighbours - 1.18m
HAA - 808k

Holby - 6.13m
Taggart - 3.03m
Outcasts - 3.32m
Gypsy - 7.48m (easily won 9pm slot)
CSI - 1.88m
Shameless - 2.64m
TV Ruined - 1.04m
CFOTW - 1.74m
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:08
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Poor start for Lion Country. It's been plugged quite a lot by ITV in the last week and had a direct lead-in from Emmerdale, so I was expecting something in the mid 3's at least. Doesn't bode well for Countrywise's move to Tuesdays 8pm because Lion Country was getting 3/4m+ in similar slots to what Countrywise has been holding in the past so Countrywise could experience a similar fall when it moves there.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:10
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Outcasts dropped to 3.3m (13%).
Ouch....thats awful.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:10
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Poor start for Lion Country. It's been plugged quite a lot by ITV in the last week and had a direct lead-in from Emmerdale, so I was expecting something in the mid 3's at least. Doesn't bode well for Countrywise's move to Tuesdays 8pm because Lion Country was getting 3/4m+ in similar slots to what Countrywise has been holding in the past so Countrywise could experience a similar fall when it moves there.
Thats true. I think its going after the same audience as Holby but the BBC seem to have that audience locked up on Tuesdays.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:15
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Ouch....thats awful.
+1 REALLY awful! I'm not surprised though
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:16
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Outcasts - 3.32m
Gypsy - 7.48m (easily won 9pm slot)
Wow.

My advice to the Beeb, leave Outcasts on Tuesdays to die and switch to putting Silk on Mondays.

Emmers - 6.85m stupid clash with EE
EE - 6.72m see above
Holby - 6.13m
Great figure for Holby City considering its lead-in and lead-out were much lower than recent weeks. That's the closest Holby has come to Eastenders in a long time. During the regular Tuesday soap clashes back in 2009 Holby was actually outrating Eastenders some weeks.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:30
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I don't really care either way, but the fact remains that Ch4 were ALWAYS shown with +1 seperately, now that ITV have a +1 channel the ratings are being bundled together, with a myriad of explanations and excuses for this change in how the ratings are shown. It just seems like a blatant way to bloat ITV1s ratings. If Channel 4s had always been bundled together it would never have been an issue.
The +1s for the overnights have been mentioned separately consistently throughout ever since ITV1+1 launched - where exactly are they "being bundled together"? But for the consolidated figures, even way before ITV1+1 had launched, bundling the +1s had been going on for a few years already. I suggest you look at the Big Brother Ratings Threads going as far back as 2008 to see for yourself...

You might not have noticed on this thread because C4 officials were rarely ever posted on here (official ratings usually posted on here tend to be BBC1 or ITV1 programmes as they're usually higher ratings). But certainly, bundling in the +1s for the consolidated figures isn't something which has just started recently, it's been going on since 2007/2008. I mean, here's an article talking about consolidated ratings in the Guardian from as far back as 2007 and they've bundled in the +1s if you scroll down to the C4 list.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:32
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I'm not surprised that Gypsy Weddings hit a series high as there was no Silent Witness this week. BBC1 might want to keep Outcasts just on Mondays...and maybe think again about axing Waking The Dead!
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:33
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From Channel 4 Sales (inc +1)

18.00 - The Simpsons - 1.92m
18.30 - Hollyoaks - 1.16m
20.00 - Gok - 2.24
21.00 - Big Fat Gypsy Weddings - 8.18m
22.00 - Shameless - 2.85m
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:37
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From Channel 4 Sales (inc +1)

18.00 - The Simpsons - 1.92m
18.30 - Hollyoaks - 1.16m
20.00 - Gok - 2.24
21.00 - Big Fat Gypsy Weddings - 8.18m
22.00 - Shameless - 2.85m
My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding averaged 8.2m but PEAKED at 9.1m!!
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:37
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Channel 4(Inc. +1)
The Simpsons: 1.92m
Hollyoaks: 1.16m
Gok's Clothes Roadshow: 2.24m
Big Fat Gypsy Wedding: 8.2m
Shameless: 2.9m

E4+1 (Inc. +1)
Shameless: 560k

Film4(Inc+1)
Die Hard 4.0: 650k
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:44
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here's stuffz that I gotz

Emmers - 6.85m stupid clash with EE
EE - 6.72m see above
HO - 1.08m
Neighbours - 1.18m
HAA - 808k

Holby - 6.13m
Taggart - 3.03m
Outcasts - 3.32m
Gypsy - 7.48m (easily won 9pm slot)
CSI - 1.88m
Shameless - 2.64m
TV Ruined - 1.04m
CFOTW - 1.74m
BBC1 should bring back survivors which never went that low.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:47
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My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding averaged 8.2m but PEAKED at 9.1m!!
Pretty clear you can see what the Great British Public are interested in...reality TV where you get to laugh at the strange (to them) people.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:52
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The other point being that +1 viewing is no different to PVR viewing within the same day.
Rubbish.

It is so not "no different".

If I watch something I've PVR'd it's because I have made a conscious decision to record it to watch later; something I would have watched live had I been able to. I maintain that the majority of +1 viewing is casual "by chance" catching of a repeat showing on another channel. Yes, of course people may increasingly start to treat +1s as "broadcast PVRs" but you cannot just lump them together on that pretext.

Also, if I watch live and then on my PVR, I only get counted once. If I watch again on a +1, I get counted twice.

Wow.

My advice to the Beeb, leave Outcasts on Tuesdays to die and switch to putting Silk on Mondays.
Preferably Tuesdays at 10.35pm.

I gave up on it after last night's. Dismal and preposterous. I appreciate it was commissioned by a BBC1 boss who has left, but surely the current one would have realised this wasn't suitable for the plum slot it currently (for now at least) occupies.

My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding averaged 8.2m but PEAKED at 9.1m!!
"Twin Peaks", presumably?



here's stuffz that I gotz

Gypsy - 7.48m (easily won 9pm slot)

Shameless - 2.64m
I appreciate Shameless's figure is by no means dire, but with 7.5m watching BFGW last night before it, and presumably both shows attracting a very similar working class/underclass audience, I'd have expected better retention for Shameless.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:53
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Pretty clear you can see what the Great British Public are interested in...reality TV where you get to laugh at the strange (to them) people.
Freakshow TV for an increasingly freakshow nation.

Charlie Brooker for PM...
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:08
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The +1s for the overnights have been mentioned separately consistently throughout ever since ITV1+1 launched - where exactly are they "being bundled together"? But for the consolidated figures, even way before ITV1+1 had launched, bundling the +1s had been going on for a few years already. I suggest you look at the Big Brother Ratings Threads going as far back as 2008 to see for yourself...

You might not have noticed on this thread because C4 officials were rarely ever posted on here (official ratings usually posted on here tend to be BBC1 or ITV1 programmes as they're usually higher ratings). But certainly, bundling in the +1s for the consolidated figures isn't something which has just started recently, it's been going on since 2007/2008. I mean, here's an article talking about consolidated ratings in the Guardian from as far back as 2007 and they've bundled in the +1s if you scroll down to the C4 list.
Sorry rzt I thought you were talking about overnights, thanks for the explanation and apologies for commenting when I was unsure of the context!
When they post the top progs of the year for channel 4 on this thread they show +1 seperately but that's just here for , elsewhere so consolidated figures include +1 so? I genuinely did not know that, thanks for clearing it up.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:10
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Freakshow TV for an increasingly freakshow nation.

Charlie Brooker for PM...
Channel 4 has turned into the freashow channel - Gypsies, Embarassing Bodies, and Beauty and the Beast, Alas ITV still holds the crown for the biggest freakshow of them all Britains Got no Talent,
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:14
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Pretty clear you can see what the Great British Public are interested in...reality TV where you get to laugh at the strange (to them) people.
Surely it shows the opposite?

The vast majority stay away from CH4s array of weirdos and generally exploitative trash-telly.


I would say the UK population as a whole have good taste.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:16
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Surely it shows the opposite?

The vast majority stay away from CH4s array of weirdos and generally exploitative trash-telly.


I would say the UK population as a whole have good taste.
Ok..,I'll refine to 'the TV watching public'
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:20
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Rubbish.

It is so not "no different".

If I watch something I've PVR'd it's because I have made a conscious decision to record it to watch later; something I would have watched live had I been able to. I maintain that the majority of +1 viewing is casual "by chance" catching of a repeat showing on another channel. Yes, of course people may increasingly start to treat +1s as "broadcast PVRs" but you cannot just lump them together on that pretext.
Robbie - why haven't you replied to my post on the previous page? Just wondering...

You do realise though that with C4+1 and ITV1+1 in place, it's actually helping out boost the ratings for BBC1 shows too. A simple example from the last week: yesterday Big Fat Gypsy Weddings had 0.7m on C4+1 while last week it was 1.0m when the 9pm airing was against Silent Witness. So I think it's fair to say that there were about 0.3m (or close to that) Silent Witness viewers who may well have watched BFGW last week at 9pm had the C4+1 service not been available and that would've meant Silent Witness could have rated 0.3m lower than it actually did last week if C4+1 wasn't in place.

So obviously, you don't mind that BBC1 (and some other channels which don't offer timeshift services) are benefitting from the +1 services that other channels are offering. It's certainly not gonna do BBC1's ratings any harm, is it? So in terms of fairness, don't you think +1 should at least be considered? And of course it's not just about fairness, but there's numerous other reasons too why bundling could be done (as you may have read on this thread previously). Actually I can probably guess what your answer to that would be anyway, such is your view on the topic! But it's something worth thinking about...
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:34
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Robbie - why haven't you replied to my post on the previous page? Just wondering...

You do realise though that with C4+1 and ITV1+1 in place, it's actually helping out boost the ratings for BBC1 shows too. A simple example from the last week: yesterday Big Fat Gypsy Weddings had 0.7m on C4+1 while last week it was 1.0m when the 9pm airing was against Silent Witness. So I think it's fair to say that there were about 0.3m (or close to that) Silent Witness viewers who may well have watched BFGW last week at 9pm had the C4+1 service not been available and that would've meant Silent Witness could have rated 0.3m lower than it actually did last week if C4+1 wasn't in place.

So obviously, you don't mind that BBC1 (and some other channels which don't offer timeshift services) are benefitting from the +1 services that other channels are offering. It's certainly not gonna do BBC1's ratings any harm, is it? So in terms of fairness, don't you think +1 should at least be considered? And of course it's not just about fairness, but there's numerous other reasons too why bundling could be done (as you may have read on this thread previously). Actually I know what your answer to that probably would be anyway, considering how biased you are! But it's something worth thinking about...
I have no problem with +1 channels and considering what their ratings are, and making whatever extrapolations we want to make from them - just like you have quite legitimately and reasonably done re Silent Witness.

But I take exception to reporting as a matter of record that "8.2m watched BFGW on Channel 4 last night", because that patently isn't true; saying "8.2m watched BFGW last night" is a grey area - but it's certainly misleading and arguably untrue.

I have no problem, particularly, with saying "a total of 8.2m watched BFGW on Channel 4 and Channel 4+1 last night". Because that is true; there may be some double-counting but anyone reading that statement should be alive to that possibility from how it is worded.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:34
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Rubbish.

It is so not "no different".

If I watch something I've PVR'd it's because I have made a conscious decision to record it to watch later; something I would have watched live had I been able to. I maintain that the majority of +1 viewing is casual "by chance" catching of a repeat showing on another channel. Yes, of course people may increasingly start to treat +1s as "broadcast PVRs" but you cannot just lump them together on that pretext.

Also, if I watch live and then on my PVR, I only get counted once. If I watch again on a +1, I get counted twice.

You really have an obsession with ITV1+1. Funny how C4+1 didnt get you nearly as excited.
You can equally make a "conscious decision" to watch it on +1 but if +1 was not available you would have PVR'd it.

Thats lawyers for you.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:39
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This Gypsy Wedding business is a ratings phenomenon. I don't get it.

Taggart should be put out to pasture, and unsurprisingly that's some rate of decline for Outcasts.

I think Biggest Loser may well come out on top next Monday.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:40
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I find that I use +1 channels quite a lot now as so many things I want to watch clash so I can't always PVR or Sky + at the same time.

This Thursday for example I'm watching Mad Dogs at 9pm, Sky Plussed Not Going Out, then watching Marchlands at 10pm on ITV +1.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:55
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Absolutely brilliant for Gypsy Weddings. Outcasts is doomed, nearly beaten by Taggart.
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