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The Ratings Thread (Part 17)
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D.M.N.
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Outcasts is replaced by Crimewatch on Monday 28th February.”

Considering Crimewatch would have had to been on that week (and considering I've never seen it on Fridays), that move for Outcasts sounds suspiciously planned, ie. they knew it was going to flop and planned accordingly.
Charnham
16-02-2011
How come The Big Bang Theory & How I Met Your Mother have been replaced by Glory Daze on E4?
Jonwo
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Considering Crimewatch would have had to been on that week (and considering I've never seen it on Fridays), that move for Outcasts sounds suspiciously planned, ie. they knew it was going to flop and planned accordingly.”

Have they shown this month's edition of Crimewatch? If not then I agree it looks like they were going to displace Outcasts.
rzt
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Considering Crimewatch would have had to been on that week (and considering I've never seen it on Fridays), that move for Outcasts sounds suspiciously planned, ie. they knew it was going to flop and planned accordingly.”

Yeah it seems so. The alternative would've been to have Crimewatch on Thursday and begin the Comic Relief documentary the following week. But we heard about the Comic Relief documentary yesterday so it seems like they made the decision to move Outcasts even before today's ratings were out.
Jonwo
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“How come The Big Bang Theory & How I Met Your Mother have been replaced by Glory Daze on E4?”

I'm guessing they're resting them as they would have caught up with the US, I would have thought Glory Daze would be after Glee. It doesn't look great though.
Charnham
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“I'm guessing they're resting them as they would have caught up with the US, I would have thought Glory Daze would be after Glee. It doesn't look great though.”

which isnt the case

TBBT has been in repeats for ages on E4, it stopped at episode 12, and CBS will be on episode 17.

HIMYM, E4 stops on episode 10, CBS would be on episode 18.

E4 is just annonying me and im sure other loyal fans of both shows now, if they return to lower ratings, they get exactly what they deserve.
Pizzatheaction
16-02-2011
I suppose Crimewatch (even with all its current shortcomings) is more of a public service than Outcasts.

Didn't watch the British Record Industry Awards, but apparently they were awful again. Why are most other awards ceremonies reasonably polished, but the record industry bashes always so poor?
GeorgeS
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I suppose Crimewatch (even with all its current shortcomings) is more of a public service than Outcasts.
”

apparently PSB is whatever is most popular. Roll on all female topless darts for the Monday night 9pm slot
Andy23
16-02-2011
The BBC are now on very dodgy ground, they are now officially chasing ratings by moving Outcasts to a graveyard slot.

The new controller's idea of showing more Panorama specials looks doubtful now. I could see them shunting Panorama out of prime time at this rate.
Pizzatheaction
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“apparently PSB is whatever is most popular. Roll on all female topless darts for the Monday night 9pm slot ”

Well, I'd watch that!

Score
16-02-2011
Very interesting that Cohen has pulled Outcasts. It's been a long time since something (especially a drama) was pulled mid-run from the 9pm slot (even The Prisoner lasted the full run) so it feels strange for BBC1 to go back to it. Ultimately though I think it's the right decision as 2.6m is simply unacceptable for a 9pm drama on BBC1 (or indeed ITV1). If I was Danny Cohen I'd have done the same (and if I was Fincham I'd have pulled Taggart too, although saved them for a non-Tuesday 9pm slot at a later date). Sundays at 10:25pm seems OK although I'd have switched it with the news so it could have had the South Riding lead-in.

Having Crimewatch there does indeed suggest that they may have expected this and planned ahead, or maybe it was originally due for Thursday but they moved it and brought the Comic Relief documentary forward as rzt suggested (that may originally have been set to run on Thursday and Friday the following week).

On a different note, does anyone with Digiguide know the timings for ITV's primetime schedule on Saturday 26th February? Thanks.
Newcastle
16-02-2011
Just proves (for those in any doubt) that BBC1 is all about viewing figures...if it doesn't rate well then bye bye - no matter how much it's cost. They remind me of an American commercial broadcaster.
Jonwo
16-02-2011
Are awards shows like The Brits, BAFTAs on long term contracts with the BBC and ITV. I think the television BAFTAs alternated between the BBC and ITV but have remained on BBC One for a few years now. Aside from the BCA, I don't think the smaller terrestrials have tried to bid for the big award shows.
GeorgeS
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The new controller's idea of showing more Panorama specials looks doubtful now. I could see them shunting Panorama out of prime time at this rate.”

Not if they are all exposes of the dodgy practices in the female topless darts sport..,
Charnham
16-02-2011
19:00 - TV Burp
19:30 - Ant & Dec
20:45 - Take me Out
22:00 - Tomorrow Never Dies
Jonwo
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The new controller's idea of showing more Panorama specials looks doubtful now. I could see them shunting Panorama out of prime time at this rate.”

Would moving Panorama out of primetime be a bad thing? Aside from a few specials, I think the BBC should do what ITV with Tonight and move it to 7.30pm. The 8.30pm slot could be used for a comedy like Miranda.
Bushmills
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The BBC are now on very dodgy ground, they are now officially chasing ratings by moving Outcasts to a graveyard slot.

The new controller's idea of showing more Panorama specials looks doubtful now. I could see them shunting Panorama out of prime time at this rate.”

Who'd miss the Panorama 'specials' in reality? The programme has been given 6 - 8 hour-long 9pm slots each year but it can't come up with big enough stories to fill them.

The last one they did was about mental health problems among British troops returning from Afghanistan. Seriously...even though that topic's been well covered on other current affairs series like Dispatches and Tonight. How many people want to watch it all over again at 9pm? The BBC One schedulers must have wanted to slit their wrists. No wonder they decided to burn it off against an England football match on ITV.
Score
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“19:00 - TV Burp
19:30 - Ant & Dec
20:45 - Take me Out
22:00 - Tomorrow Never Dies”

Thanks.

So ITV not taking advantage of BBC1 having teatime rugby like they did this week. Not good scheduling.
Bushmills
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Newcastle:
“Just proves (for those in any doubt) that BBC1 is all about viewing figures...if it doesn't rate well then bye bye - no matter how much it's cost. They remind me of an American commercial broadcaster.”

Interesting theory. How does 'Modern Masters' fit into it?
Pizzatheaction
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Would moving Panorama out of primetime be a bad thing? Aside from a few specials, I think the BBC should do what ITV with Tonight and move it to 7.30pm. The 8.30pm slot could be used for a comedy like Miranda.”

I'm old enough to remember Panorama and ITV's World in Action being on at the same time. Although, World in Action had the decency to be twenty minutes shorter.
Score
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“Interesting theory. How does 'Modern Masters' fit into it?”

Exactly. Whilst BBC1 was the wrong place for that programme, it was good to see them try it in that sort of slot. I think there's a big difference between that situation and the Outcasts one though. Modern Masters was an arty farty PSB programme and despite it having next to no viewers, there would have been uproar from the likes of The Daily Mail if it had been pulled as it was a public service programme, whilst there is nothing public service at all about a shit (general consensus) sci-fi drama losing viewers every episode and stinking up the schedules for a number of weeks.
Newcastle
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“Interesting theory. How does 'Modern Masters' fit into it?”

That scores political points so it's the equivalent of a commercial broadcaster keeping their advertisers happy. I see what you're saying though - 4 episodes of that/4 episodes of this - yes I agree, that must be the absolute cut off point for something that isn't doing great numbers.
grahamzxy
16-02-2011
bbc not rating chasing, bbc1 is the flagship channel and deserves programmes that capture the viewers attention.

A 10% audience share may be good enough for some itv1 shows but not bbc1 - when 90% of viewers prefer not to watch in primetime, the programme ought be moved to an easier timeslot. The fans can still watch and more viewers will be happier with the replacement hopefully.
Georged123
16-02-2011
Good move by the Beeb to replace Outcasts with Crimewatch, If they had put Traffic Cops or a New Tricks repeat in that slot then it would look obvious they were chasing ratings. Putting a show which is pretty much the definition of public service broadcast will stop some criticism.
Jonwo
16-02-2011
Originally Posted by Score:
“Exactly. Whilst BBC1 was the wrong place for that programme, it was good to see them try it in that sort of slot. I think there's a big difference between that situation and the Outcasts one though. Modern Masters was an arty farty PSB programme and despite it having next to no viewers, there would have been uproar from the likes of The Daily Mail if it had been pulled as it was a public service programme, whilst there is nothing public service at all about a shit (general consensus) sci-fi drama losing viewers every episode and stinking up the schedules for a number of weeks.”

Modern Masters was very good but it didn't belong on BBC One and luckily was only four episodes. Ive read that they have another arts series with Alastair Sooke. It's strange that history and nature do well on BBC One but not art.
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