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Capital FM Network (Part 2)
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p_c_u_k
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“Most areas don't have CHR stations. I notice you're from Scotland, where there's Capital and no Heart, so you may be unaware of the fact that in England, the Capital network is pretty much the extent of CHR radio and that's not in every area. All the other CHR stations are re-branded as Heart, a station common as muck in England but may be unfamiliar to the Scots.

As for music TV channels and other outlets to hear the hits, it all depends if most young people can be arsed to use them or if they just put up with wha thteir local Heart palys.

I'm not sure about Scotland, but in England when I've been to karaokes, the amount of younger people who choose what you describe as 'housewife classics' such as Young Hearts Run Free hugely outweighs the amount that choose to sing current stuff, believe me. And that's probably why there's 'less of a generation gap' as you put it.

No, you can't judge exactly what radio station someone listens to from their karaoke choices, but they do represent the type of music they're into. Karaokes seem to indicate most young people prefer oldies to chart hits, and if someone prefers oldies then chances are they aren't listeing to Capital.”

I possibly mis-spoke a bit there. What I meant was that the majority of the population has a CHR option. I suspect that is the case, taking into account that London, central Scotland, Birmingham, Yorkshire etc certainly do. I am aware we are lucky with radio choice in central Scotland though and that not all areas are the same. In Aberdeen I had the choice of Northsound 1 or some other stations which, when you listened to them in the urban Granite City, felt like they were being beamed in from the wild west. Fair to say you wouldn't have been a fan.

With regards to the karaoke argument, is that not young people just selecting different songs for different occasions? If they were in nightclubs they're going to dance to a lot of current stuff as it's a lot more bouncy (showing my age here) and sexual. Whereas in karaoke you generally want to sing a song you've heard a million times before, know how it goes and one which the audience (of mixed ages) will sing along to and carry you through. Given the increasingly complex structure of modern songs, that ain't as easy as picking a Beatles song.

I'd love to see the roles reversed for a night though, just for a laugh.
Radio 123
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by p_c_u_k:
“I'd love to see the roles reversed for a night though, just for a laugh.”

Well to some extent the roles would be reversed if nightclubs ever became Heart, playing old club classics.

Also, when I sing karaoke it must look as though the roles are reversed, as I usually sing Party Rock Anthem, Black & Yellow, Buzzin' etc.
nobjockey
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“Well to some extent the roles would be reversed if nightclubs ever became Heart, playing old club classics.”

... and maybe we'd all be talking in East end accents if Yate's Wine Lodges are re branded to BBC 1 showing East Enders on all the tvs in there, it's as ludicrous as your fantasy of Heart nighclubs.
Mapperley Ridge
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
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Most areas don't have CHR stations. I notice you're from Scotland, where there's Capital and no Heart, so you may be unaware of the fact that in England, the Capital network is pretty much the extent of CHR radio and that's not in every area. All the other CHR stations are re-branded as Heart, a station common as muck in England but may be unfamiliar to the Scots.”

Yes they do. They have Radio 1.

Heart pretty much only covers the southern part of England. You appear to have missed out the whole of Bauer, all of UTV, Qidem and smaller groups operating all over the place.

Now, please - not for the first time - stop peddling this myth that there is no CHR beyond Capital.
Radio 123
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge:
“Yes they do. They have Radio 1.

Heart pretty much only covers the southern part of England. You appear to have missed out the whole of Bauer, all of UTV, Qidem and smaller groups operating all over the place.

Now, please - not for the first time - stop peddling this myth that there is no CHR beyond Capital.”

As I said earlier, Radio 1 isn't really CHR, as it plays a lot of lesser known stuff as well as Top 40 stuff.

What stations do Bauer, UTV and Quidem own??? I might check them out to see how CHR they are.

I haven't heard another UK station with a simalar format to Capital, closest I've heard is Kiss but even they're not meant to be CHR as such, more Dance/R&B.
Mapperley Ridge
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“As I said earlier, Radio 1 isn't really CHR, as it plays a lot of lesser known stuff as well as Top 40 stuff.

What stations do Bauer, UTV and Quidem own??? I might check them out to see how CHR they are.

I haven't heard another UK station with a simalar format to Capital, closest I've heard is Kiss but even they're not meant to be CHR as such, more Dance/R&B.”

With the greatest of respect, do your homework. Radio 1 plays plenty of contemprary hits through teh daytime and concentrates on the lesser known stuff at night.

You're just plain wrong to say that the UK isn't well served by CHR.
georgemiller89
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by teh:
“Cue georgemiller89 who was actually there for evidence.”

Where was I? I haven't been paying attention to this thread for a while.
Radio 123
06-07-2011
Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge:
“With the greatest of respect, do your homework. Radio 1 plays plenty of contemprary hits through teh daytime and concentrates on the lesser known stuff at night.

You're just plain wrong to say that the UK isn't well served by CHR.”

Out of Radio 1's Top 40 most played tracks (Compare My Radio) there are 13 songs I have not heard of. I guess that implies that the majority of their output is mainstream.

However Radio 1's 'variety gauge' is 24% while Capital's is only 3%. This means if you listened to Radio 1 for say, an hour a day, you probably still wouldn't be familiar with a lot of the hits. However if you listened to Capital for an hour a day, you would.

Also, seeing as I'm talking about whether young people and teenagers still know all the hits despite their area not having a CHR station, well 13-17 year olds are at school on most weekdays so would miss a lot of Radio 1's mainstream output.
Bluedabadee
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“Out of Radio 1's Top 40 most played tracks (Compare My Radio) there are 13 songs I have not heard of. I guess that implies that the majority of their output is mainstream.

However Radio 1's 'variety gauge' is 24% while Capital's is only 3%. This means if you listened to Radio 1 for say, an hour a day, you probably still wouldn't be familiar with a lot of the hits. However if you listened to Capital for an hour a day, you would.

Also, seeing as I'm talking about whether young people and teenagers still know all the hits despite their area not having a CHR station, well 13-17 year olds are at school on most weekdays so would miss a lot of Radio 1's mainstream output.”

Most 13-17 year olds now have smartphones (iPhone / BlackBerry) with radio apps on them, phones with FM radio, access to a computer with the internet in school etc. so I think a small portion of "that" audience will be aware of Radio 1's mainstream output.. and let's not forget some will probably listen back to the likes of Fearne Cotton on iPlayer too.
Radio 123
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Bluedabadee:
“Most 13-17 year olds now have smartphones (iPhone / BlackBerry) with radio apps on them, phones with FM radio, access to a computer with the internet in school etc. so I think a small portion of "that" audience will be aware of Radio 1's mainstream output.. and let's not forget some will probably listen back to the likes of Fearne Cotton on iPlayer too.”

Yes, a small portion. That's the point!!! I don't think the majority of under 25s (or over 25s for that matter) have been fully in touch with the charts since the UKs lack of proper CHR stations, some may go out of their way, watch music channels, listen to R1 on their iPhone at school etc. but the vast majority will only know what their local station is playing and if their local station ignores a lot of the chart hits then they just won't know those hits.

When I've been to karaokes, and people (supposedly) in the target audience of R1, Capital and Kiss have sung, they very rarely (if ever) sing chart music and always just sing really old stuff. Hardly indicative that the majority of youths are going out of their way listening to current music, watching music TV etc as many say on here. If most of them were that keen on keeping with chart music, surely that's what they'd be singing on karaoke???

I also hosted a disco & karaoke party in Derbyshire, which has a local Capital station, and the young people there sung current songs (Rihanna and Katy Perry). They never sing that type of stuff where I live, which doesn't have a CHR station unless you count overspill from Capital London. Now what does that go to show??????
Mapperley Ridge
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“I also hosted a disco & karaoke party in Derbyshire, which has a local Capital station, and the young people there sung current songs (Rihanna and Katy Perry). They never sing that type of stuff where I live, which doesn't have a CHR station unless you count overspill from Capital London. Now what does that go to show??????”

Where was this in Derbyshire? Because when you described it you implied it was all fields and flat caps. Now if that's the case - and you really were in rural Derbyshire - reception of Capital East Midlands might well have been sporadic, if not non existent.

So what does that do to show?
Bluedabadee
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“Yes, a small portion. That's the point!!! I don't think the majority of under 25s (or over 25s for that matter) have been fully in touch with the charts since the UKs lack of proper CHR stations, some may go out of their way, watch music channels, listen to R1 on their iPhone at school etc. but the vast majority will only know what their local station is playing and if their local station ignores a lot of the chart hits then they just won't know those hits.

When I've been to karaokes, and people (supposedly) in the target audience of R1, Capital and Kiss have sung, they very rarely (if ever) sing chart music and always just sing really old stuff. Hardly indicative that the majority of youths are going out of their way listening to current music, watching music TV etc as many say on here. If most of them were that keen on keeping with chart music, surely that's what they'd be singing on karaoke???

I also hosted a disco & karaoke party in Derbyshire, which has a local Capital station, and the young people there sung current songs (Rihanna and Katy Perry). They never sing that type of stuff where I live, which doesn't have a CHR station unless you count overspill from Capital London. Now what does that go to show??????”

You've got to stop with this karaoke nonsense. Karaoke is karaoke, I'm 20 and I could sing 'The Time Of My Life' but why should that be judged by Radio 123 as "they don't know what the current hits are".

Just because in the area you live doesn't have a CHR station (which it does really, BBC Radio 1 - and stop saying it isn't) doesn't mean that the "Under 25s" do not know anything about chart music. What you're not realising is, what people sing at karaoke isn't reflective of what music they do / don't know. In Ipswich which is down in Suffolk (I'm in Norfolk) there is a night club called Groove which plays "old" music. I've been there loads and enjoy singing to the oldies but does that mean I know sod all and don't listen to chart music?

You're off your head mate.
Black Label
07-07-2011
Choice on karaoke is not usually up to date though, is it?
hanssolo
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Black Label:
“Choice on karaoke is not usually up to date though, is it?”

The latest hits now come out quite quickly on CDG
http://www.karaokeemporium.co.uk/aca...ly_charts.html
If heard over the radio or say MTV, the tune can be picked up to sing along to much easier!
Ian_22
07-07-2011
OK can we now drop this karaoke business and get the thread back on track with, like how the news service is still NOT improving.....
Radio 123
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Bluedabadee:
“You've got to stop with this karaoke nonsense. Karaoke is karaoke, I'm 20 and I could sing 'The Time Of My Life' but why should that be judged by Radio 123 as "they don't know what the current hits are".”

Depends whether it's the Bill Medley/Jennifer Warnes version or the Black Eyed Peas version!
hanssolo
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Ian_22:
“OK can we now drop this karaoke business and get the thread back on track with, like how the news service is still NOT improving.....”

What more do you want!
They do regular news bulletins as in the public file, if you want indepth news you would not choose Capital.

Anyone replied to the Birmingham and Scottish consultations?
Bingethink
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by hanssolo:
“What more do you want!
They do regular news bulletins as in the public file, if you want indepth news you would not choose Capital.”

They are still not fulfilling their obligations as set out in the localness guidelines.
Radio 123
07-07-2011
And are Capital operating within the licence that the Birmingham station should play reggae??? I don't think they are, as can be seen here:

http://comparemyradio.com/artists/Bob_Marley
http://comparemyradio.com/artists/UB40
http://comparemyradio.com/artists/Eddy_Grant
http://comparemyradio.com/artists/Aswad

Mind you I wouldn't personally want to hear those artist on Capital and they would sound out of place, but the licence requrement says they should play reggae.

Also, why do Capital still play Tinie Tempah - Pass Out as much as they do??? It came out in March 2010, we're now in July 2011 so isn't it about time they took it off the playlist, or at least reduced the rotation???
hanssolo
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“And are Capital operating within the licence that the Birmingham station should play reggae??? I don't think they are”

Capital are saying they don't need to as other stations such as Choice, BBC R1xtra and community stations cover the type of music they don't want to!.
Radio 123
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by hanssolo:
“Capital are saying they don't need to as other stations such as Choice, BBC R1xtra and community stations cover the type of music they don't want to!.”

Not seen a Bob Marley, Eddy Grant, UB40 or Aswad on Choice, I did see Eddy had 1 play on 1Xtra but that doesn't count for much....I think reggae is out of place on those stations too!!!
hanssolo
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Bingethink:
“They are still not fulfilling their obligations as set out in the localness guidelines.”

They should have local news daytime weekdays and mornings only weekends, then national news only other times, are they not doing this?
Bluedabadee
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“Depends whether it's the Bill Medley/Jennifer Warnes version or the Black Eyed Peas version! ”

The original, the Peas version was shockingly bad
Radio 123
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Bluedabadee:
“The original, the Peas version was shockingly bad”

See, young people don't listen to Black Eyed Peas, but they do listen to the 80s cheese. You've just gone to show what I was saying. In an area with no CHR station they probably wouldn't even know the BEP version exists.
hanssolo
07-07-2011
Originally Posted by Radio 123:
“Not seen a Bob Marley, Eddy Grant, UB40 or Aswad on Choice, I did see Eddy had 1 play on 1Xtra but that doesn't count for much....I think reggae is out of place on those stations too!!!”

Ideally Ofcom should make Global setup a dedicated Reggae station or play more reggae on Choice, but they probably won't!
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