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I'd have guessed Friday night's audience would consist of commuters heading back to the regions for the weekend (ever seen the motorways on a Friday night?).
Commuters are notorious channel surfers - they've nothing better to do than hit the zap button. They can't dance 'n drive, so aren't going to sit through your average dance remix ruined by 7mins of tedious drums. |
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i cant believe the negativity on here regarding dance shows and decent remixes
![]() so if friday and saturday evenings are not right for these shows, then YOU tell me when is?? if its done right, a weekend dance show will work well, ie, decent presenter, quality output and interaction from artists / producers / well known club jocks. one well known commercial station has FOUR consecutive shows on a saturday.............it works well! |
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I'm not against dance music at all, quite the opposite. But like most, I'm just not fond of long-winded remixes and specialist stuff.
There are tens of thoasands of internet stations already playing dance genres, no point competing with them at the expense of the regular audience. ALL specialist shows are a turn-off for radio When particular songs are popular with the mainstream they'll get played anyway (you'd hope). Ghettos simply aren't good for business. |
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I have always thought it odd that stations put out dance music shows at times when the people who most liked dance music would presumably be out dancing to dance music in nightclubs.
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so if friday and saturday evenings are not right for these shows, then YOU tell me when is??
Moreover, as has been pointed out in other threads, dance music isn't even particularly popular at the moment. Sure, genre boundaries have become blurred and its influence can be felt strongly in today's R'n'B and pop, but there's very little real dance music charting or testing well. So why on earth would you dedicate as much as 16 hours of output to it? |
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Sure, genre boundaries have become blurred and its influence can be felt strongly in today's R'n'B and pop, but there's very little real dance music charting or testing well. So why on earth would you dedicate as much as 16 hours of output to it?
News? Leave it to the BBC. Dance Music? Leave it to the BBC. Guitar music? Leave it to be BBC. Electronica? Leave it to the BBC, All commercial radio is interested in is being a glorified MP3 player for continuous trashy pseudo US style urban pap, and endless old records. What a pathetic rump it has been reduced to. |
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I think dance/specialist shows sounded right on Galaxy, especially as Galaxy was serving that audience, it was a "dance and rnb" station until Global bought it.
Especially when the "Galaxy Weekend" in-brand came from the late 90s, that was the era of the Superclubs/Human Traffic etc., Galaxy was mainly a northern brand, manchester/yorkshire had huge club scenes and everyone was at Gatecrasher, Hacienda etc every weekend, ibiza was big news - clubland/mix cds were all over the charts, it was the golden era of commercial dance in the UK. I remember hearing Galaxy "in the mix" with Boy George at midday on Saturday lunch time and then right through til 6am next morning, it was House/trance mixed all weekend. Sadly those days are over now, the superclubs are now closing/closed and just do events, Galaxy is gone, and Capital is a top 40 station. Capital has more in common with Key 103 than Galaxy/Kiss 102, so it wouldn't make sense for them to go specialist dance on weekends these days, they still do Andy Durrant just as a hang-over from the old Kiss 102/Galaxy licence of the 90s because they have to, it sounds very out of place though. And I imagine it'll go as soon as Ofcom let them. |
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I have always thought it odd that stations put out dance music shows at times when the people who most liked dance music would presumably be out dancing to dance music in nightclubs.
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I think dance/specialist shows sounded right on Galaxy, especially as Galaxy was serving that audience, it was a "dance and rnb" station until Global bought it.
Especially when the "Galaxy Weekend" in-brand came from the late 90s, that was the era of the Superclubs/Human Traffic etc., Galaxy was mainly a northern brand, manchester/yorkshire had huge club scenes and everyone was at Gatecrasher, Hacienda etc every weekend, ibiza was big news - clubland/mix cds were all over the charts, it was the golden era of commercial dance in the UK. I remember hearing Galaxy "in the mix" with Boy George at midday on Saturday lunch time and then right through til 6am next morning, it was House/trance mixed all weekend. Sadly those days are over now, the superclubs are now closing/closed and just do events, Galaxy is gone, and Capital is a top 40 station. Capital has more in common with Key 103 than Galaxy/Kiss 102, so it wouldn't make sense for them to go specialist dance on weekends these days, they still do Andy Durrant just as a hang-over from the old Kiss 102/Galaxy licence of the 90s because they have to, it sounds very out of place though. And I imagine it'll go as soon as Ofcom let them. That's why (as someone pointed out in this thread, I think) emap/Bauer have always struggled to make Kiss pay, and Radio 1 justifies its existence by superserving 15-24's. Quote:
Because it provides diversity and people might hear it and like it
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Bang on. And if they're not, they probably don't want to hear it that badly anyway. Same goes for Club Classics.
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Actually, i think Club Classics makes more sense. That's for people who used to go out clubbing every weekend, but now don't have the money/free-time/youth to do so.
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Actually, i think Club Classics makes more sense. That's for people who used to go out clubbing every weekend, but now don't have the money/free-time/youth to do so.
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Fantastic - Someone phoned up Dave and wanted a Cher song, Dave wasn't having any of it and put them through to tone.
![]() Surely a genuine listener to Capital would realise that they are not going to play Cher, when the rest of the output consists of back to back modern hits....
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You assume everyone is like us and knows exactly what every single radio station plays. And in areas where Capital has replaced a heritage station, or even in the capital itself where the audience may have grown older with the station, where people are just tuning in by habit, that's a more difficult message to get across.
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I know one or two on here are insiders on Capital, are there many on six month contracts after the rebrand and if so I'm guessing these will be up in June?
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Just got London's breakfast promo on South Coast lol.
I think that's the first time I've heard such an error. |
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Capital's desperate attempt to appear showbiz central by making out celebs are randomly "dropping in" for things like cabs, and left behind lip gloss is really cringey. Listeners will surely see through this.
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I would love you to have a go at running this diverse and educational commercial radio station you yearn for, Trev. I'd give it three months before it went bust.
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Hmmm. How many listeners does R1 have again?
You commercial boys have tunnel vision coupled with an almighty blind spot. I think Radio 1 is a great station but to try and do it commercially means that someone has to fund it and then make their money and some extra back. Us commercial bods have not got tunnel vision we just live in the real commercial world. we don't get money given to us and have to spend it otherwise we won't get the same amount next year. We have to make money in order to stay on the air and doing what Radio 1 does would be too expensive. There aren't many markets where Radio 1 is leading the pack anyway. |
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Hmmmm How much does Radio 1 cost to run again?? Where does it get its money from again??
I think Radio 1 is a great station but to try and do it commercially means that someone has to fund it and then make their money and some extra back. Us commercial bods have not got tunnel vision we just live in the real commercial world. we don't get money given to us and have to spend it otherwise we won't get the same amount next year. We have to make money in order to stay on the air and doing what Radio 1 does would be too expensive. There aren't many markets where Radio 1 is leading the pack anyway. What is it that costs so much at Radio 1, other than presenter salaries? The vast majority is music and waffle. |
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OK then...Radio 2. What's the combined share of Radios 1 + 2 in most markets? Both playing a far, far wider range of music than any commercial.
What is it that costs so much at Radio 1, other than presenter salaries? The vast majority is music and waffle. |
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I would imagine at least 3 staff permanently assigned to each daytime show rather than one on commercial radio. Far more layers of management. Healthy expense accounts. Generally way better presenter salaries than in the commercial sector (London and major market breakfast jocks being the exception perhaps).
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OK then...Radio 2. What's the combined share of Radios 1 + 2 in most markets? Both playing a far, far wider range of music than any commercial.
What is it that costs so much at Radio 1, other than presenter salaries? The vast majority is music and waffle. Capital beats Radio 1 in some of its areas, Radio 1 beats Capital in others - looking at the Capital TSAs - they're quite similar sized radio stations. I'd imagine the Capital network spends less than 10% of what Radio 1 spends on content. |
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All of which has absolutely no relevance to the music they play.
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