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-Sid-
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by dwiseman:
“Jeff is so much better.. disgrace he didnt get straight through”

Jeff was marginally better but his routine was littered with errors and he's not the most exciting performer.

We can't expect the public vote to automatically mirror the judge's table otherwise there'd be little point in it.
missfrankiecat
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Your suggesting he should get special treatment because of who he is. I'm sure he wouldn't expect to be treated any different to anyone else, Kerry got booed last week. Did you complain then?”

There is a difference though, isn't there? She is lazy, whines about how poorly she is treated and has done nothing to be applauded in her life. He has fought for his country, suffered a catastrophic head injury which affects his coordination and still works to overcome it.
ianswaiting
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by mutleygold:
“It was an absolute disgrace that Johnson got booed; I suggest that those responsible are frogmarched out & put on a plane to Afghanistan.
I'm utterly ashamed.”

Did he get booed? I didn't notice. However, I do feel that there is an oversensitivity towards Johnson. I don't think anyone disrespects him as a soldier but this isn't a commando assault course, it is an ice dancing competition so he, and the other celebs, should be given a level playing field.
BlueStreak
20-02-2011
Nobody should get booed regardless of who they are. They go out there do their best and that's all they can do.

No need for booing at all.

However, regardless of who they are or what they have done in the past I think it should be the skating ability of each individual that gets them through each week. Nothing more, nothing less.

The better skater should take the crown at the end.



ianswaiting
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“There is a difference though, isn't there? She is lazy, whines about how poorly she is treated and has done nothing to be applauded in her life. He has fought for his country, suffered a catastrophic head injury which affects his coordination and still works to overcome it.”

Yes, he has done all those things, but why should be get special treatment in this just because of them. You might as well say that he should be allowed to win automatically because none of the others have fought for their country.
syl
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I hope the booing isn't going to become a regular feature of the show - it spoils the atmosphere.

Johnson wasn't much worse than Jeff so it wasn't some sort of travesty.

I thought the incident said more about Jeff's fans in the audience. Not very gracious.”

I think however much we respect the man there is no way he is anywhere near Jeff's standard.
tsutsu
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Your suggesting he should get special treatment because of who he is. I'm sure he wouldn't expect to be treated any different to anyone else, Kerry got booed last week. Did you complain then?”

He doesn't deserve extra marks or special treatment in the way you are implying but he does deserve a lot more respect from an audience of idiots who think it's ok to boo a hero. Wiki him and see exactly what he did to be awarded the victoria cross.

and no I don't like anyone being booed but I wasn't that bothered about Kerry when it happened, but please tell me if you think these two are comparable after you have read up.

Edited to add, that actually don't bother responding, you're obviously missing the point and your sarcastic replies are tedious.
missfrankiecat
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“Yes, he has done all those things, but why should be get special treatment in this just because of them. You might as well say that he should be allowed to win automatically because none of the others have fought for their country.”

No, just that it's unsporting to boo him. I've no problem with him being marked down if he deserves it or voted off if people don't want him in the show. But how is booing a decent man who is doing his best right? It's just typical of our chav society.
*Laura*
20-02-2011
I was surprised and actually a little ashamed of my country when I heard the boos. Yes, it's a skating competition but, let's not be fooled it is also a popularity contest and Johnson is coming across as a very likeable person. We've watched him improve and develop, ok he's not the best but, he's not the worst and we've seen less able skaters in previous series get carried to the latter rounds of this "competition".

Those people booing, are part of everything that has gone wrong for our soldiers when they leave the forces. Yes, they're great when they're fighting for us but, hey ho, we cant' give them decent jobs, or houses when they've done the "job". I honestly wouldn't mind if he won the whole bliddy thing. Out of ALL the skaters, he's the one who I actually will around the ice and want to do well. He's slowly but surely getting the hang of it and I can see the improvement.

I'm sure a lot of people away from these forums are pleased to see him doing so well. There are probably a lot of members of the armed forces and their families picking up their phones and voting for "one of theirs". Mothers, Fathers, wives, sons and daughters all hoping that there's a Johnson in their loved one's squadron. I have to admit normally I don't do "sympathy" voting but, with Johnson I'm sure there are people voting just to show that they support what he did AND what our troops are going through, and you won't hear me complaining.

RANT over.
mutleygold
20-02-2011
It is called respect; something that this world sadly lacks in many quarters.
LittleMinx25
20-02-2011
I didnt hear any booing when his name was called

But if there was it was prob the chavs in the crowd who think a hero is someone like Kerry cr*ptona
-Sid-
20-02-2011
I don't want to hear anybody on DOI booed - war hero or not. It's not Big Brother.
ianswaiting
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by tsutsu:
“He doesn't deserve extra marks or special treatment in the way you are implying but he does deserve a lot more respect from an audience of idiots who think it's ok to boo a hero. Wiki him and see exactly what he did to be awarded the victoria cross.

and no I don't like anyone being booed but I wasn't that bothered about Kerry when it happened, but please tell me if you think these two are comparable after you have read up.”

Yes, they are comparable because for this purpose they are both contestants in the same show, being judged on the same basis each week. What they do for a living outside of the show, what they have done in their past etc has no bearing on that. If it is unacceptable to boo one of them, it should be equally unacceptable to boo the other.
mutleygold
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“I was surprised and actually a little ashamed of my country when I heard the boos. Yes, it's a skating competition but, let's not be fooled it is also a popularity contest and Johnson is coming across as a very likeable person. We've watched him improve and develop, ok he's not the best but, he's not the worst and we've seen less able skaters in previous series get carried to the latter rounds of this "competition".

Those people booing, are part of everything that has gone wrong for our soldiers when they leave the forces. Yes, they're great when they're fighting for us but, hey ho, we cant' give them decent jobs, or houses when they've done the "job". I honestly wouldn't mind if he won the whole bliddy thing. Out of ALL the skaters, he's the one who I actually will around the ice and want to do well. He's slowly but surely getting the hang of it and I can see the improvement.

I'm sure a lot of people away from these forums are pleased to see him doing so well. There are probably a lot of members of the armed forces and their families picking up their phones and voting for "one of theirs". Mothers, Fathers, wives, sons and daughters all hoping that there's a Johnson in there loved one's squadron. I have to admit normally I don't do "sympathy" voting but, with Johnson I'm sure there are people voting just to show that they support what he did AND what our troops are going through, and you won't hear me complaining.

RANT over. ”

Couldn't agree more thank you.
Bigears
20-02-2011
However, if all the other celeb skaters had had brain surgery and basically had to learn to walk and talk again then you would see if he is the best skater.

In terms of what he has to overcome to be at the level he is now, it is awestriking. I could also go into the fact that other skaters have had skated previously and had performance training but it is all a bit of a yawn.

Whilst I appreciate that Johnson is not the best skater, he is certainly the one that has had to overcome the biggest hurdles to be where he is. Does he deserve booing no, but none of them do particularly.
Last edited by Bigears : 20-02-2011 at 22:28
MARTYM8
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by LittleMinx25:
“I didnt hear any booing when his name was called

But if there was it was prob the chavs in the crowd who think a hero is someone like Kerry cr*ptona”

More like Jeff's chavvy fans!
Ignazio
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy:
“He's not a very good skater at all and he is getting through now purely on the sympathy vote.
If they had booed anyone else, would you suggest they were frogmarched to Afghanistan?

Just because he was a soldier doesn't mean he is above criticism.”

One can criticise without resorting to derision.

imo opinion booing any contestant is out of order - and those who take recourse to such tactics are mere hooligans.
LittleMinx25
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“More like Jeff's chavvy fans!”

They both have very chavvy fans !!
21stCenturyBoy
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by tsutsu:
“Ye, it does actually, he deserves nothing but respect.”

Criticising someone doesn't mean you are disrespecting them.

By that logic, he could have been getting perfect ten's since Show 1 because to criticise someone is to disrespect him.

This is a prime example of why he shouldn't have been signed up in the first place- people cannot disassosciate his job from his skating ability, which is mediocre at best.
jill1812
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by LittleMinx25:
“They both have very chavvy fans !!”

Unlike Johnson's, who think if you don't worship the ground he walks on you're a disgrace who should be conscripted into the army.

Unlike the man himself who's charm personified, and never seeks to use what he did as an advantage. He's never mentioned it since week 1.
Ignazio
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by LittleMinx25:
“I didnt hear any booing when his name was called

But if there was it was prob the chavs in the crowd who think a hero is someone like Kerry cr*ptona”

Why is it always the assumption that it is Kerry's supporters/defenders who are unappreciative of heroism?

From reading this forum I would suggest that many of her detractors are equally challenged when it comes to expressing a reasonably erudite opinion.
syl
20-02-2011
I'm no Kerry fan but I don't thing her life has been a bed of roses either and lets face it she has a major mental illness. What I'm trying to say is everyone deserves respect and soldiers are no different to anyone else.
Tissy
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by Bigears:
“However, if all the other celeb skaters had had brain surgery and basically had to learn to walk and talk again then you would see if he is the best skater.

In terms of what he has to overcome to be at the level he is now, it is awestriking. I could also go into the fact that other skaters have had skated previously and had performance training but it is all a bit of a yawn.

Whilst I appreciate that Johnson is not the best skater, he is certainly the one that has had to overcome the biggest hurdles to be where he is. Does he deserve booing no, but none of them do particularly.”

I think he`s doing a great job

Hate the booing personally -
LittleMinx25
20-02-2011
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Why is it always the assumption that it is Kerry's supporters/defenders who are unappreciative of heroism?

From reading this forum I would suggest that many of her detractors are equally challenged when it comes to expressing a reasonably erudite opinion.”

Why should someone who used drugs with her kids in the house & only spends time with them when it helps her with her desire for the British public to love her get any respect from me?????

Respect is EARNT not injected or sniffed !!!!!!
Tiger Rose
20-02-2011
I didn't notice any booing. That's disappointing if that's the case - they must be letting in the chavs from the X Factor.

I like Jeff but I'm glad he was in the bottom 2 because we got a fab performance from him in the skate off which we didn't get first time round.
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