[sderr123]

[quote=kittykat30;57265640]Gethin didn't say him and his wife weren't sleeping together. He didn't say they were separated, he just said they both had secret relationships on the side. Gethin is as bad as he looks, he was two timing Sheryl, and lying to everyone. He's his fathers son.[/QUOTE

I really don't see Gethin as very bad at all. Wasn't there just an almost murder suicide, and a male rape. Even lovable Iolo is a home wrecker, who broke up a marriage.

Maybe in real life he would be bad, in the context of this show I don't think so. He is annoying that's it. Sheryl doesn't really have that many choices who haven't done just as bad.

I am not saying he didn't lie. Just I don't think he left his wife in order to cheat. Its pretty obvious he just left her and lived apart for well over a year. I don't know why he wouldn't have just divorced her like a normal person.

[kittykat30]

[quote=sderr123;57266202]

Originally Posted by kittykat30

Gethin didn't say him and his wife weren't sleeping together. He didn't say they were separated, he just said they both had secret relationships on the side. Gethin is as bad as he looks, he was two timing Sheryl, and lying to everyone. He's his fathers son.[/QUOTE

I really don't see Gethin as very bad at all. Wasn't there just an almost murder suicide, and a male rape. Even lovable Iolo is a home wrecker, who broke up a marriage.

Maybe in real life he would be bad, in the context of this show I don't think so. He is annoying that's it. Sheryl doesn't really have that many choices who haven't done just as bad.

I am not saying he didn't lie. Just I don't think he left his wife in order to cheat. Its pretty obvious he just left her and lived apart for well over a year. I don't know why he wouldn't have just divorced her like a normal person.

Gethin didn't break up a marriage, he was cheating on his wife and girlfriend with each other, while keeping a secret child from Sheryl and his own sister. To me that is scummy behaviour, and he is just as bad as he's always whining on his dad was/is. They are two peas in a pod, which is why Gethin hates him. Because he can see he's become like what he hated.

Gethin/Wife were obviously still sleeping together, Sderr. Otherwise he wouldn't have had to lie to her or Sheryl, and he wouldn't have his wife coming to cwm deri being angry. She found out he cheated on her, and yes, he probably did leave her to cheat. Like Moc did on his wife's, something better came along so he strung both along. It just serves him right that his wife was doing the same, and that Sheryl doesn't want him anymore, and has slept/or kisses his dad. Gethin may be a nicer guy in general that Garry, but as a partner and brother his lies aren't nice behaviour.

[welshsarah]

i liked gethin when he first came into the show but when he came all jealous didn't like him
do you think we see his wife again

[sderr123]

Gethin hate Moc, because he is an abusive manipulative man who abandoned him as a child. What I saw last night is a man who had abandoned his son as a child watching his son have a break down in the street and then go deliberately to see the woman he loves and sleep with her. That is intentionally abusive, outrageously abusive. Designed only to hurt his child. Where that man owes his loyality to Gethin and Dani. Do you actually think Moc has any right to condemn Gethin and favor Sheryl? Sheryl has friends, who will support her she doesn't need Moc.

Moc obviously has not returned out of concern for his daughter either, since he has barely talked her. Moc obviously see his kids only as a means to an end to get what he wants. I know that you don't believe abandoning a child to be abusive. But the law disagrees with you, abandoning a child is illegal. As far as I know adultery is not.

Sheryl has the right not see Gethin if she wants. She does not have the right to exact collateral damage by playing with Kevin and Dani emotions. If she is still so in love with Gethin she needs to get that kind of revenge, she deserves him and she should work things out with him.

[kittykat30]

Originally Posted by sderr123

Gethin hate Moc, because he is an abusive manipulative man who abandoned him as a child. What I saw last night is a man who had abandoned his son as a child watching his son have a break down in the street and then go deliberately to see the woman he loves and sleep with her. That is intentionally abusive, outrageously abusive. Designed only to hurt his child. Where that man owes his loyality to Gethin and Dani. Do you actually think Moc has any right to condemn Gethin and favor Sheryl? Sheryl has friends, who will support her she doesn't need Moc.

Moc obviously has not returned out of concern for his daughter either, since he has barely talked her. Moc obviously see his kids only as a means to an end to get what he wants. I know that you don't believe abandoning a child to be abusive. But the law disagrees with you, abandoning a child is illegal. As far as I know adultery is not.

Sheryl has the right not see Gethin if she wants. She does not have the right to exact collateral damage by playing with Kevin and Dani emotions. If she is still so in love with Gethin she needs to get that kind of revenge, she deserves him and she should work things out with him.

Where did it say he was abusive? I have never heard Gethin say his father beat him

Gethin clearly hates his dad because he's become him, and he blames his childhood. IMO they're as bad as each other when it comes to women. Moc is slimy sod, so in the big ways probably worse than Gethin, but not from what we've seen of how they lie to women and family.

Sheryl can sleep with who she wants. Do I agree with her? hell no. But she's single so she's not cheating on anyone, it's just really nasty on Dani. I have no sympathy for Gethin with Sheryl, he lost all his rights when he lied and cheated.

[welshsarah]

do you think sheryl be taken in with moc

[wavlovr]

Towards the end on the sign on Sioneds shop, what does 'AR AGOR FEL ARFER' mean? I`m guessing its 'Under New Management'

[kittykat30]

Originally Posted by welshsarah

do you think sheryl be taken in with moc

In the longrun, no I don't. I think he's just a port in the storm right now, he's totally a substitute for his son, and a distraction from him. As Moc looks set to go after Anita, I can't see him and Sheryl being more than a few more secret liasions. She'll probably realise what a fool she is being and when the truth comes out it will be the final nail in the coffin for any chance of her Gethin reuniting. I would think that's the point of the storyline anyway, and to show Dani that he can't be trusted. It's her I feel sorry for, she's already had her trust crushed by Gethin, and now she'll have it done again by her dad.

I have a feeling Moc wants Anita's money. He seems the type who'd go with women for their money.

[QueenShebaVIII]

Originally Posted by wavlovr

Towards the end on the sign on Sioneds shop, what does 'AR AGOR FEL ARFER' mean? I`m guessing its 'Under New Management'

Open, as usual, possibly.

[QueenShebaVIII]

Am I the only one who's just sooo frustrated with Eileen right now? She seriously thinks that Sioned hates her - after she TOLD HER why she wanted to kill the both of them? Surely, as a mother she should be worrying slightly that her daughter is suicidal at least. Even if she doesn't forgive Sioned immediately, I don't get how she has completely misunderstood her actions and feelings. I nearly feel mean for this but it's just so difficult to like her or understand her when she's so... thick.

[frannyd]

Moc didn't abandoned Gethin as a child. When he was talking to Dani, he said that Gethin was with his mother during the week, but he must have been with his father on week-ends, because he wouldn't have known Dani otherwise. Many fathers only see their children on week-ends.
The Sheryl of old is now coming out, she took Darren off his wife and then dropped him to be with Gary.
I feel sorry for Dani in all this, she lost Brandon, falled out with Gethin and now her friend is sleeping with her father.

Has for Eileen the woman really needs to wake up, she is the one who as abandoned her child.

[kittykat30]

In fairness to Eileen, Sioned literally did just try and blow her head off with a shotgun, you wouldn't be feeling too warm towards that person for a while. I am sure once she realises Sioned did it because she's had a break down she will forgive her, and support her. I can't see her and Marian abandoning Sioned longterm.

[wavlovr]

Originally Posted by QueenShebaVIII

Open, as usual, possibly.

Thanks QueenSheba. I wasn`t sure if the AR and the AGOR was one word or not as they were in capital letters and too close together.
Now it makes sense as I remember the word AGOR on the cafe door.

[QueenShebaVIII]

Originally Posted by kittykat30

In fairness to Eileen, Sioned literally did just try and blow her head off with a shotgun, you wouldn't be feeling too warm towards that person for a while. I am sure once she realises Sioned did it because she's had a break down she will forgive her, and support her. I can't see her and Marian abandoning Sioned longterm.

Eileen has never been that nice to her though. Of course, I understand feeling angry at her or having a strained relationship but if she'd consistently tried to be a good mother to her in the past, I might be okay with how she's reacting now. But there are times, like when she hit her and called her a slut and whore, that make it more difficult to feel sympathy for her. Sioned is so obviously mentally ill, I don't get how you can't worry about that in someone closely related to you even if it made them do something awful. Or especially if it made them do something awful, actually. Being abandoned by her mother is just the last thing Sioned needs right now.

[wavlovr]

Since after Christmas I have done a complete U turn on some of the characters on PYC. I used to love Hwyel, Eifion,Gethin and Mark. Now I can`t bear to look at any of them.
Hywel because he was sniffing around Ffion while with Gaynor and lying about it.
Eifion because of staging the burglary in a effort to get the farm.
Gethin because he lied to Sheryl and was bullying her to have another child
Mark because he was hateful to Eileen when she turned him down, and cheated Sion White out of winning 'the Chair' with Denzils tribute poem at the Eisteddfod..

[QueenShebaVIII]

Ah, I used to really like Eifion too now I also can't stand to look at him... He's become quite horrible. I never liked Gethin or Hywel though.

[kittykat30]

Originally Posted by QueenShebaVIII

Eileen has never been that nice to her though. Of course, I understand feeling angry at her or having a strained relationship but if she'd consistently tried to be a good mother to her in the past, I might be okay with how she's reacting now. But there are times, like when she hit her and called her a slut and whore, that make it more difficult to feel sympathy for her. Sioned is so obviously mentally ill, I don't get how you can't worry about that in someone closely related to you even if it made them do something awful. Or especially if it made them do something awful, actually. Being abandoned by her mother is just the last thing Sioned needs right now.

Sioned wasn't mentally ill when she drugged Marian and did all the other things. It's only her dad dying that caused a break down, before then she was just a bitch. Not surprising Eileen can't deal with her.

[welshsarah]

effion is really sly dont like the way he speaks to eilleen

[welshsarah]

just watched the onibus
acting was totaly amazing I could have cried for sioned when she went in the car
i did cringe badly when sheryl was kissing moc

[Sez_babe]

Poor Macs, I'm glad he made the right choice and got help for Sioned - it was interesting seeing a soap show a character phone Samaritans - a good thing in my book to portray

[cookieshop]

Originally Posted by kittykat30

Sioned wasn't mentally ill when she drugged Marian and did all the other things. It's only her dad dying that caused a break down, before then she was just a bitch. Not surprising Eileen can't deal with her.

It all contributed to it though, that amount of pressure on someone its quite logical to say it takes its toll mentally on a person.

She was already in a fragile state way before that, plus the mental fortitude needed to help macs through his sexual assault by Scott, put a vast amount of pressure on her. These things wear you down.

She was broken even before Denzil suffered his fatal heart attack. Mental illness has many forms, Sioned certainly was showing signs of it.

[Meldrewman]

I've just caught up with a few missed episodes after a few days away and don't know what was worst - Eileen and Sioned's acting in the shotgun scenes, the card game, the group in the Deri or Sheryl and Moc's coming together!

Sioned's gurning attempts to look unhinged showed how so many young soap actors struggle to act beyoind the routine, Eileen's acting used her usual few blank expressions, the card game was totally contrived, the "famous" group were appallingly bad and Sheryl and Moc - just cringworthy!

Never mind, Pobol y Cwm is always compelling, whether it be for its strange sets, odd and abandoned story lines or its slightly old-fashioned quantness.

BTW - we were at Cardiff Bay at the weekend and our friends pointed out the new outdoor sets - how about allowing the public in for a look?

[kittykat30]

Originally Posted by cookieshop

It all contributed to it though, that amount of pressure on someone its quite logical to say it takes its toll mentally on a person.

She was already in a fragile state way before that, plus the mental fortitude needed to help macs through his sexual assault by Scott, put a vast amount of pressure on her. These things wear you down.

She was broken even before Denzil suffered his fatal heart attack. Mental illness has many forms, Sioned certainly was showing signs of it.

I disagree, I saw no evidence she was mentally ill before Denzil died. She was not having a breakdown at the point that she drugged Marian. And her behaviour long before Macs was raped was terrible too, from what I have heard on here and what characters have said. It's her personality, the only mental disorder she has had previously IMO was at most a anti-social personality disorder. I have qualifications in psychology and personal experience with mental illness, and I do not believe she was mentally ill when she mistreated her aunt. Her fragile state didn't happen until Denzil disowned her, and then he died. The guilt and grief has caused the breakdown, not what came before. That was down to her obviously having a personality disorder. She is a classic example of it.

[QueenShebaVIII]

Originally Posted by kittykat30

Sioned wasn't mentally ill when she drugged Marian and did all the other things. It's only her dad dying that caused a break down, before then she was just a bitch. Not surprising Eileen can't deal with her.

She already forgave her for what she did in the past, why should that matter now? Surely it should be what she did to Marian that would make her abandon Sioned instead of mental illness after a family death. But it's not so that's irrelevant.
I'm not even going to bother discussing whether she was mentally ill if you're going to invalidate any opposing opinions by making yourself seem like the expert on the topic.

[welshsarah]

i think she had a mental breakdown when her dad died, you could tell this by the way she was talking to her father's photo,... well done macs