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Old 27-02-2011, 16:26
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I could see how you would think phone traffic meant nothing.

Whereas you base your views on "internet searches" translating that to sales = 'Fuzzy Logic'.
Sorry but are apple fans blind or something? Ive just said its not based on searches didnt i? Didnt i also say that its been in the news for over a week now.

When will you accept this is based on sales and NOT searches. You have been shown many links so far and yet you still think its based on searches. Very strange logic.

Also didnt i just say your 2 results are based on an article about bank changes and banks moaning about a potential threat to their rip of charges and another obscure link that only shows data up till the beginning of last month?

So 1 link is useless and isnt to be looked at and the other is 2 month old results. Dont you think thats flawed a bit?
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:28
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There's plenty of other info on the net which shows Android is now the most popular "smartphone" OS, having overtaken Symbian, and that comes from companies such as Canalys, Gartner, iHS etc whose business it is to study these things.

As I said, USwitch's info is reflective of their userbase, but probably less accurate for the industry as a whole. There's some indication that the best-selling smartphone in Q4 2010 was actually a BlackBerry.

The likelihood is that an Android phone will top the charts for quite a while, but the model will change as new devices are releases - it's whatever is the newest, brightest, shiniest thing at the time (and obviously, the most competitive on price), but I'm also very confident that Apple will stay up at the top of the most profit chart, because their sales are still healthy and their profit per unit is much higher than the majority of other smartphones.
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:28
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It all sounds like it was dreamed up on the back of a fag packet.
Yeah because i mean lets face it, its inconceivable that apple can be overtaken isn't it?

Impossible to happen really surely according to the apple way of thinking.
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:29
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Yeah because i mean lets face it, its inconceivable that apple can be overtaken isn't it?

Impossible to happen really surely according to the apple way of thinking.
No, not if you had some real evidence from a reliable source.
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:32
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No, not if you had some real evidence from a reliable source.
Your joking right?

You think your links are real evidence from reliable sources? Links based on 2 month old data and bank charges?

Have a look through the links provided in the 2 threads so far.

If its to difficult for you ill help you out later but i have to go shopping with the wife now
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:34
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But the data IS partially based on searches. What I quoted near the bottom of page 1 is from uSwitch's own website. They don't explain what proportion of their data is searches and what is sales, unfortunately.
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:37
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I wouldn't believe this BS with a ton of salt. This comes from a price comparison company that bases its findings on "searches" and sales, but they never explain where they get their sales figures from and it appears they don't have a good reputation.

I am sure that those looking for a cheap phone don't often do a search for an iPhone.


Uswitch "fag-packet figures" are dangerous nonsense


There have been hard figures of sales in the last few weeks and they indicate that both Apple and Blackberry are doing well.

Apple iOS dominates Euro smartphone usage


It seems that Android still has a very long way to go.
I agree with you on that.

The problem here is that people (including the OP) are interpreting the data to mean that the HTC Desire is outselling the iPhone. I don't believe that at all. All of theHTC phones combined are not outselling the iPhone. If you want to claim that the Desire tops U switch searches - that is fine although it proves the square root of diddly squat.
Its not just searches its sales as well and uswitch can confirm those as they'd get notification of sales from the vendor and commission on the sales - thats how comparission sites get their money.

It also stands to reason that more people will look at Android phones rather than iphones if looking for good deals as the phones are just as good, but can be got cheaper as makers like HTC, Motorola etc don't insist on a cut of the contract costs like Apple do so there's more scope for networks to offer better deals like free phones on cheaper monthly contracts - you could get a Desire not long after launch for a total cost of £480 (£20pm + free Desire) over the 24 months of the contract wheras an iphone at the time was over £800 (£30pm + upfront cost of the iphone) over the 24 month's.
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:53
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There have been hard figures of sales in the last few weeks and they indicate that both Apple and Blackberry are doing well.

Apple iOS dominates Euro smartphone usage


It seems that Android still has a very long way to go.
Where? please show the SALES figures !!!!

Keep asking and still nothing from you showing SALES figures.
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Old 27-02-2011, 16:53
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Its not just searches its sales as well and uswitch can confirm those as they'd get notification of sales from the vendor and commission on the sales - thats how comparission sites get their money.
Which vendors?
PAYG?
Sim-Free?
Contracts?

They are very thin on their sources for data and since the manufacture of all HTC phones falls behind that of the iPhone alone (and by a long way) I have severe doubts about their assertions.
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:19
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And you can always spot the ones who don't like Apple by the way they grasp at straws.

"More people are searching on the internet for Android phones, therefore they must be outselling the iPhone.'

'Fuzzy Logic'

Don't give up your day job, Sherlock.
My apologies for touching such a raw nerve.
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:34
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No, not if you had some real evidence from a reliable source.
Reuters

Canalys

Does it really matter though? Android has umpteen different handsets, so is bound to outsell Apple. I bet Steve Jobs isn't losing any sleep over it though, as Apple profits are still climbing, and the next Iphone will sell by the bucket load anyhow, especially with all those 2 year 3GS contacts due for renewal.

Tech has always been swings and roundabouts, and always will be, bit like the old Amiga vs Atari ST days(Amiga was better btw )
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:35
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No, not if you had some real evidence from a reliable source.
Take your own advice.
Then add a sizeable dose of objectivity.
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:41
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As a side note, Android had 53% of the smartphone market in the USA for Q4 2010, but even with this market share, the best selling phones were as follows:

1. Apple iPhone 4
2. Motorola Droid X
3. HTC EVO 4G
4. Apple iPhone 3GS
5. Motorola Droid 2

Source here
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:49
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Reuters

Canalys

Does it really matter though? Android has umpteen different handsets, so is bound to outsell Apple. I bet Steve Jobs isn't losing any sleep over it though, as Apple profits are still climbing, and the next Iphone will sell by the bucket load anyhow, especially with all those 2 year 3GS contacts due for renewal.

Tech has always been swings and roundabouts, and always will be, bit like the old Amiga vs Atari ST days(Amiga was better btw )

Actually the Atari STe was better by miles!!!
I have a 4160 STe.

The Canalys data is wrong, but certainly that is the way that the market is heading.

Paging Stats Police: Canalys jumped gun rather badly, Android is NOT yet ahead of Symbian (but will be soon)


I have no problem with the assertion that the various Android handsets are selling more than the iPhone. What I do challenge is that any individual Android handset is selling more than the iPhone. None of the Android OEMs even approach iPhone production and that is with all their handsets taken together.

Take your own advice.
Then add a sizeable dose of objectivity.
You should follow your own advice.
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:51
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As a side note, Android had 53% of the smartphone market in the USA for Q4 2010, but even with this market share, the best selling phones were as follows:

1. Apple iPhone 4
2. Motorola Droid X
3. HTC EVO 4G
4. Apple iPhone 3GS
5. Motorola Droid 2

Source here
True.

NPD or Gartner are reliable sources.
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Old 27-02-2011, 17:52
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Actually the Atari STe was better by miles!!!
I have a 4160 STe.

The Canalys data is wrong, but certainly that is the way that the market is heading.

Paging Stats Police: Canalys jumped gun rather badly, Android is NOT yet ahead of Symbian (but will be soon)


I have no problem with the assertion that the various Android handsets are selling more than the iPhone. What I do challenge is that any individual Android handset is selling more than the iPhone. None of the Android OEMs even approach iPhone production and that is with all their handsets taken together.



You should follow your own advice.
Sorry but you will find that data is wrong.

*tries to find web page that has nothing to do with anything*
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Old 27-02-2011, 18:08
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I bought an HTC Desire because it was cheaper than an iPhone.
No wonder that Apple are going to release a cheaper iPhone in the next few months.
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Old 27-02-2011, 18:11
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I noticed click had some graph on Click showing Android usage now at double that of IOS.
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Old 27-02-2011, 18:35
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I noticed click had some graph on Click showing Android usage now at double that of IOS.
Louisiana?

Probably in some US state where AT&T has a small footprint.
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Old 27-02-2011, 18:38
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Sorry but are apple fans blind or something? Ive just said its not based on searches didnt i? Didnt i also say that its been in the news for over a week now.
It's based on searches and sales (at unknown outlets - market stalls???). Been in the news for a week and and because the data is so dodgy no one except the Android crowd are giving it any credence.
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Old 27-02-2011, 19:06
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I bought an HTC Desire because it was cheaper than an iPhone.
No wonder that Apple are going to release a cheaper iPhone in the next few months.
That's a rumour only. Apple will announce their iPhone plans when they're ready. I'll believe the info when it comes from them and not from conjecture from so called "insiders".
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Old 27-02-2011, 20:57
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Which vendors?
PAYG?
Sim-Free?
Contracts?

They are very thin on their sources for data and since the manufacture of all HTC phones falls behind that of the iPhone alone (and by a long way) I have severe doubts about their assertions.
Most venders do all three - contracts, sim free and payg so I don't see why you seperate them and as for vendors - they'll be whichever ones are linked to from the uswitch website and a quick glance shows quite a few vendors including the networks themselves and the big ones like CPW, E2Save, Phones4U etc and many others.

I can also see the logic to including searches as a lot of people will do what I do - use uswitch to find the best deals then go through quidco and get the commission rather than let uswitch get it
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Old 27-02-2011, 21:12
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Most venders do all three - contracts, sim free and payg so I don't see why you seperate them and as for vendors - they'll be whichever ones are linked to from the uswitch website and a quick glance shows quite a few vendors including the networks themselves and the big ones like CPW, E2Save, Phones4U etc and many others.
Do we know are all those vendors reporting sales to uSwitch?

Why is uSwitch so vague on what they are actually reporting and why do they lump in sales and internet searches together? Why don't they list their sources?

Apple isn't among the companys listed.

There are more holes in their assertions than a Swiss Cheese.
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Old 27-02-2011, 21:29
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Apple iOS dominates Euro smartphone usage


It seems that Android still has a very long way to go.
HTCs combined worldwide sales of all their phones are far less than the sales of the iPhone and Android traffic in Europe lags way behind iOS traffic. Way, way, behind.
Hi, first of all that link you keep posting whenever there is a sales thread such as this; it's not really valid in this type of 'argument.' You see iOS had a several year head start against Android so of course it's going to dominate in terms of Smartphone usage.

No one is denying that iOS is the leader when compared to Android. But these last couple of threads in the mobile forums have been about the recent upturn of Android sales against iOS. Not who is winning overall since the first iPhone came out.

Most articles lately have shown Android to be either even or ahead now in terms of smartphone sales each month against the others. That is what is being discussed, so that link is invalid. Also if you must look at the data in that link is actually supports what people are saying about Android slowing gaining. It clearly shows in Eurpoe over the last year the number of iOS users dropped and Android increased. If you look at the UK statistics iOS dropped even further.

A couple of years ago when I got a HTC Hero, I told people I had an Android phone. They would look at me and I would have to explain it's a Google phone. These days most people would understand what I'm saying, and a good number of them would have one too. I reckon in my in view 2010 was the turning point for Android. It's now being recognized more often as a serious alternative to the iOS and this is backed up by excellent sales figures last year.
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Old 27-02-2011, 21:31
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Hi, first of all that link you keep posting whenever there is a sales thread such as this; it's not really valid in this type of 'argument.' You see iOS had a several year head start against Android so of course it's going to dominate in terms of Smartphone usage.

No one is denying that iOS is the leader when compared to Android. But these last couple of threads in the mobile forums have been about the recent upturn of Android sales against iOS. Not who is winning overall since the first iPhone came out.

Most articles lately have shown Android to be either even or ahead now in terms of smartphone sales each month against the others. That is what is being discussed, so that link is invalid. Also if you must look at the data in that link is actually supports what people are saying about Android slowing gaining. It clearly shows in Eurpoe over the last year the number of iOS users dropped and Android increased. If you look at the UK statistics iOS dropped even further.
How dare you use logic.
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