this isnt just mindless speculation on my part

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lace-news.html

its also in the Times as well, but no link (hence why I used the Daily Mail one)

some of the replies worry me


people see they get less from the BBC, and think the licecne fee should be cut, leading to a cycle of less and less.

Mark Thompson may have avoided having to fund the over 70s TV licecnes, but he has still trapped the BBC in a dangerous cycle.

Much like the public sector, the BBC is hated and people just do not get the feeling they are part of it, I urge the BBC Trust to tackle this, take the view of memeber of the public for once, and review the pointless red tapes that harms the creative process, I would do it myself, but they wont let me.

Is the BBC is going to go into a brave new world of cuts, it needs to show cuts to more than just programming.

Coincidence that they talk about 7pm the time BBC3 and BBC4 start maybe the three channels will merge?

Maybe a better idea to put BBC3 and BBC4 output on BBC2 during the daytime and scrap the two channels.

OP, did your cat get on your laptop again? (joking!)

The BBC is hated? Just like the public sector? I don't think so.

The TV licence maybe...


I don't like much of the BBCs output but that's a management issue.
Seems like a good idea to me to reduce the shear volume of telly programmes.

seems kinda pointless, how can you put something like Being Human on Daytime, not only is it post watershed its demographic isnt watching TV at that time.

I think over all the BBC just doesnt need two main channels in daytime, and getting rid of BBC 2 Daytime will allow improvements to be made to BBC 1 Daytime.

Tassium it is hated on the Daily Mail website, and I do feel the BBC should annouce executive cuts when it announces programming or channel cuts, so people see thats its not just the programs that are being cut.

I take a much tougher stance on the BBC, than people give me credit for.

Obviously post watershed programmes would go out after 9pm on BBC2.

in that case you might as well fully merge all 3 channels into one 24 hour channel.

Not something I favour but im sure it has been considered.

I've thought the 6-7pm slot has been really strong recently with the popular Eggheads and high quality best of British favourites like Michael Portillo's Great Railway Journeys which has been a really nice and well presented series, 6.30 must have also got good ratings when it was home to Strictly Come Dancing - It Takes Two, even though I'm not into that. I don't see how the BBC can even consider binning some of the best quality output which has actually aired in that slot.
Before 6pm though is rather weak, there's nothing that has really filled the void that The Weakest Link left and they resort to filling in time with Due South & Diagnosis Murder, and the rest is an extension of the homes, country & antiques shows that air on BBC ONE in the morning, perhaps they could do some cookery again in the afternoon on BBC TWO at least.
As they already have a rolling news channel if they actually carried out that proposal it would considerably weaken the image of the BBC in the eyes of the public and the critics, it would certainly represent getting less value out of paying your licence fee, if they can't sustain new programming through the daytime on BBC TWO then it would think it would be a much better use of the channel to put on high quality archive programming such as the Michael Palin series, classic sitcoms and documentaries than it would to just wipe the channel out with rolling news.
We paid for these classic series to be made in the first place so lets see them on air for free on BBC TWO rather than on pay channels.

I dont disagree with that, but it is going to increase the amount of repeats aired, and it wont take long for the BBC to be targetted with the repeat tag.

And the little matter of the target audiences not being around to watch during the day?

As well as the other rather insignificant factor of the evening and post-watershed material which might not be deemed suitable for daytime broadcast?

And the displaced BBC post-watershed programmes go where?

Look, this idea of scrapping BBC3/4 has been discussed before - it's not practical and is not likely to happen anyway.

Anyway, back to the topic - I recall a number of threads bemoaning the programming on BBC Daytime, especially posts which state that the same genre of programming exists on both BBC1 and 2 (houses, auctions, antiques). And I bet that most of those DM comments expecting a decrease in the LF are not actually available to watch TV during the daytime ....... so the change (or reduction in choice) of programming is quite possible not going to affect them (even IF agreed and IF the BBC Trust allow them to happen of course)

But as DSO continues more and more people will have access to the BBC News Channel-for those who want rolling news that's what it's there for. If the BBC can't sustain a daytime output on BBC2 they may as well go back to the days of it being off air with the test card until early evening rather than duplicate a channel that virtually everyone can receive if they wish to view it.

that is basically my plan, expect for using the space for things like Wimbeldon when they are on.

As an alternative to rebroadcasting BBC News Channel, BBC 2 daytme, could broadcast BBC 1+1 or BBC World.

Isn't this just part of Murdoch/coalition governments plans though?

Make the BBC seem rubbish and not value for money.

They've tried rubbishing it in newspapers and speeches but people are still watching, so cut the funding, cut the programming and it suddenly starts looking like poor value for money.

Oh yes, and "dropping documentaries like Michael Portillo's Railway Journeys" is classic Daily Mail spin.

Nobody has said that's going to happen, it may get moved until after 7pm, or shown on BBC 4.

agreed, and it wont take too long to start to work, if the BBC does cut programs, and is not seen to be cutting top level staff.

Yes, and it's just cuts for cuts sake. The license fee won't go down.

So, the result is, less programming, same money, looks poor.

yes the government have banked on people being too stupid to realise why the BBC has had to make this cut, and when betting on people being stupid, you will always win.

Surely Daily Mail readership is biased towards retired middle-class folk?

It seems to me that most of the BBCs daytime output is aimed squarely at that audience.

So maybe the reason the BBC wishes to demonstrate what cuts are all about.

Well I think BBC 2 Should be moved to Manchester in the new media village

Daily Mail.

That is all.

An interesting theory!

Whilst I understand the need to cut costs, I don't think that simulacasting BBC News 24 is the best option. With DSO happening soon across the Uk, why do viewers want to watch part of the channel on BBC2 when they can view it as a full 24hour channel for free???

A better option would surely be to open the archives and bring out some classic programming! And to avoid the "Rerun" tag they could do a positive marketing and brand it as Classic TV in the vein of Original UK Gold which was so popular. They could then make use of the rivh archives, and provide classic entertainment for free on a free channel!

In Spain where DSO has already occured, State broadcaster TVE became an ad free service at the start of the year. In order to cut costs, production was reduced, and at present, TVE1 simulcasts the TVE 24hr news channel during overnight hours, and TVE2 the Teledeporte free to air sports channel in the same overnight hours. Things are bound to change though with both industry and the viewers criticising the move as they are replicating channels which are already available to them as free to air services round the clock.

As part of the plan to phase this out, TVE aborted plans to launch a BBC4 like service called Cultura.es and has now merged this with TVE2, with its content now occupying the early evening slots on TVE2. Also, there are rumours that TVE could be looking at relaunching their Classic channel Nostalgia TVE (now defunct) but now as a programming strand on TVE1 or TVE2. this would fill hours cheaply and also do away with replicating the news and sports channels.

It seems to be mindless or perhaps malicious speculation on behalf of the anti-BBC press.

Here's the edited version of the mail article:

it was also in The Times, I do think its one of many suggestions however,.

I would have posted the link to the Times article if I could.