Another idea is that they have a lot of content not just from BBC THREE & FOUR, but also BBC TWO's primetime output to repeat in the daytime schedules, the schedules don't need to be mediocre if they can use a combination of those programmes, some classic programmes and the best of what they do now.
the future of BBC 2 Daytime?
2 of 7
Originally Posted by mikw:
“Oh yes, and "dropping documentaries like Michael Portillo's Railway Journeys" is classic Daily Mail spin.
Nobody has said that's going to happen, it may get moved until after 7pm, or shown on BBC 4.”
“Oh yes, and "dropping documentaries like Michael Portillo's Railway Journeys" is classic Daily Mail spin.
Nobody has said that's going to happen, it may get moved until after 7pm, or shown on BBC 4.”
Indeed - and in another thread, a poster received an email reply from Michael Portillo confirming that filming for Series 3 starts this summer
Originally Posted by mpk81:
“It seems to be mindless or perhaps malicious speculation on behalf of the anti-BBC press.
Here's the edited version of the mail article:”
“It seems to be mindless or perhaps malicious speculation on behalf of the anti-BBC press.
Here's the edited version of the mail article:”
Good point.
As for it being in The Times as well ...... isn't The Times owned by ....... now, who was it.....?
Originally Posted by mikw:
“Oh yes, and "dropping documentaries like Michael Portillo's Railway Journeys" is classic Daily Mail spin.
Nobody has said that's going to happen, it may get moved until after 7pm, or shown on BBC 4.”
“Oh yes, and "dropping documentaries like Michael Portillo's Railway Journeys" is classic Daily Mail spin.
Nobody has said that's going to happen, it may get moved until after 7pm, or shown on BBC 4.”
Perhaps they could show Childrens TV content instead of news.
Rather than BBC News, they could show some of the older black and white movies which would get an audience - Im sure that they wouldnt cost much, if anything at all. (Isnt there something about copyright and once a film passes into public domain it is free)
Anything other than BBC News would be better - BBC Parliament, following on from the Politics show perhaps ? Then during the summer, they could simulcast CBBC.
Anything other than BBC News would be better - BBC Parliament, following on from the Politics show perhaps ? Then during the summer, they could simulcast CBBC.
Originally Posted by slow motion:
“Perhaps they could show Childrens TV content instead of news.”
“Perhaps they could show Childrens TV content instead of news.”
with all due respect your missing the question that comes after that.
Why have CBBC or the Cbeebies channel if kids stuff will just air on BBC Two for the majorality of daytime?
It looks like we are talking Wallpaper TV for BBC 2, im not against some repeats of some truly worthwhile stuff, if only it wouldnt reflect badly on the BBC.
I agree with comments that others have said about BBC2 simulcasting the news channel for most of the day. What's the point when most people already have access to the news channel?
The Scandinavian public broadcasters usually repeat some of the previous evenings primetime shows during the day for those who missed them. Maybe BBC2 could do that?
Or if they're really not interested in broadcasting anything worthwhile during the day, then maybe they should just shut up shop until around 6pm.
The Scandinavian public broadcasters usually repeat some of the previous evenings primetime shows during the day for those who missed them. Maybe BBC2 could do that?
Or if they're really not interested in broadcasting anything worthwhile during the day, then maybe they should just shut up shop until around 6pm.
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“And the displaced BBC post-watershed programmes go where?”
“And the displaced BBC post-watershed programmes go where?”
A lot of it can just go full-stop.
I don't watch Being Human, for example, but it has a damn sight more credibilty than another series of "Random Z-list Celeb pisses about in the kitchen for an hour"
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“this isnt just mindless speculation on my part
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lace-news.html
its also in the Times as well, but no link (hence why I used the Daily Mail one)
some of the replies worry me
people see they get less from the BBC, and think the licecne fee should be cut, leading to a cycle of less and less.
Mark Thompson may have avoided having to fund the over 70s TV licecnes, but he has still trapped the BBC in a dangerous cycle.
Much like the public sector, the BBC is hated and people just do not get the feeling they are part of it, I urge the BBC Trust to tackle this, take the view of memeber of the public for once, and review the pointless red tapes that harms the creative process, I would do it myself, but they wont let me.
Is the BBC is going to go into a brave new world of cuts, it needs to show cuts to more than just programming.”
“this isnt just mindless speculation on my part
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lace-news.html
its also in the Times as well, but no link (hence why I used the Daily Mail one)
some of the replies worry me
people see they get less from the BBC, and think the licecne fee should be cut, leading to a cycle of less and less.
Mark Thompson may have avoided having to fund the over 70s TV licecnes, but he has still trapped the BBC in a dangerous cycle.
Much like the public sector, the BBC is hated and people just do not get the feeling they are part of it, I urge the BBC Trust to tackle this, take the view of memeber of the public for once, and review the pointless red tapes that harms the creative process, I would do it myself, but they wont let me.
Is the BBC is going to go into a brave new world of cuts, it needs to show cuts to more than just programming.”
this would feel like the bbc stepping back in time with a difference .ie instead of PAGES FROM CEEFAX we get PAGES FROM BBC NEWS CHANNEL in a live format
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Good point.
As for it being in The Times as well ...... isn't The Times owned by ....... now, who was it.....?”
“Good point.
As for it being in The Times as well ...... isn't The Times owned by ....... now, who was it.....?”
It's being reported in the trade paper Broadcast today too.
Quote:
“BBC2 could see a £20m dent to its programme-making budget under recommendations being put forward to cut the current daytime schedule and replace it with news.
Daytime – headed by controller Liam Keelan – allots roughly £20m to BBC2 out of its £80m total.
Many of the channel’s daytime shows are made in house, but a number – including hits such as Pointless – are made by indies.
Although the corporation has stressed this is one of a number of suggestions being considered as part of the Delivering Quality First process – through which it must find £1.3bn-worth of savings – it is understood to have survived the first cull of ideas.
The final set of recommendations will be put to the Trust this summer.
Both Keelan and BBC2 controller Janice Hadlow have come under fire from the Trust in recent months and have been charged with improving output.
Keelan has committed to increasing the amount of consumer and current affairs, and UK-originated drama.
Meanwhile Hadlow - who was publicly rapped by Mark Thompson for the direction of her channel - is set to receive a £25m boost to her annual budget from 2013 in order to drive improvements. It is unclear whether this will still happen if this recommendation is taken forward.
A BBC spokeswoman said: “This is an option being discussed as one of many possibilities for achieving 20% efficiencies under the new Licence Fee settlement.
“These are early proposals and any decisions coming out of the Delivering Quality First process would be subject to public consultation by the BBC Trust.””
“BBC2 could see a £20m dent to its programme-making budget under recommendations being put forward to cut the current daytime schedule and replace it with news.
Daytime – headed by controller Liam Keelan – allots roughly £20m to BBC2 out of its £80m total.
Many of the channel’s daytime shows are made in house, but a number – including hits such as Pointless – are made by indies.
Although the corporation has stressed this is one of a number of suggestions being considered as part of the Delivering Quality First process – through which it must find £1.3bn-worth of savings – it is understood to have survived the first cull of ideas.
The final set of recommendations will be put to the Trust this summer.
Both Keelan and BBC2 controller Janice Hadlow have come under fire from the Trust in recent months and have been charged with improving output.
Keelan has committed to increasing the amount of consumer and current affairs, and UK-originated drama.
Meanwhile Hadlow - who was publicly rapped by Mark Thompson for the direction of her channel - is set to receive a £25m boost to her annual budget from 2013 in order to drive improvements. It is unclear whether this will still happen if this recommendation is taken forward.
A BBC spokeswoman said: “This is an option being discussed as one of many possibilities for achieving 20% efficiencies under the new Licence Fee settlement.
“These are early proposals and any decisions coming out of the Delivering Quality First process would be subject to public consultation by the BBC Trust.””
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...024590.article
this maybe something that only Broadcast readers only really care about, but when making cuts to the BBC, I would rather the cuts were not done based on what is an inhouse production and what isnt, money spent in the indepedent sector, should not be seen as more important than that spent in house.
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“A lot of it can just go full-stop.
I don't watch Being Human, for example, but it has a damn sight more credibilty than another series of "Random Z-list Celeb pisses about in the kitchen for an hour"”
“A lot of it can just go full-stop.
I don't watch Being Human, for example, but it has a damn sight more credibilty than another series of "Random Z-list Celeb pisses about in the kitchen for an hour"”
Ah, yet another "I don't like it/don't watch it so it should not be shown" opinions, an opinion that doesn't actually address the question in any real and practical way.
BTW, I am not aware of too many post-watershed programmes along the lines of "Random Z-list Celeb pisses about in the kitchen for an hour"
Originally Posted by derek500:
“It's being reported in the trade paper Broadcast today too.
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...024590.article”
“It's being reported in the trade paper Broadcast today too.
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...024590.article”
Oh, I am not doubting the authenticity of the story as reported by the other two papers ..... even if it is stuffed to the gunnels with ifs, buts, mights, and understoods. Interesting to see that Broadcast has an additional take on it though.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“this maybe something that only Broadcast readers only really care about, but when making cuts to the BBC, I would rather the cuts were not done based on what is an inhouse production and what isnt, money spent in the indepedent sector, should not be seen as more important than that spent in house.”
“this maybe something that only Broadcast readers only really care about, but when making cuts to the BBC, I would rather the cuts were not done based on what is an inhouse production and what isnt, money spent in the indepedent sector, should not be seen as more important than that spent in house.”
Agreed.
Narrative repeats of peak time viewing has to be the way forward, and according to another forum this is another idea which is under consideration. I think the majority of BBC2's programming between 7-10pm would be suitable for daytime repeats, whilst the mornings could be filled with schools programmes - now wouldn't that be a novel idea!
Anything has to be better than relaying BBC News, which is about the worst idea possible, and I'll be amazed if it went ahead. Bringing back the testcard would be prefable - or seeing as analogue teletext is closing, what about classic 'Pages from Ceefax'?!
Anything has to be better than relaying BBC News, which is about the worst idea possible, and I'll be amazed if it went ahead. Bringing back the testcard would be prefable - or seeing as analogue teletext is closing, what about classic 'Pages from Ceefax'?!
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Ah, yet another "I don't like it/don't watch it so it should not be shown" opinions, an opinion that doesn't actually address the question in any real and practical way.
BTW, I am not aware of too many post-watershed programmes along the lines of "Random Z-list Celeb pisses about in the kitchen for an hour"”
“Ah, yet another "I don't like it/don't watch it so it should not be shown" opinions, an opinion that doesn't actually address the question in any real and practical way.
BTW, I am not aware of too many post-watershed programmes along the lines of "Random Z-list Celeb pisses about in the kitchen for an hour"”
Well, post 9pm narrows it down, but there's plenty between 8-9. However, you could bump Bigface and his universe stuff down to 8pm and put Being Human at 9pm. Close down BBC3 and then.... oh no, there'd be no space in the schedule for "F-Off I'm Ginger". How would we cope?!
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“this maybe something that only Broadcast readers only really care about, but when making cuts to the BBC, I would rather the cuts were not done based on what is an inhouse production and what isnt, money spent in the indepedent sector, should not be seen as more important than that spent in house.”
“this maybe something that only Broadcast readers only really care about, but when making cuts to the BBC, I would rather the cuts were not done based on what is an inhouse production and what isnt, money spent in the indepedent sector, should not be seen as more important than that spent in house.”
They could easily make cuts to BBC News - at no point in the day does the channel need to be presented by two people.
I really don't understand the need to show the news channel. Why not use some other broadcasters material to fill the time. There is great, cheap programming out there from people such as Deutche Welle, or the VOA, or NHK that could be rebroadcast through the day. Or they could buy in some of the documentary programming from Current TV.
Slot that around the Daily Politics and a few repeats from BBC 4 and it would make a more stimulating alternative to the antiques shows currently there.
Slot that around the Daily Politics and a few repeats from BBC 4 and it would make a more stimulating alternative to the antiques shows currently there.
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“They could easily make cuts to BBC News - at no point in the day does the channel need to be presented by two people.”
“They could easily make cuts to BBC News - at no point in the day does the channel need to be presented by two people.”
outside of primetime you may have a point, but its wide spread within the news industry to have two, I assume there is a good reason for that.
Originally Posted by richjj1978:
“I really don't understand the need to show the news channel. Why not use some other broadcasters material to fill the time. There is great, cheap programming out there from people such as Deutche Welle, or the VOA, or NHK that could be rebroadcast through the day. Or they could buy in some of the documentary programming from Current TV.”
“I really don't understand the need to show the news channel. Why not use some other broadcasters material to fill the time. There is great, cheap programming out there from people such as Deutche Welle, or the VOA, or NHK that could be rebroadcast through the day. Or they could buy in some of the documentary programming from Current TV.”
How cheap is cheap (especially in comparison to output that is already being budgeted for and broadcast)? And would imported content such as that reflect less well on the BBC in that some people would see it as relying too much on non-BBC content rather than original, home-grown content (even if it did not threaten to blow the BBC's quota for imported material). It's a difficult one.
Quote:
“Slot that around the Daily Politics and a few repeats from BBC 4 and it would make a more stimulating alternative to the antiques shows currently there.”
“Slot that around the Daily Politics and a few repeats from BBC 4 and it would make a more stimulating alternative to the antiques shows currently there.”
Stimulating for those more interested in world affairs/current affairs from a different perspective than the existing "antiques shows currently there" (although I am not that sure that the whole BBC2 Daytime output consists of such shows).
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“outside of primetime you may have a point, but its wide spread within the news industry to have two, I assume there is a good reason for that.”
“outside of primetime you may have a point, but its wide spread within the news industry to have two, I assume there is a good reason for that.”
Which is...?
Originally Posted by Robert Williams:
“Narrative repeats of peak time viewing has to be the way forward, and according to another forum this is another idea which is under consideration. I think the majority of BBC2's programming between 7-10pm would be suitable for daytime repeats, whilst the mornings could be filled with schools programmes - now wouldn't that be a novel idea!
Anything has to be better than relaying BBC News, which is about the worst idea possible, and I'll be amazed if it went ahead. Bringing back the testcard would be prefable - or seeing as analogue teletext is closing, what about classic 'Pages from Ceefax'?!”
“Narrative repeats of peak time viewing has to be the way forward, and according to another forum this is another idea which is under consideration. I think the majority of BBC2's programming between 7-10pm would be suitable for daytime repeats, whilst the mornings could be filled with schools programmes - now wouldn't that be a novel idea!
Anything has to be better than relaying BBC News, which is about the worst idea possible, and I'll be amazed if it went ahead. Bringing back the testcard would be prefable - or seeing as analogue teletext is closing, what about classic 'Pages from Ceefax'?!
”
I agree - narrative repeats, perhaps combined with some BBC Knowledge type programming (the kind that didn't make it to BBC4) would be a cheap and easy way to fill BBC2 daytime. I know older people in my family who complain good programmes are on after they've gone to bed, daytime repeats would go down very well (many older folk aren't competent with PVRs etc).
I wouldn't advocate a simulcast for a big proportion of the day. If that's the only option then give us a testcard and at least the free bits could boost picture quality elsewhere.
"How cheap is cheap (especially in comparison to output that is already being budgeted for and broadcast)? And would imported content such as that reflect less well on the BBC in that some people would see it as relying too much on non-BBC content rather than original, home-grown content (even if it did not threaten to blow the BBC's quota for imported material). It's a difficult one."
It's difficult to say how cheap it would be. However as the broadcasters I have mentioned are international broadcasters funded by other governments they would probably be glad of the airtime.
It's difficult to say how cheap it would be. However as the broadcasters I have mentioned are international broadcasters funded by other governments they would probably be glad of the airtime.
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Which is...?”
“Which is...?”
im not overly sure, variety being the spice of life and all.
2 of 7
