I think we should be grateful to have too such good females neck-and-neck in the same series. In previous series, there was one outstanding female and that was it. Maybe we should just sit back and praise both of them, make comparisons of their respective strengths and weaknesses and leave it at that; and not get nasty.

I think there are some posters on here that need to realise two things, this is not just the Laura and Chloe show and they are only making themselves look foolish when they insult either one of them from a personal standpoint both in terms of look and personality.

I like both girls and a little bit of rivalry is healthy as it pushes the pair of them.

Overall, I've prefered more of Laura's routines, but lately I've been more impressed by Chloe's.

What puts me off a bit is when Laura is given "sacred victim status" here. She shouldn't be above criticism.

I don't think anyone has suggested this, but when people make personal insulting comments they are only making themselves look stupid.

I hope Laura or Chloe finish one or two with Sam third. Jeff Brazier is now such a big head he needs to go before Johnson

tbh Sid I think it's the other way around - say one word which Chloe's fans interpret as criticism and just wait for the wrath of God to descend on the unfortunate poster; accompanied by yet more insults directed at Laura and her supporters.

No one should be beyond criticism and that includes Chloe.

'Tis true. There were nasty comments about Laura's legs, saying she looked like she had tree trunks. But no-one is nasty about Chloe's nose, which could be a target for personal nasty comments.

It would be much better if people just criticised the skating. For instance, I still think Chloe's arms need more work, to give her a fully graceful presence. About Laura's routine last night, two of the moves we had seen before, the pull-through and the backflip, but Laura's performance skills very good as usual.

It will all be nothing anyway as Sam will probably win.

Personally, I think the rivalry is good for the show. Sam has been proficient since day one which isn't always a good thing in terms of votes..

Laura excels in tricks, lifts and performance whereas Chloe's strengths are her speed across the ice, and technical prowess. Chloe is warmer and that comes across during her routines. Laura's transitions are better, IMO.

Personality always plays a part and in that respect Chloe's the best kid there.

I think it's wonderful that there are two excellent female skaters this year. Bring on an all girl final two I say.

I'm with you Mr Fox

Totally agree with the OP - I love both girls and would be delighted to see them both in the final. To me Chloe, Laura & Sam are pretty even in terms of ability and they all excel in different ways. I think its great that this year's competition is so open, and I'd be more than happy with any of those three winning it.

I don't think any of that (underlined) is right.

If it were about what T&D are putting into the routines, I might agree; but if it's supposed to be about what they're good at, no. Chloe wasn't faster or better technically. If she is (or seems to be) now, it's because T&D are letting her show what she can do, and giving her opportunities to develop her skills, in those areas.

(I said way back at the start that I thought T&D might wreck Laura's chances putting too much emphasis on lifts, and not giving her enough skating, and I think that's how it's turning out. Chloe gets better, more 'balanced' routines, and if that goes on long enough, then naturally she will become better at some things than Laura. Whether we've already reached that point, though, is not yet clear.)

I certainly don't think Chloe is warmer. I can't even guess why anyone would think she was warmer. If anything, Chloe seems less warm (I'd say cooler, except that might be misunderstood), though not in a bad way.

Do Chloe and Laura see each other as rivals? It seems to be a forum thing to me. Somehow, as Chloe became more popular (after being OTT disliked at the start because she wasn't a "celebrity", etc), her popularity seemed to become entangled with dislike for Laura.

Anyway, I prefer Chloe's routines, but that's quite different from thinking she is better than Laura. (See the post above.)


Hmm. I think the term "sacred victim" is one I introduced (during Big Brother 11), and I didn't mean they were above criticism from forum-members. It was about how housemates treated each other and how viewers (including forum-members) reacted to that.

To address some of your points Veri; no, the rivalry is not just a forum thing. Chloe stated she wanted to "Kick Laura's butt up and down the rink" in the team skate, though this was said in a VT and it's safe to say this could have been manipulated.

On the subject of choreography given by T and D, didn't Robin say that Chloe's routine on Saturday was easily the toughest he'd seen a female contestant take on?

Lifts and tricks win votes, which Laura obviously needs. Perhaps that's why her routines have been heavy in that respect in the last couple of weeks.

When it comes to personality it's tricky to be objective. IMO, Chloe comes across as self-deprecating, effusive and warm. I like her. *shrug*

Laura's spin was fantastic. They should put that in a routine for her and some more technical stuff.

Yes, I agree, T & D are letting laura down.

IMO both Laura and Chloe are actually similar when it comes to looks and personality. Both seem nice, bubbly with similar attractiveness. They both seem to be getting on very well with their partners, and they both seem to put in a lot of work (as do most people this year).

I took Chloe's comment about kicking Laura's bottom etc. as tongue in cheek.

I cannot comment on who is the better skater in technical terms, because I just don't know anything about ice skating. Going by their positions on the leader board this week, they seem to be close enough.

I'm not disappointed if either of them wins it, and IMO they both should stay in a little bit longer (maybe to the finale). Whether the voting public will go along with that is another matter.

There was competition between the teams (and there were similar quotes from other people). I think the competition aspect was exaggerated in the way it was presented, but in any case, it's pretty clear who your rival's supposed to be when there's only one other team.

But none of that means Laura and Chloe see themselves as rivals.


No. He said "From a choreographic point of view, and the choreographer, (and?) Chris, can correct me if I'm wrong, that has to be one of the most difficult routines that any female celebrity has had in six years of this show." "One of the most", not "easily the".

But it's interesting -- from the POV of how judges' comments can influence viewers -- that someone remembers it as "easily the".

Now, it seems to me that T&D have steadily been giving Chloe routines that would build up her skills in precisely the area where her solo skills shone in this routine: step sequences.

There's only so much time for practice and rehearsal. Contestants can't do much to build up skills that aren't featured in their routines. And I've thought from the start that the routines they've been giving Laura were wasting Laura's potential as a skater. Chloe may end up the better skater (if she isn't already), but if so, I think that's the main reason why.

The powers that be seem to have decided to type Laura as the performer and Chloe as the skater, unfortunately.


It's not at all clear that lifts and tricks win votes. Especially when they result in a routine that looks too much like a bunch of lifts and tricks stuck together.

Besides, my point isn't only (or especially) about the last couple of weeks. I've been making that point since the start.


I like Chloe too.

Edit: and I agree with lach doch mal that "Laura and Chloe are actually similar when it comes to looks and personality".

I'm not sure they do. If that were the case then Bonnie would have won series 1 hands down. In fact people often get irritated if there are too many lifts in routines.

Yes I'd love to see that again. Her spin was better than any I've seen from a female skater on the show, Hayley included.

That is so far from the truth. Laura is worshipped on here, to the point that people actually think she's better than Sam.

I didn't like Laura BEFORE I wanted Chloe to win.

Sam has been consistantly better but Laura is certainly catching up fast. She's topped the leaderboard twice now.

Which is a view people are entitled to have. Anyway I think whilst people recognise Sam's skating skills (though for me they are nowhere near as good as the likes of Ray, Chris or Kyran) a lot of the Sam criticism is about performance & his lack of on ice chemistry with Brianne.

You are right about the Robin quote - I think he meant its up there with Music and Clare's best for difficulty or complexity.

Some differences are pretty inevitable and others seem to be - at least in Tand D think . Laura is the same height as Clare and 3" taller than Hayley and Suzanne who were both 5-1 . Chloe is 5-8 - more like Zoe, on 5-7, and Jessica who was also 5-8. Laura is getting routines more like Clare's and has yet to get one as well written as Hayley's or Suzanne's best. Chloe is getting a more ambitious version of what Jessica and Zoe used to get, and some of the best choregraphy of the series so far. Laura is a bit stuck as whatever she does has been seen in shorter girls routines before. She's also got pressure from Chloe who is doing some big slower lifts and more pressure from Sam, Jeff and Johnson as they are all able to do some too - which is pretty unique for DOI. The net result is that Laura gets asked to compete eevn more directly with what the pro females are doing.

Basically I think Laura needs a Jai Ho or a Music quality routine and the right big move to hit the wow factor button for votes . Chloe is exploring new territory and already has the basis of one winnng routine.