Well if being compared to an insect, a tree trunk and a mouse is an expression of adoration I need to relearn my vocabulary.

'worshipped', I don't think so Laura IS better than Sam overall, Sam is a great skater but can he dance and performed well, imo he can't.

The insect, mouse and tree trunk stuff about Laura was unbelievably offensive. Nothing to do with skating or performance, just personal abuse.

Well, two weeks' worth of judges scores would indicate that she has been better on some occasions

The problem is all this absolutist stuff from people with a personal dislike - if you like Laura, you can't like Chloe, if Sam's great then Laura must be rubbish, etc etc etc.

All I see are four people (I'd include Jeff) skating their butts off to produce content-filled, character-driven, well-performed and graceful routines every week. In fact, make that five - I'd hardly say Johnson wasn't trying to do all those things.

Sometimes one prevails, sometimes another, but it's the same for professional sportsmen - just because one often wins doesn't mean their competitors are no good.

Like it's been said before that's tame to some of the personal comments posted on DS ...... if people can't tollerate it then DS should probably be avoiced

I've seen a lot of posts mentioning the size of Chloe's nose .. you yourself petertart posted this in this thread implying that Chloe has a large nose and questioning why people aren't critcising her for it which in itself isn't exactly nice


Then we have this post about Chlo


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...4&postcount=15

and there's many more personal insults about her dotted about the forum

Sam has also had his fair share of personal criticism throughout the thread and Jeff even has a thread dedicated to him being an arrogant "g*t"


Denise has also come in for a lot of non skating related criticism including being called a drunken slapper numerous times

So please let's not think that Laura is the ony "victim" of abusive posts on here


For me personaly there are 3 good skaters left in the competition .. Sam, Chloe and Laura .. and Jeff has improved a lot so he's worthy of a top 4 slot

as to who's the best skater and who performs the best, for me that's all down to personal preference (even the judges will have preferences)

Agree 100%.

Please correct me if I am wrong, petertard..Didn't you say in another thread words to the effect of .... 'you didn't think slating Chloes's lisp was as nasty as slating Laura's appearance'?

I apologise if I have the wrong poster.

I don't care enough about anyone enough to vote for them, first of all.
Having said that, when the series started I wasn't interested in Chloe because I am fed up with nepotism. And to be honest a lot of the people on it have a very loose claim to celebrity - actually, chloe, sam and laura are among the worst.

But for some reason I've gradually liked laura less - despite being good- and liked chloe a bit more, even though it is infuriating that she is famous for being richard and judy's daughter. But at least I know who she is - Laura, on the other hand, I sort of feel that she doesn't deserve to be in a show featuring celebrities

To be honest, I think the reason they are pitted against each other is because they are both good skaters, but whereas Chloe is getting better, Laura comes across as a goody two shoes. I think that's why some people can't take to her. It feels like she has been forced upon us as a celebrity. Sorry I feel bad for saying it as she is a good skater and I enjoy watching her routines, this is just based on how she comes across on the show because that's all I have to judge on.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. However, isn't Laura a children's presenter? In which case, she fully deserves the celebrity status (even if she might not be known to a adult audience).

I also don't think she comes across as goody two shoes, she just seems bubbly and gets on with it (like Chloe).

Just more thinly veiled criticism disguised with feint praise by Madeley supporters? Personally I’ve never liked people that take the lazy route i.e. neopotism and Chloe’s pre DOI fame was founded on nothing but chance (being born a Madeley) not hard work - I had no idea who she was (nor Laura) as I never watched Richard & Judy, even though their overbearing personalities have been forced on the public through various daytime forms of media over the last couple of decades. On one hand you say that Chloe is getting better (but so is Laura) and then you go on to say Laura comes across as a goody two shoes – which doesn’t actually form any meaningful sentence. I feel like Chloe is being forced on me as a celebrity and I’d rather she tried to forge a career of her own in a different field rather than piggybacking her parents career. Horses for courses. I'll make no comment about Chloe's personality as you cannot judge from the small clips we've seen (both good and bad) and from what I've read in the media, any comments on personality are speculative/guesswork unless you know them personally.

and again another post having a dig at Chloe's supporters

This forum is for opinions (both negative or positive) about the show and the skaters .. not about the forum members, individually or as a fan base

antagonising and baiting supporters of a certain contestant is against the forum terms and conditions and the above part of your post is obviously gong to provoke a reaction from Chloe supporters that just fuels the "fanwars"

Take a look at the post I was responding too diamond1 before commenting on my post. I was responding to a post which was antagonistic. I said one sentence didn't make sense and it didn't, maybe they would care to clarify - that is not baiting or antagonistic. The post I was responding to was obviously intended 'to provoke a reaction from Laura supporters that just fuels the "fanwars". Is it acceptable for Chloe fans to bait and antagonise and for this to go unquestionned, that sounds like double standards.


Thanks

I did read the post you were responding too .. and I agree that it is obvious that it would provke a response from Laura fans ... but the difference is that that post was criticising Laura and giving the posters reasons .. you post was having a go at other forum members as a group (ie Chloe supporters) ... and like I said in my post I thought that these forums were for opinions (positive or negative) about the show/skaters and not for having a dig at forum members as individuals as groups

If people want to diss Chloe then that's their right on a discussion forum, just like it's anyone's right to diss any of the contestants .. and then the supporters of that artists obviously will respond and defend them as part of the discussion . . it's when the forum members/fans of a particular act are dissed where I feel the provocation ventures into the grey area of breaking terms and conditions


Edit ... and thanks for the pm but having a go at me via pm telling me to "give it a rest" doesn't help

If it (their post) isn't thinly veiled criticism disguised with feint praise, how would you describe that post (this is not personal or insulting as the person is a Chloe fan - there seems to be a pattern of behaviour emerging whereby some cannot praise Chloe without criticising Laura)? I criticised Chloe and gave clear reasons. I said one of the sentences didn't make sense and it didn't. I'm failing to see what exactly it is you are taking issue with here and why it often seems to be those who defend a particular contestant?

Children!,Children!. Calm down.
This is just turning into tit for tat contest, not unlike playground behaviour.
Let's all agree to differ on this occasion and become friends.

I'm a Chloe fan but I really appreciate Laura too.
I've liked Chloe from the outset but have warmed to Laura over the series.
I think the Chloe and Laura rivalry is the best thing about DOI this year.
Two lovely girls Two wonderful skaters Hopefully two fabulous boleros
I'd love to see Chloe win but I'd be the first to congratulate Laura if she lifts the trophy.

I agree with you. But I don't like being accused of antagonising posters when I have simply responded in kind. The source of the fan wars are those who make unfounded comments and praise their favourite while insisting on criticising another contestant. To be honest I find this whole thread deeply insulting to the other contestants as they are all (5 contestants) rivals with one another, their are more than two contestants in this show.

Based on skating anyone one of Sam, Laura or Chloe would be a deserving winner. However I still think that JB is a contender if he gets through to the final.

Jeezo JonasBerg, so she was born a Madeley. It isn't exactly her fault!

Where do you think the likes of The late Caron Keating, Claudia Winkleman, Kely Osbourne, Zoe Ball, Stella Macartney, Emma Forbes, Jade Jagger all got their TV / Media break from?

Perhaps, maybe, probably, more than likely, most definitely because they too have famous parents...

I have to admit also, I have / had no idea who Laura is, but I do know who Chloe is, and yes it's because of her Parents, just like a helluva load more out there in the 'spotlight' because of who they were born to.

Nepotism is rife in the Media......She may be R&J's Daughter, but she is now a 'celeb' in her own right ( as they all are ) by being on the show, and she's doing brilliantly on it ( imho ) of course.

I am not a fan of anybody I said that at the beginning - although I have liked Laura less as the series has gone on. I am entitled to not be a fan of hers. I gave my reasons why I think, perhaps, others do not like her. I think this is fair enough - people vote based on these perceptions, there is not other way around it. That's just how it works, personality comes into it - or at least the personality that comes across in the short time they are on TV.

If you read my post again you will see I am not a Chloe FAN either, just giving honest reasons why I think Laura may not be as popular as some people want her to be. I think they will get compared because they are both good, young, female skaters. What on earth is antagonistic about that?

Just because I had the guts to be honest about why I don't like a skater, whether you think the reason is stupid or not. It's sharing a view, I wasn't being mean to anyone.

Yes she is doing very well on the show. But I hate neopotism, for me it can be quite indicative of a flawed character. Whilst she didn't 'choose' to be a Madeley she did choose her career, I can't buy into the idea that out of all the career options available she just happened to follow her parents by coincidence rather than the fact that it was an easy option and she would be able to exploit an established network of connections gained by her parents - to me it just seems lazy. I know there are numerous examples but just because its rife it doesn't make it right.

I support your right to post your opinions, however (in reponse to diamond1 also) if you post them on a public forum people also have the right to question those opinions. Otherwise you might as well just post them on a public blog and not allow any comments.

Did the likes ot Karen Keating etc need to appear on a RTV show to get famous?

this is very true ... I understand that Jeff Brazier was first on our TV during Castaway but I didn't watch that show so the first I heard of him was when he got togethr with Jade and I guess that's how a lot of other people heard of him rather than some of the TV work he's done .. also Ellen was only there because of her ex Frank Lampard

actually the only one of them who I hadn't heard of is Laura and that's because I don't watch Nickelodeon

As long as they're reasonable skaters or give it a good shot then I'm not bohered about how big their celebrity credentials are ..it's not the kind of show that's going to book a whole bunch of A listers

The point I was making was all those I mentioned ALSO got their breaks in TV / Media because of being the off-spring of 'Famous Parents'
Would you not say so?