The poster was responding to a post which was saying that Chloe had taken the easy option by following her parents into the media (she's done some presenting work and seems to want to have a media career) .. not people using reality shows to get into the media

Personally I don't see anything wrong with it it's the same with Actors/Actresses or musicians following their famous parents into the business

and doesn't it often happen in "normal" life that kids follow their parents into the same line of work at times .. especally where family businesses are concerned . so I'm not surprised Choe wants to go into the media as a career seeing as she's been brought up around it .. I know that it's nepotism but she isn't the only one to have gone down that route

You explain it much better than I can, diamond.lol. Thank you

My point was that they didn't have to lower themselves to do a reality TV show in order to achieve celeb status, you know like the Jades and Jeffs of this world.

lol ...no probs .. must admit that I wasn't enthusiastic about the whole line up when it was first announced and after the first week I thought it was probably going to be a one horse race for Sam .. but it's turned out that there's a few pretty good skaters to make it more interesting

Stella McCartney made her name as a fashion designer and it's in that field that she has made her mark.

Moreover she didn't get where she is solely on the coat tails of her father and his famous friends - she actually grafted to complete her qualifications before graduating from her fashion designer course at St Martins, London.

Stella carved out her reputation with true talent - recognition of which rests solely on the commercial success of her designs. If her creations failed to sell no one in the industry would employ her - famous name or not.

I'm not a fan of Chloe's parents but at least they served their apprenticeship in the media. Richard gradually worked his way up from a junior reporter on local newspapers before moving into television and via a variety of local news programmes became a household name with This Morning.

Judy graduated from one of Britain's top universities (Bristol) before stints as a researcher and reporter eventually led to This Morning; so credit where due, they didn't achieve success via any shortcuts.

Had Chloe been prepared to put in the spadework before launching herself on the media she might have succeeded - we'll never know.

but how many of those other names listed didn't do their apprenticeships in the media either . I'm sure Chloe isn't the only one

also .. I know that Stella McCartney put in her training for fashion design but again how much of her success is down to her family name .. we can't know that as the McCartney name no doubt will have opened some doors for her

Chloe is not the only one - and undoubtedly the McCartney name opened doors for Stella - but once through those doors she had to prove herself and she did.

Would you buy Stella's High Street designs because of her surname?

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

no but I'm sure there are some who would

I guess tt's the same with Chloe and if she ventures into the media ... I think she's coming over well on the show and on the intervews she's done on the TV about it but whether she can branch out into presenting herself is something we'll have to wait and see

I can just about remember her presenting Big Brother's Big Mouth with her brother and that wasn't great but there again she was a lot younger and the Big Brother Big Mouth audience and subject matter doesn't really lend itself to groundbreaking presenting or any control over anything .. lol

Following is fine. It's only if they get something because of their family connections (nepotism) that something is wrong.


It is not nepotism -- favouritism shown to relatives or close friends by those with power or influence -- for her to have a media career. It's nepotism if, for example, her father arranges for her to have the job, but if she has a media career without such help, no nepotism is involved.

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Whatever - it's not a matter of life or death.

I don't give a damn about those who have been, wanna be, never were or never will be.

I enjoy Laura's performances and like the fact that her progress to date has been down to her own talen and hard work.The exposure may help to further her media career - then again she might sink without trace.

To date, despite opportunities, Chloe has failed to benefit from parental advantage .If she has any talent I'd like to see her shed the nepotism and work her way up from scratch - though I hold out little hope after readingthat her aspirations are to go down the Peaches Geldof route


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you're being pedantic .... there's no way of knowing whether those children following in their parent's footsteps get specific jobs or opportunities because of their parents calling in favours or putting in a good word so it's difficult to judge

I'm a big Chloe fan but none of us know how she got the gig .. was she approached direct, did she approach the bookers, did the producers contact Richard & Judy, did Richard & Judy contact the producers

none of us know for sure ... either way I'm pleased she's on the show as I'm really enjoying watching her skate

Don't want to be too hard on Chloe. She has had some nasty comments about her, they found some. I think she is redeeming herself from the silly car-crashing girl into something better. She gave up smoking last year on Celebrity Quitters, got herself super-fit after getting that tar out of her heart and lungs, and now is skating really well. It's an amazing turnaround year for her. She also knows that being the daughter of Richard and Judy is a dead weight about her neck; but despite that seems quite popular. Being their daughter is as much a burden as a door-opener.

That's interesting. So people can call whatever they want "nepotism" and no one can point out that it isn't, on pain of being dissed as "pedantic".

Didn't you point out earlier today that these forums are "not for having a dig at forum members as individuals as groups"?


Often, it is known. But if we don't know, perhaps we should hold off from calling it nepotism.

when dd she say she want's to go down the Peaches Geldorf route? ..

But "Laura comes across as a goody two shoes" is just your personal opinion. It doesn't explain anything.

(Even if others have the same opinion, until we see an explanation of why they have it, we won't know why Laura isn't "as popular as some people want her to be.")

to be honest I've lost the plot of what the whole conversation was about in the first place

and apologies for calling you pedantic

Peter sorry to shatter the illusion but its widely known that Chloe is smoking again (probably due to DOI stress), not that this makes her a bad person.

Totally agree with this. I want Jeff out soon, very soon, and Chloe or Laura to pip Sam.

Yes, Stella Macartney graduated alongside a whole lot of Designers, and guess who got the 'coveted' position in the House of Chloe?
Can you not remember the Nepotism accusations about it were wild at the time?

Perhaps Chloe Madeley will prove she, like Stella after 'using' their Parents names to get 'known', can go on and be known for her 'own' status, I hope so.

Then it seems a fag is Chloe's prop. Oh well, she might go on a Celebrity Quitters follow-up.

Stella McCartney is where she is mostly because of her name, in my opinion. I'm not saying she doesn't work hard or isn't good. But to get that job, she would have to show she was a good designer. For a regular person to get that job, they would have to prove they were outstanding, above and beyond everyone else. That's the difference. If you are a moderately talented child of a famous person you can go far. Of course a fashion house would want the daughter of Paul McCartney working for them. That's life.

I would be happy with a Chloe, Laura and Sam final with either of the girls winning. I can't decide who is best, Chloe or Laura

Had Chloe completed her training and education instead of dropping out of college after only one term she may have been better equipped to take advantage of the opportunities she's been given to date. Some think Stella's initial appointment at House of Chloe was due to the McCartney name but rather than nepotism they believe it was a ploy by the fashion house to generate publicity.

Whatever the reason talent and training equipped her with the ability to use the opportunities granted to her to succeed.

She's had collaborations with a number of influential artists, designers and corporations - none would risk their reputations had Stella not demonstrated that extra something that manifests itself into international success.

She joined forces with Adidas in 2004 and as she is still designing for them I think it's fair to assume that her venture into sportswear has been an outstanding success - sufficient to see her charged with designing the sportswear for the 2012 British Olympic and Paralympic teams.

Chloe Madeley is still young enough to address the problems that are evident from lack of training and unlike many who are trying to make their way in the same industry she could do so without any financial pressure instead of looking for instant success on the back of her parents name.

So how do you explain her international success since then - do you really Gucci, Adidas etc. would compromise their reputations because of Chloe's surname?

No doubt the name helped at the start - but it was then up to her to prove herself worthy of the opportunities.

Furthermore accusations of nepotism left her wide open to far more scrutiny and criticism than her fellow graduates.

Getting to the top is one thing - staying there requires talent and hard work.

Sure, in some cases, but the majority of people wouldn't even get the chance in the first place.