Nobody's saying that Stella isn't good at what she's done or that she hasn't done the training .. but the queston is still, would she have got the opportunities and breaks she's got if it weren't for the McCartney name .... none of us know that for sure, but it can't be ruled out

As for Chloe . she's spoken in the past of the advantages and disadvantages of having "famous" parents and I'm sure she's also aware that she's lucky both financially and opportunity wise ... she won't be the first person to get into media work without relevant College/University training ..like in a lot of professions opportunities sometimes come your way via who you know not what you know ... not exactly fair but it happens and Choe won't be unique in that (either for famous people or non famous people

At the moment she hasn't really done any current presenting work to judge her on so good luck to her if it happens and I'll wait and see what she does .. she may turn out to be good at it or she may be rubbish

You mentioned in an earlier post that you'd read that Chloe wanted to go down the Peaches Geldorf route and I asked where you'd read it as I was intersted (because I hope she doesn't go down that route as the Peaches Geldorf show is awful )

are you able to provide a link to the interview or say which publication so I can read it please?

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I presume you mean Stella not Chloe ..... but obviously you last point applies to any child of famous parents ... Chloe hasn't done much media work yet to prove herself worthy of opportunities .. although I think she's more than proved her worth as a contestant on Dancing On Ice


and judging from comment on this forum Chloe is under the same scrutiny now concerning nepotism and no doubt if/when she does do future work in the media she will be left open to extra scrutiny too

Just had a quick look at Stella's wikipedia entry and whilst I appreciate she did her apprenticeship it's very apparent that she had opportunities in her early career that she probably wouldn't have had if she wasn't the daughter of Paul McCartney

You're right of course, such confusion between Chloe M and House of Chlo.

Reading Chloe’s bio on wiki it seems to me she has already been given opportunities denied to other young people trying to break into the media, which so far she’s failed to turn into career opportunities. I don’t watch BB but I’d have thought the chance to present a spin off programme was great exposure for a young woman aiming for a media career; as was her roving reporter stint on This Morning; not to mention the underwear modelling she did and the newspaper column she wrote.

Perhaps these lost opportunities are the result of a lack of training and qualifications; who knows but a return to education might help to overcome her weaknesses.


I really don't think being the daughter of R&J invites the same scrutiny of Chloe as the relationship between Stella and Sir Paul - and the fact remains Stella was prepared to train first as an apprentice and then at college before attempting to break into fashion.

Chloe might be better than I and some others think - but she won't prove it by taking the easy option.

I do agree that she's proved herself a worthy ice dancing competitor - though I still don't consider her a celebrity; but that can be said of a number of contestants this year and in previous series.

Just read your latest post and whilst I agree that Chloe did have help on her way to establishing herself in fashion - she couldn't have done so had she not been prepared to build on the foundations of a qualification and apprenticeship.

Do you really think she'd be where she is today if she'd left college after one term?

By the age of 24 she had served her apprenticeship and graduated with a degree in fashion design - so yes she had some advantages, but she also made her own contribution to furthering her career.

I think it might be in Chloe's interests to do the same.

Absolutely. But I'm still pretty sure she wouldn't be an international fashion name today if she didn't make clothes that women want to wear.

Stella is an example of a real talent - being the child of a musician and a photographer, it's hardly unlikely that she wouldn't have ended up with creative genes - overshadowed by the name she carries round. An interview with Stella I read ages ago said she seriously thought of introducing herself as Stella Martin when she went to CSM to get away from it.

I think the skills involved in the kind of career that Chloe wants to carve out are harder to quantify and so harder to demonstrate to avoid the shouts of nepotism.

I have no idea .. perhaps she would .. although perhaps being a fashion designer is a career that requires training ... I doubt there are many top designers who haven't had some training in art or design ..... but i bet there are a lot of people with top presenting jobs who, like Choe didn't do specific training or compete college/university courses


It's obvious that Chloe's been a bit of a wild child in the past but if she wants a job in the media then good luck to her . whether she partakes in further training or not


sorry to keep asking the same question .. but do you have the link to where you read she wanted to go down the Peaches Geldorf route? ... thanks

Apologies - here is an extract from the article - followed by a link to the full article.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1GDCHdUZg

As you once asked me - didn't you believe me?

Totally agree ..nobody's arguing that ... I think the original points being raised were that there's probably been some sort of nepotism involved in the careers of a ot of children of famous parents and Stella McCartney (as good as she is) isn't exempt

I think it's interesting that a thread supposedly about the Laura - Chloe rivalry has instead gone back to the early attacks on Chloe for not being a proper celebrity and for benefiting from famous parents.

All of which should be irrelevant to their alleged rivalry in DOI. Or are they now supposed to be rivals as presenters too?

no t wasn't that I didn't believe you .. I was interested to read the article and as I'd asked you twice before for a link since yesterday and you hadn't responded I thought I'd ask again

Thanks for the link ... so it's an article from a year and a half ago when it appears she was going off the rails a bit? ... It seems like she's got herself back on track again so who knows if her career aspirations are the same now . although the actual quote is


I could be wrong but it's the newspaper that are making that quote out to be one of her ambitions not her .. she says "it makes me think I should" not "I want" .. and for all we know it could have been a tongue in cheek joke comment by Chloe

either way I hope she doesn't follow in the footstps of Paches as her new show is awful ... although I sense the quote was more about being a party girl than their actual media careers

Semantics - though like you I hope it's something she's thought through and decided it's not for her. As for tongue in cheek - we have evidence that she said it but none to suggest she wasn't serious so why use hypothesis to make that assumption?

People make out that Laura is Miss Goody Two Shoes; She Who Must Not Be Criticised etc. It seems to me those epithets apply more to Chloe - even posts that are not intended as negative are jumped on to deny or excuse the points being made.

I don't watch the type of programme wannabes like Ms. Geldof present - so I can only imagine how brain deadeningly awful it is.

btw I was at a funeral yesterday so googling for the link I quoted was not high on my list of priorities.

It is irrelevant really isn't it? FWIW I like them both as skaters.

Chloe cannot be Miss Goody Two Shoes if she's back on her ciggies. That's bad girl. Ice skating is something Richard and Judy can give her no help with.

Absolutely - being their daughter of R&J clearly got her into the competition but the progress she's shown is down to a natural aptitude.

Let's face it, people on here had written off Chloe before the contest even started, screaming nepotism, and assuming she had only got the gig because of her name. Then it turned out she could actually skate quite well and has continued to improve. So now they have decided that there is some great rivalry between her and Laura.
IMO whatever the reason any of them were invited to take part it is their performances that matter now and I think the three outstanding ones are Chloe, Laura and Sam and all the personal remarks about any of them will not make one jot of difference at the end of the day.

She did get the gig on the back of her parents name - but the talent she has shown is, as I've already said down to natural aptitude.

but we have no evidence to prove that she wasn't serious when she sad it . the artcle was a paper quoting another paper quotng Chloe ... so we can't really judge the quote in the context it was made . either way

people complain about Chloe being brought up in conversatoins about Laura so why brng Laura up in this convresation abou Chloe?

as for Chloe being being beyond criticsm ... Choe fans defend her just lke Laura fansdefend her ... it's the same with both girls .. Laura fans are just as quick to jump in and defend any Laura criticsim as Chloe fans are to defend her

personally I don't remember saying that Chloe was a saint ... in fact I've admitted that she's been a bit of a wild child in the past and that sh wasn't very good on Big Brother's Big Mouth so not every Chloe fan thinks she's little miss perfect

I don't remember anyone proclaiming Chloe was Miss Goody Two Shoes

and smoking doesn't make you a bad girl

Here's a thought. Is Chloe stronger than Laura ? A lot of Chloe's lifts require holding a position using her arms (which when she skates still need refinement in their movements, though improving), which needs a lot of strength. I noticed her impressive biceps when she was at the ballet school. Laura's tricks are things like the backflip, which seem more dependent on precision and momentum, that is motion. Any thoughts on this ?

Had Chloe been quoted as saying something that put her in a good light would you still suggest that perhaps she didn't mean it?


Just asking

Laura has done her fair share of more balance type lifts too I think.

it depends on how it's phrased and the context it was in .... I tend to take a lot of quotes in the papers with a pinch of salt anyway

I merely suggested that she could have been joking when she was quoted and it didn't necessarily mean that she was seriously conteplating becoming a party girl to get attention and make money ....

what are you trying to imply? ....just asking


If you're implying that I would only believe the good and deny the bad then you're wrong .. I didn't say I didn't believe it .. I merely pointed out that without reading the context of the full interview the quote was taken from then who knows if it was said serously or in jest/sarcasm

whilst they will have to have stong arms for some of the lifts most of the lifts rely on strong core/stomach muscles so they've both probably worked on strengthening them up

from what I've seen it seems that Chloe does more of the adagio type balance lifts (the ones where she's upside down and moving from one balance position into another) and Laura does more of the tricks .. back flips, wrist ripper, shoulder lifts etc ... probably because Michael seems to be more of a balletic adagio skater and Colin seems to be more of the traditiona show skater .. so a lot of their lifts will be choreographed to Michael and Colin's strengths too

Just a guess

It seems Chloe has been suffering from panic attacks before performances, but is now getting help and treatment for this problem and is getting on top of it.

I think you've got it spot on in that second paragraph, a lot of the differences in style are determined by Michael and Colin.