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Humax should help the people making improvements to the HDR
Excellent progress is being made adding features to the Humax HDR.
In addition to the work done so far, if 'they' make it so that you can edit the channel list details, and the changes don't get overwritten the Humax HDR will become a really good box. I like the idea of just pressing '1' to get BBC1; getting rid of the 5.1 sound on BBC HD, and being able to easily switch to FTA French channels. I think that Humax should help this work. Michael Chare |
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I think the "Freesat" spec specifies certain items a box should do and should not do.
Thus if Humax such user friendly changes they may get in trouble. Automan. |
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Excellent progress is being made adding features to the Humax HDR.
In addition to the work done so far, if 'they' make it so that you can edit the channel list details, and the changes don't get overwritten the Humax HDR will become a really good box. I like the idea of just pressing '1' to get BBC1; getting rid of the 5.1 sound on BBC HD, and being able to easily switch to FTA French channels. I think that Humax should help this work. Michael Chare |
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Excellent progress is being made adding features to the Humax HDR.
In addition to the work done so far, if 'they' make it so that you can edit the channel list details, and the changes don't get overwritten the Humax HDR will become a really good box. I like the idea of just pressing '1' to get BBC1; getting rid of the 5.1 sound on BBC HD, and being able to easily switch to FTA French channels. I think that Humax should help this work. Michael Chare Clem |
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Just use a good quality FTA box instead -- this won't be constrained by the Freesat spec.
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Why get rid of 5.1 on BBC HD ??
Interestingly, Windows 7, Windows Media Player can be configured to output stereo LPCM for the BBC HD satellite channels. |
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Because my hifi equipment is stereo and does not accept the 5.1 digital coding via S/PDIF.
Interestingly, Windows 7, Windows Media Player can be configured to output stereo LPCM for the BBC HD satellite channels. So because your equipment isn't up to it,then nobody else should have it either!! Selfish and childish!!
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Apart from which there is already an option built in to the box to "get rid of" DD5.1 should you wish to.
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Because my hifi equipment is stereo and does not accept the 5.1 digital coding via S/PDIF.
When I had a VM+ box at my last address, I was able to configure the box to output PCM. It's not possible with Freesat. Chris. |
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There is NO option in the menu of the Freesat box to turn off DD5.1
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The Humax Foxsat HDR? There certainly is such an option. Whether it works or not or does not do what I thought it does is another question as I have had no need to try turning it off. But of course you can connect your stereo amp up using the SCART out or phono out to avoid it or even use the phono out connections from your TV set.
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Did you not spot that this is a thread about the Humax box? The TV phono out connection option should still work for you regardless.
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Did you not spot that this is a thread about the Humax box? The TV phono out connection option should still work for you regardless.
I should have read the title of this thread ![]() Chris. |
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Now why did I know that would be your answer?
So because your equipment isn't up to it,then nobody else should have it either!! Selfish and childish!! ![]() I just wish to configure my box to ouput normal LPCM stereo, that appears to be trasmitted on the UK HD channels. |
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Did you not spot that this is a thread about the Humax box? The TV phono out connection option should still work for you regardless.
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How do you imagine Humax would be able to extract LPCM stereo from the broadcast DD5.1 audio signal without doing any form of conversion would work then?
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I have a s/pdif from my hdr and a second from my Sony TV to my AV amp
I have wireless headphones connected to zone 3 out on the AV amp. These only works when the s/pdif is getting lpcm and not DD. If I want to listen to a BBC-HD channel using headphones I simply switch to the TV audio input. (The TV downmixes DD on it's hdmi inputs to lpcm stereo on it's s/pdif output). The menu option on the hdr does not appear to force lpcm on it's s/pdif output, maybe it only works on the hdmi connection for tv's unable to handle DD. |
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I have not suggested that you or anyone else should not be able to use 5.1 sound.
I just wish to configure my box to ouput normal LPCM stereo, that appears to be trasmitted on the UK HD channels. |
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How do you imagine Humax would be able to extract LPCM stereo from the broadcast DD5.1 audio signal without doing any form of conversion would work then?
It's pretty basic functionality. I bet it'll be there in the hardware. Just needs a menu option - as others have said, most DVD players can do this. Cheers, David. |
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It already decodes and downmixes the 5.1 track to output in stereo over SCART. It will feed the SCART output from a D>A converter (DAC) - the signal that's currently fed into the DAC just needs to be routed to the SPDIF output too.
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But the OP's DAC/amp cannot handle DD5.1 input so they would need it to be downmixed (ie converted) prior to it being fed to the SPDIF output which is not what they want as they have spent a pretty penny on their DAC and do not want to see their money wasted by having the Humax do the job instead which they worry may not do the job as well. They would be just as unhappy with the DVD players you mention doing any audio signal processing before it reached their precious DAC.
"they would need it to be downmixed (ie converted)" - no, downmixing and D>A conversion are entirely unrelated. It makes perfect sense to keep the signal in the digital domain for as long as possible. It makes perfect sense to use a high quality DAC in an external device instead of the standard DAC in the SOC in the STB. I'm not saying you can definitely hear a difference in quality, but the possibility is there. Cheers, David. |
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Downmixing is still a form of conversion even though it remains in the digital domain.
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The BBC-HD channels have a mp2 track that you can select bit it's audio described. As the source isn't that brilliant I doubt you would notice any difference by simply using the hdr's analogue outputs. I certainly can't despite using decent Senhheiser phones and a £1000 plus AV amp.
I tried to edit Mogie's .fcl file with debug so that I could try and change the BBC 1 HD APID but the file is to big for debug. I am looking for am editor I could do this with? Whether I could hear the difference between S/PDIF and the analogue output is of course another matter! |
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It already decodes and downmixes the 5.1 track to output in stereo over SCART. It will feed the SCART output from a D>A converter (DAC) - the signal that's currently fed into the DAC just needs to be routed to the SPDIF output too.
It's pretty basic functionality. I bet it'll be there in the hardware. Just needs a menu option - as others have said, most DVD players can do this. Cheers, David. Chris. |
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The option does appear to exist in the menus, but it does nothing.
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