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Old 10-03-2011, 13:39
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Maybe they did realise what an expressive face he has and thought he could really pull it off



So why are you assuming that he's going then??
I really hope he's not and that emmerdale really turns this storyline around, but part of me doesn't want to be that hopeful and I'll be kinda of prepared if he does go
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Old 10-03-2011, 13:47
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Ooh! Lots of good discussion. I had visions of coming here today and finding nothing but tumbleweed after my question! Well, seeing as everyone has been good enough to give their opinions, I thought it only fair to give mine too, but then I read Annie's post and it saves me the job since Annie's opinion mirrors mine almost exactly.

Personally, I don't actually have any problem with AS being covered as a subject since soaps have always been at the forefront of dealing with contentious, uncomfortable and/or hotly disputed issues, and IMO serve as an invaluable source in getting those issues out there on the table to be discussed. After all, if this storyline wasn't taking place, how many of us would even have given AS/euthenasia much, if any, thought at all? I know I wouldn't.

My only qualm, along with most folk, is an issue over the (assumed) timespan of the story. There may be numerous RL reasons for this, some of which we've conjectured about already such as Marc's contract, and I suppose we have to accept the fact that soaps have always had a propensity to compress the timing of storylines for dramatic licence purposes. It's a fine balancing act that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, and while I do think think the timescales indicated by Annie for Jackson to make his decision are plausable and realistic in RL, I just don't think any soap would allow a storyline to trundle along for that length of time... quite simply, because the audience would have lost interest by then and switched off. You just need to go on other threads on DS to see how impatient the average viewer is in constantly wanting plotlines to move on, regardless of whether it's realistic or not. In Jackson's case, quite a lot of people have already lost sympathy with him because they believe he should have come to terms with his situation by now and should therefore stop being so stroppy with everyone!

In the end it will all be down to the writing and whether TPTB can bring the story to us in a way that we can buy into it without rolling our eyes too much at the implausabilities. I do suspect they will pay lip-service to some of the gripes we've had, so we're likely to get a throwaway line from someone like Hazel to indicate that Jackson has indeed been having councelling even though we haven't seen any real evidence of it. Still, when the time comes, I do expect it to be brilliantly performed, because as we know, ED are expert at delivering these hugely dramatic crescendos in such a convincing and emotionally-involving way that you can't help but be swept up by the moment; and in the end it is that (IMO) that will be ultimately remembered by most of the audience about this storyline; not whether Jackson had taken the right amount of time to come to his decision.
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Old 10-03-2011, 14:13
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Old 10-03-2011, 15:32
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Hi hope you are all having a good day,

Thanks Anti Static for the Boston paper link, what a lovely write up about Marc, I wonder if he knows about it?

mpond is the Danny+Marc fans page the twitter one? As thats what came up.

also Anti Static you asked an intresting Q + thanks to Hi-peeps I don't have to go through the trouble of putting my thoughts into words as I almost agree with all you said in your post

Hi Anti and anyone else still out there!

Have to say its a bit of both for me!

I'm not oppossed to the idea of A/S as i strongly believe people have a right to choose how they live their life and that includes how their life ends! but for me i disagree with it in this instance because of the nature of how its come about and also the speed of how its come about. If someone has a terminal illness, an illness which will introduce them to agonising pain, controlled only by strong analgesia which will cause drowsyness, confusion and tiredness, an illness which will crush the hearts of family members watching their loved one wither away in front of their very eyes and will also crush the heart of the person suffering at having to watch their illness crush their loved ones, then agree in A/S in this instance, but when a young lad who has barely recovered from his new diagnosis of becoming permenantly tetraplegic and could possibly life a long, happy, fulfilling life i totally disagree with it. If they really wanted/needed to think of an exit for Marc they could of chose:- going away for rehab, going to USA for controversial stem cell transplantation or moving away from the prying pitying eyes of the village or just death through natural causes linked to paralysis i.e. automnic disreflexia.


Having recently worked on a spinal injuries unit i have nursed people who are 18 months post diagnosis and who are now just getting ready to be discharged, after having intense inpatient rehab, multiple meetings with occupational therapists both in hospital with the patient and home visits with the family to equip their home with everything they need to adjust to the life they will now be living, also the family is strongly involved in any decision that is made.

non of this seems to of been explored with Jackson other than Joe and the occassional follow up with the neurologist jackson seems to have no physio, occupational therepist no referal to a psychiatrist or psychologist to help him deal with the mental/emotional aspects of his condition, even Hazel and Aaron have never been offered any professional help so to speak.

I understand Jackson is finding it very hard to deal with his paralysis and by choosing A/S is his way of regaining control of his life by choosing when and how, but i just dont feel depression is the right 'reason' to do this.

As i have said before it sends out an appauling message to those people in R/L that are, at this very minute struggling to cope with their own paralysis, and i feel that if ED chose to show Jackson getting the right support and learning to cope and accepting his new way of life it would be so much better for those people, it would show a future for them, light at the end, of what must seem to them a very long and very dark, tunnel but also it would show HOPE, hope that they can come through their ordeal and they can live a fulfilling life, a life with a multitude of possibilities. Soaps have a huge, phenomenal amount of influence in society and they really need to remember that when they choose their storylines, they need to sit back and think;
'lets use this storyline to show hope and positivity and not use it to hopefully win our next award, as their may be people out their who are going through this at this very minute'

The reason I dont like it because its Jackson is purely because i love him, plain and simple. he was a great introduction to the cast and i feel him and Aaron really WORK/
ed, I LOVE(loved) the cheeky, cocky side of their relationship and felt that SHOWS(showed) their love for one another, however i feel that they built Aarson up to quickly, they have got a huge following and now i feel the writers, because of the magnitude and speed of how much people love them, feel they have no where to take them any more!!

i love Aaron and love Jackson and Love love love Aarson, I will be sad when it eventually ends and devestated when Jackson leaves but hand on heart will be more devestated at the nature of how he leaves if they choose A/S, i only hope the big re-write was this!


Okay rant over i will go back to lurking!
Just want to say that the words just above in CAPS are ones I added instead of the origanal words which I have placed in brackets,

Hi-peeps dont go back to lurking your posts are always intresting to read, while I was lurking it was your posts as well as some others that had me wanting to join as most of the time I agree with you + you are better in putting your thoughts to words than me

Are you ok Peeps

I dont agree that in the short term they have nowhere to go with Jackson. I know it would be hard to show him in any major storylines at the moment, but neither are a lot of the cast. I think they could show a lot more positive side and show what help is available for people in his position. Maybe the fact that he is unable to take part in major storylines is resulting in Marc not wanting to renew his contract I dont know, but if that is the case then surely there is a better way for him to leave the show rather than a rushed A/S storyline.
agree with above to
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Old 10-03-2011, 18:00
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Hi all

Nice to see the thread a bit more lively.

In answer to you question Anti I must be honest and say its mainly because its happening to Jackson that I'm so against it as well as the fact that depression is curable and does not have to be debilitating but TPTB seem to be not aware of this which is what is so frustrating.
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Old 10-03-2011, 18:19
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If the storyline goes a head i think its a big mistake.. They should try the hardest to keep Marc as he is a great actor.. Maybe they are scratching their heads now and realizing that the paralyzing was a big mistake.. They had to get actors and story, not to mention the chemistry.. They could rectify this if they wanted too..
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Old 10-03-2011, 18:44
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If the storyline goes a head i think its a big mistake.. They should try the hardest to keep Marc as he is a great actor.. Maybe they are scratching their heads now and realizing that the paralyzing was a big mistake.. They had to get actors and story, not to mention the chemistry.. They could rectify this if they wanted too..
Do you mean by a shocking recovery or by showing Jackson coming to terms with his new life? Just wondering by the way!
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:13
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Ah, so close to that elusive kiss. At least we got a smile I suppose.
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:15
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I suppose that's why the picture released to magazines had the caption "Aaron and Jackson nearly kiss"

EDIT: Ooh a kiss! I nearly fell off my chair!
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:17
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Ah, so close to that elusive kiss. At least we got a smile I suppose.
My god, a happy scene

Guess the interrupted kiss is building to Aaron suggesting Jackson stays at his so they get some privacy - but where's Paddy and Rhona gonna go

And Joe is back, but had to go somewhere.....


Some good posts yesterday, with some good views.

For me, I guess I'm only really showing an interest if it is going the A/S route as it is involving Aaron and Jackson, as this story has had me in a tizz for a year now


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Old 10-03-2011, 19:21
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Ha! Take that Jerry!
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:23
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And Joe is back, but had to go somewhere
haha! He's always leaving! Poor Joe!
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:30
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Oh FFS - if they think it's amusing "teasing" us with an almost kiss and then one that I missed cos I blinked

Did like the bits of humour though... I can't help but love Jackson - I just want Aarson to finish.

ETA: When Joe said he was leaving I burst out laughing as it just reminded me of all the comments about him on this forum
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:31
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haha! He's always leaving! Poor Joe!
He's a bit clumsy though isn't he

Split food down Jackson the other week, now he's dropped something on his laptop

Joes timesheets must make interesting reading
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:32
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A happy Aarson episode
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:32
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Oh FFS - if they think it's amusing "teasing" us with an almost kiss and then one that I missed cos I blinked

Did like the bits of humour though... I can't help but love Jackson - I just want Aarson to finish.

ETA: When Joe said he was leaving I burst out laughing as it just reminded me of all the comments about him on this forum
Surely Aaron knew these things about his boyfriend already, right!?
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:33
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Surely Aaron knew these things about his boyfriend already, right!?
Seems like Jackson's been hiding all his guilty pleasures from him
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:36
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how did jacko have a thing for chezza hawks? wouldnt he have been like 4-5 when that tune came out? that makes no sense
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:36
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Do you mean by a shocking recovery or by showing Jackson coming to terms with his new life? Just wondering by the way!
I think either way really.. Though getting some feeling back might be better...
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:38
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I think either way really.. Though getting some feeling back might be better...
I know it will never happen but we can still dream!
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:39
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Really enjoy them in that episode.. Hopefully some more at 8pm.. Just fall in love with jackson every time he jokes about..
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:40
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Lovely to see a nice happy aarson episode, even if they were only on it for 2 minutes. I liked the kiss. A nice casual, peck and good to see that Aaron felt comfortable enough to do this in front of Jerry and didn't even notice the disapproving look. I don't like people slobbering all over each other on tv, well not this early anyway.
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:40
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I know it will never happen but we can still dream!
I know And its only a soap after all so they can write anything they like and we will be fine with it (other than killing Jackson off)
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:41
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Really enjoy them in that episode.. Hopefully some more at 8pm.. Just fall in love with jackson every time he jokes about..
That smile does it for me every time, he has to stay. Would love him to get some feeling back but I dont see that happening but at least if we had more of that smile I could cope.
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Old 10-03-2011, 19:51
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Wow - an upbeat ep of Aarson

So - all that time at Jackson's bedside in the hospital - and they didn't discuss music!
The kiss-tease stuff and blink & miss it kiss is all getting a bit stale really

Oh - and Joe (he's str8 by the way) get yer coat, yer just leaving....


Now we've had the happy ep - does this mean an angsty ep for 8pm.
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