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Recommend best way to archive tv programmes, please
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grahamlthompson
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by Apprentice 2 SA:
“I must admit I don't have recent experience of a DVD not working since I became more confident with the likes of transferring vob files.

There is still the issue - and call me a ludite if you want to - that if a video case warps or breaks, including the tape itself breaking, there are solutions.

If a DVD warps or breaks, you're lost!”

Not if you keep the .vobs on a hdd and just use that as an archive. Keep it in a drawer. If you have this data you can burn new dvds very easily. I have vobs from digital captures of super 8 footage at least 20 yrs old. If i stick the disc in a usb ide cradle they are readable no problem. If you want to be super cautious just copy them onto a new disc. 1TB is very cheap these days.

The dies on recordable dvd's are light sensitive so how they are stored makes a difference to how long the data can be read. Just like a pair of curtains in a sunny window the die fades in time.
AidanLunn
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by Apprentice 2 SA:
“One of the big things for me is what to do you do if your archived programme doesn't work.

A video would never stop working! The tape might deteriorate (still watchable), the tape might break (mend it), the case might break (live with it or put the tape in a new case). There were always solutions with video. I have never ended up with a video that simply will not work. Having used video for archiving for over 25 years. (yes I am old!)

But having used DVDs for a couple of years, I already have DVDs that simply will not work. In a DVD player or on a computer.”

Tape does have a point to where it cannot be repaired - tape mould.
Pugwash69
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by tomfoolery1:
“How can you store a couple of hundred discs worth on your PC drive?
The guy wants to "archive" recordings long term .”

I've got almost 8,000 TV programmes on my network storage. They're in a DRM-free format (XviD).
grahamlthompson
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by Pugwash69:
“I've got almost 8,000 TV programmes on my network storage. They're in a DRM-free format (XviD).”

Indee a 1TB drive will easily hold 250 full length DVD movies at full quality more with using more compression. SD digital TV uses roughly 5000mbps for the better channels. Divide by 8000 to MB/sec and mutiply by 3600 gives 2.25GB/hour or 444 hours on a 1TB disc without re-encoding. Compressing with mpeg4 rather than mpeg2 should increas this by at least 30%. A 1TB drive these days costs about £40.00 when it's full buy another.
tomfoolery1
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by Apprentice 2 SA:
“I must admit I don't have recent experience of a DVD not working since I became more confident with the likes of transferring vob files.

There is still the issue - and call me a ludite if you want to - that if a video case warps or breaks, including the tape itself breaking, there are solutions.

If a DVD warps or breaks, you're lost!”

I had a full run of The Brothers recorded from UK Gold up to about 1994 and kept the tapes for many years.
About 3 or 4 years ago I finally got round to copying the tapes to disc via my hard drive recorder .
Somebody offered me a 3 figure sum for the tapes so I sold them although I was quite concerned what I would do if a disc proved faulty when I got round to watching them.

I've been watching them since January and of the 22 discs I've viewed so far 2 have had glitches .
One froze partway through one episode and the other had picked up a scratch from somewhere.

All I did was copy the discs to my Pioneer hard drive and then burn a new copy back to -R and both discs played fine even in the spots where the other discs had problems.

9 discs left to go - hope they are ok.
I've not taken the risk with Grange Hill where my off air tapes are still stored in a box in the garage .
I have watched the dvd's - almost 120 of them and they were all fine
Pugwash69
23-03-2011
You'll find a lot of the older stuff like Grange Hill turns up on UKNova sometimes too. I've got the first 5 series in 16GB of files.
tomfoolery1
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by Pugwash69:
“You'll find a lot of the older stuff like Grange Hill turns up on UKNova sometimes too. I've got the first 5 series in 16GB of files.”

I prefer to archive my own recordings where possible.
They are , without fail ,superior to any other recordings I've seen over the years ,and thats before they get chopped and compressed for downloading.

Most of my GH from series 5 onwards are 4 discs per series so each one has the benefit of around 16Gb all to itself.

Although I daresay the series 1-4 downloads may have used the official dvd's as their source ,but I skipped those as some of the episodes are edited
Apprentice 2 SA
30-05-2011
Thought I'd bring back this thread in the light of a problem with a DVD recorder.

A disc edited over the last few weeks has stopped working, and doesn't seem to be recoverable.

This is the thread I started about it.
spiney2
02-06-2011
I use an "easycap type" of device to archive PVR recordings. The quality is fine for SD, including Dolby 2.0 sound (effectively pro-logic).

As for DVDs, it's reckoned "gold base" ones are best.

http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/20...archival-media

With a hard disk, if there's a head crash, you lose the lot!

(obviously, turn the recordings into playable DVDs, use something like DVDflick!)
spiney2
02-06-2011
There are several compainies offering "archival" DVDs, but very expensive! I'd just look out for ones with gold colour, often quite cheap!

1. Make sure it's DVD +R, NOT -R, for reasons given in my link above.

2. Burn at slowest speed allowed.
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