I presume that seeing as the emphasis was on the props this week that the judges marks were biased more to the use of the props and penalised those who dropped or stumbled with their prop ... perhaps if Sam lost 0.5 or more for dropping his hat whereas Johnson did a clean routine as far as the props were concerned

I can see your point but 1 point difference is still ridiculous, even 2 points difference would be ridiculous imo. They are streets apart technically and to drop someone so much after one mistake with the prop is adsurd.

I don't see it as ridiculous as such although I can see your point of view but IMO Sams skating has gone downhill the last few weeks. He doesn't seem to me to be putting as much effort into it and his skating hasn't been as polished as it was at the beginning of the series.

Part of this weeks judging score was on use of the props Sam messed up with the prop and had to lose marks for it, ok so it wasn't a major mistake but he still had to be marked down for it as has happened in any other series. So even if his skating had been top notch he would have still been marked down for the mistake.

I personally think Johnson was a tad overmarked this week as yes he didn't mess up with the props but there was almost no risks taken when he was working with them. Any tricks with with the hat were done at very slow speed and when passing the umbrella between them they were so close it hardly made it worth the effort to pass it between them so maybe not so much Sam being undermarked as Johnson a bit overmarked.

I have been looking back at some of the recent weeks and it seems that Sam has gone downhill a bit since focusing so much on trying to get the headbanger perfect.

Robin usually tends to mark pretty fairly yes he sometimes gets it wrong but he is at least focusing on the skating aspects rather than the performance so IMO if he praises someones skating ability that to me does not mean that they cannot skate otherwise I think thats what he would be saying as he did with Kerry as he stated to her that she needed to go back to basics etc not something he has ever said to Chloe.

It does seem to me like they are throwing Sam under the bus for some reason .. his VT's are edited to make him look bad and the judges/Torville & Dean's comments seem to be dropping him in it

eg .. I'm sure a lot of them change/adapt their routines during the week if a particular move isn't working out .. so I felt they dropped Sam in it last week by bringing that up


I agree with Tiggergirl that Johnson was a tad overmarked .. I think sometimes the judges tend to mark to give positions on the leaderboard rather than actual total marks .. and even though there wasn't much difference in Robin's score for Sam and Johnson he still had Johnson below Sam

I felt for once that Emma got it right, she gave a 2 point difference between them. I feel a tidgy bit sorry for Sam, I feel he isn't going to make the final and he should imo.

I thought it unusual for Torvill and Dean to get involved like that so unless he has maybe gone specifically against them and they haven't been happy about it so have chosen to voice their opinions this year.
I know generally they haven't really spoken out in previous years although they did when Sharron Davies changed her routine and music on them but I think theres been a few with more attitude than they are used to and by that I mean Elen more than Sam so maybe its just they are kind of showing they are in charge not the celebs.

yeah it could be that there's more to it behind the scenes .... that whole Sharron Davies saga last year was really awkward .. there was obviously a bit of a clash there (and not just with Jason)

If Chloe wasn't on the show there would only be ONE other celeb there instead - not loads.....

Ithink that the producers actually struggle to find suitable celebs for DOI.

Unlike Strictly - the ice is slippery and dangerous - and its nowhere near as easy to learn how to skate as it is to learn to put one foot in front of another on a nice solid (albeit sprung) dancefloor.


I can't imagine that the queue to be on DOI is anything like that for Strictly - especially for the - ahem - older less agile celebs

Imo the OP is well out of order - Chloe might have got the DOI gig by virtue of being the offspring of R&J but from a skating point of view she has long since shed any advantage acquired from her parentage.

Such a pity some find it impossible to support her as their favourite without taking a dig at other contestants and their fans.

And yes - by her own admission she does have her 'princess' moments, which by the age of 23 she should have outgrown.

How come every criticism of Chloe - however unjustified - leads to further digs at Laura.

there is no way in hell she is an average skate and there is no way at all johnson has been better than her at any point in the competition

I don't think its so much digs at Laura although I can't speak for every other poster here but naturally the two are going to be compared being the best female skaters there so you will always get unfair comparison towards one or the other and its natural if you are going to defend your favourite to criticise the other one as that is the obvious thing to do.

My main comments have been not directly criticising Laura to me it does seem that a lot of the anti Chloe venom does come out when she has done better than Laura as has happened last night. Would there have been the same debate had Laura come first and Chloe second?

not sure but it seems to work both ways and criticisms of Laura lead to digs at Chloe .. even if she's not mentioned by name it's obvious the implications are there

It happens in all reality shows where two people are in close competition with each other

It's not uniique to Dancing on Ice and certainy not unique to Laura

I don't think it is - good debate seeks to advance and persuade the virtue of an argument without unnecessary vilification of the opposite view. Such discussion can give rise to stimulation rather than retaliation.

Oh yes - just as it did last week - and I'm sure you know that.


Sadly I think that's true.

So why moan about it when it happens to Laura as if she's the only "victim" of such postng?

However positive my posts about Chloe you will seek out what you assume to be negativity.

If it makes you happy - who am I to argue?

I don't seek out the negativity about Chloe in your posts .. if you post something negative about her then there's no seeking requred .. even if you slap something positive on the end it still doesn't mean the negative is ruled out .. sticking a back handed compliment in a post doesn't cover up the negativity/dig that seems to be thinly disguised in there

Have it your own way.

Last time I try to be positive about Ms.Madeley.

Be happy.

I don't want it my way ... you're entitled to post about Chloe however you want positively or negatively ...my point was that if you post both positively and negatively about her in the same post you can't expect people to just see the positive and not notice the negative

But now there's more of that who she is stuff, not enough about her skating or performance.

So why concentrate on what you perceive as the negative without commenting on the positive?

Unconditional fan worship defeats my reasoning.

I think she's crossed that line and is now being assessed more in her own right than as the daughter of well known parents.

Without Richard Dimbleby we wouldn't have David and Jonathan Dimbleby, with no Jon Snow, we wouldn't have Dan Snow and so on. It's always been the same in show business. Think of the Redgraves, the Sheens, the Foxes etc.

Come on now - the Madeleys hardly compare to the Dimbleby and Redgrave dynasties.

My supporting Chloe isn't unconnditional .. you know fine well that I've made posts criticising her in some way .. I don't go in for sychophantic support of anyone

as for not commenting on the positive .. obviously supporters of a certain person are going to comment on the negative comment if they feel differently ... just like I'm sure you would pick up on any negatives about Laura that you don't agree with ... no one's saying you don't post anything positive about Chloe but are you expecting Chloe fans to pat you on the back and thank you each time you post a positive comment ... it's the nature of the forums that most of he discussions and comments outside of the appreciation threads are people discussing differing opinions

Guess I'll desist from further favourable posts about Chloe and concentrate on the negatives.

That way I won't be accused of thinly veiled criticism.