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Cosider all the legitimate celebs that would have been on this show if Chloe wasn't
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lach doch mal
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“But if someone starts a thread about it, we are allowed to give our opinion are we not?
I do not dislike her but I would not like her to win because she has used her parents name to achieve fame and to get on this show.”

I've never questionned that people can give their opinion. However, my opinion is that it is a petty reason to question her being there because of her parents. She is obviously good enough skating wise, and there are other celebrities throughout all the series of DOI who weren't A-listers. So why single her out? (I felt the same when people were criticising Laura for her celebrity status and posted on it). I dont' mind if Sam, Laura or Chloe win (even if Johnson wins). However, the reason for criticising Chloe are all related to her celebrity status and as we don't have any A-lister celebrities, it seems like an odd reason to criticise her IMO, to which I'm entitled as well.
diamond1
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
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If I offended you, I'm sincerely sorry. However, people criticising her for her parents seems IMO a petty reason. If you don't like her skating or even her behaviour fine, but she cannot do anything about her parents.”

Exactly .. I watch the show to be entertained and I vote for who I like watching ... how they got invited on the show or who their parents are does't influence my enjoyment of their skating or make them any less worth of winning a skating/entertainment show for me
BeeBoop
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“I don't like her any more than Sam or Laura (probably more than Johnson skating wise, but not achievement wise). So it's not me liking her and being unreasonable. However, when I watch DOI I watch it for the skating not for the reason why people came on the programme. They all deserve to be there, because they all have put work into it.

If I offended you, I'm sincerely sorry. However, people criticising her for her parents seems IMO a petty reason. If you don't like her skating or even her behaviour fine, but she cannot do anything about her parents.”

I think im entitled to think shes had an unfair advantage in appearing on this show through no effort of her own, but her parents fame. My point is, i prefer to watch people who have grafted for it getting a little something back i.e. Johnson, Denise and her years in showbiz, Laura an unknown almost struggling on Childrens TV, etc. And i believe im entitled to that opinion without being labelled petty
lach doch mal
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by BeeBoop:
“I think im entitled to think shes had an unfair advantage in appearing on this show through no effort of her own, but her parents fame. My point is, i prefer to watch people who have grafted for it getting a little something back i.e. Johnson, Denise and her years in showbiz, Laura an unknown almost struggling on Childrens TV, etc. And i believe im entitled to that opinion without being labelled petty ”

Fair enough, I never want to offend people. To me it's not the most pertinent reason to dislike her (which is my opinion and thus as valid as yours), but you are entitled to your opinion.

You think she had an unfair advantage, I don't think she had in the context of DOI, because people taking part in it aren't fantastically talented people (well the remaining four aren't). At the moment, I just judge people on their skating abilities (that's what the programme is all about), not on what went on before. She is working hard (like Laura and Sam and Johnson) and as such she is a worthwhile contestant.
BeeBoop
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Fair enough, I never want to offend people. To me it's not the most pertinent reason to dislike her (which is my opinion and thus as valid as yours), but you are entitled to your opinion.

You think she had an unfair advantage, I don't think she had in the context of DOI, because people taking part in it aren't fantastically talented people (well the remaining four aren't). At the moment, I just judge people on their skating abilities (that's what the programme is all about), not on what went on before. She is working hard (like Laura and Sam and Johnson) and as such she is a worthwhile contestant.”

I agree they are all working hard, dosent change my viewpoint that shes had a much easier ride than the others I personally liked Vanilla Ice but now hes gone im routing for Laura as to me, her personality dosent come across as stroppy or spoilt, both of which i get from chloe. But beauty (or in this case personality) is in the eye of the beholder and yes you're entitled to your opinion as well of course you are and I wouldn't dream of saying otherwise
diamond1
17-03-2011
Perhaps Laura's father pulled a few strings to get her on the show ... he was Uncle Bulgaria in The Wombles afterall
lach doch mal
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by BeeBoop:
“I agree they are all working hard, dosent change my viewpoint that shes had a much easier ride than the others I personally liked Vanilla Ice but now hes gone im routing for Laura as to me, her personality dosent come across as stroppy or spoilt, both of which i get from chloe. But beauty (or in this case personality) is in the eye of the beholder and yes you're entitled to your opinion as well of course you are and I wouldn't dream of saying otherwise ”

Well we agree on two things. I really liked Vanilla Ice and I'm still gutted he is out, and beauty (personality) is in the eye of the beholder.

This year I'm really lucky I don't have a real favourite (apart from Vanilla Ice), so I won't be disappointed really.
Veri
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“... We had loads of non-celebrities on DOI, people only wheel out the "she/he is not a celebrity when they cannot fault the person on the skating skills". ...”

I don't think that's true. For example, there were a lot of complaints about Chloe not being a celeb even before it emerged that she was good at skating.

I wondered, back then, whether it might because there's seen such a turn against Richard and Judy in recent years.

Anyway, I can understand why people would prefer to watch celebrities who have a stronger claim to fame, but in my opinion, 'reality' shows always set the \celebrity' bar pretty low, and what the person does once they're there is more important than how much of a celebrity they are.
icedragon
17-03-2011
Given that some of them only got where they are because they went on reality shows (Jeff anyone) and Chloe has now been on a reality show for a few months I'd say she is now just as famous for being on a reality show. So even if she didn't count as a 'celeb' in some people's eyes at the beginning then she certainly does now and that has come from her ability in skating (which is both what the show is about and what has kept her on the show).

I didn't expect to like Chloe but have been impressed by the obvious effort she puts in.

Since I'd not really heard of many of them it didn't bother me why they were on it - just what they did and how they came across once there. Hence Chloe grew on me. Kerry (whose claim to celebrity status seems to derive as much from notoriety in drug taking as anything positive she achieved), came across as a whiny pain who put no effort in so I didn't like her. Laura seems a lovely girl (but I have no idea what her claim to fame is as I'd never heard of her) and skates really well -although in recent weeks I've preferred Chloe's routines I'd be happy if she won as I would if Chloe did.

It just seems a bit of a shame if people are going to hold the reason someone was invited on the show against them, rather than judging on what they achieve on the show itself.
Snow_Leopard
17-03-2011
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Are you referring to Johnson with the easy routines. I agree he has had the easier routines but he does have some brain damage which gives him problems with his memory. Do you think he should be given a routine the same as Sams?”

I was referring to all who get easier routines.
nats18
18-03-2011
In reality real celebs don't do these types of shows cos there too busy actually being a celeb the way I do things nowadays is watch the shows with next to no clue who anyone is ok ye I knew kerry and for me Vanilla was the next most famous one then Jeff but after this show ends I won't think of them again as I gave up celeb mags and mostly ignore "celeb" news on here. She's a good skater don't kno how her personality is cos I tend to watch on catch up and skip talking and rehearsals
Veri
18-03-2011
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Given that some of them only got where they are because they went on reality shows (Jeff anyone) and Chloe has now been on a reality show for a few months I'd say she is now just as famous for being on a reality show. So even if she didn't count as a 'celeb' in some people's eyes at the beginning then she certainly does now and that has come from her ability in skating (which is both what the show is about and what has kept her on the show).
...”

That's rather jesuitical, but I like it.
BeeBoop
18-03-2011
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Given that some of them only got where they are because they went on reality shows (Jeff anyone) and Chloe has now been on a reality show for a few months I'd say she is now just as famous for being on a reality show. So even if she didn't count as a 'celeb' in some people's eyes at the beginning then she certainly does now and that has come from her ability in skating (which is both what the show is about and what has kept her on the show).

I didn't expect to like Chloe but have been impressed by the obvious effort she puts in.

Since I'd not really heard of many of them it didn't bother me why they were on it - just what they did and how they came across once there. Hence Chloe grew on me. Kerry (whose claim to celebrity status seems to derive as much from notoriety in drug taking as anything positive she achieved), came across as a whiny pain who put no effort in so I didn't like her. Laura seems a lovely girl (but I have no idea what her claim to fame is as I'd never heard of her) and skates really well -although in recent weeks I've preferred Chloe's routines I'd be happy if she won as I would if Chloe did.

It just seems a bit of a shame if people are going to hold the reason someone was invited on the show against them, rather than judging on what they achieve on the show itself.”

We're allowed to judge the people being brought onto it and the reasons why, its called DANCING ON ICE and its about a group of CELEBS learning to well, dance on ice. Chloe wasnt a celeb when she came onto the programme regardless if shes one now shes on it.
icedragon
18-03-2011
Originally Posted by BeeBoop:
“We're allowed to judge the people being brought onto it and the reasons why, its called DANCING ON ICE and its about a group of CELEBS learning to well, dance on ice. Chloe wasnt a celeb when she came onto the programme regardless if shes one now shes on it.”

Of course you are allowed to, just as I'm allowed to think it's a shame if that is what any of them are most judged on and if some people can't seem to get beyond that to appreciate how well she can skate now. I couldn't stand Kerry Katona and she doesn't fit my definition of a 'celeb' but if she'd turned out to skate really well and work hard I'd have rethought my opinion like I did on Daniella Westbrook.

It's not actually called 'CELEBRITY Dancing on Ice' though is it? So unlike 'CELEBRITY Big Brother', there was no guarantee that the people on it would be celebs and indeed most of them aren't what I would consider to be celebs at all. 'Gossip Column Fodder Dancing on Ice' or 'People you might or might not have heard of Dancing on Ice' might have been more appropriate titles.
diamond1
18-03-2011
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“ 'People you might or might not have heard of Dancing on Ice' might have been more appropriate titles.”

I like the sound of that .. seems the most apt
BeeBoop
18-03-2011
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Of course you are allowed to, just as I'm allowed to think it's a shame if that is what any of them are most judged on and if some people can't seem to get beyond that to appreciate how well she can skate now. I couldn't stand Kerry Katona and she doesn't fit my definition of a 'celeb' but if she'd turned out to skate really well and work hard I'd have rethought my opinion like I did on Daniella Westbrook.

It's not actually called 'CELEBRITY Dancing on Ice' though is it? So unlike 'CELEBRITY Big Brother', there was no guarantee that the people on it would be celebs and indeed most of them aren't what I would consider to be celebs at all. 'Gossip Column Fodder Dancing on Ice' or 'People you might or might not have heard of Dancing on Ice' might have been more appropriate titles.”

lol good point
Kablamo
20-03-2011
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Of course you are allowed to, just as I'm allowed to think it's a shame if that is what any of them are most judged on and if some people can't seem to get beyond that to appreciate how well she can skate now. I couldn't stand Kerry Katona and she doesn't fit my definition of a 'celeb' but if she'd turned out to skate really well and work hard I'd have rethought my opinion like I did on Daniella Westbrook.

It's not actually called 'CELEBRITY Dancing on Ice' though is it? So unlike 'CELEBRITY Big Brother', there was no guarantee that the people on it would be celebs and indeed most of them aren't what I would consider to be celebs at all. 'Gossip Column Fodder Dancing on Ice' or 'People you might or might not have heard of Dancing on Ice' might have been more appropriate titles.”

This argument that "we haven't heard of" so and so doesn't cut it.

Everybody else on that show is legitimate for being talented in some capacity.

Chloe is not.

So saying that others aren't, is just a desperate attempt to try and put her in the same barrel as other people. Chloe is just another contestant on these shows who has a following simply because people don't like other contestants. Laura is an unbelievably friendly and down to earth person which from my experience of reality TV is very rarely accepted or appealing for many. That is why people go for Chloe,

she is simply the anti-laura, talentless, non-celeb, stroppy and living off mum and dad.
diamond1
20-03-2011
Originally Posted by Kablamo:
“This argument that "we haven't heard of" so and so doesn't cut it.

Everybody else on that show is legitimate for being talented in some capacity.

Chloe is not.



she is simply the anti-laura, talentless, non-celeb, stroppy and living off mum and dad.”

ooo meow ... lol

I guess Ellen is known for being something other than Frank Lampard's ex then?
icedragon
20-03-2011
Originally Posted by Kablamo:
“This argument that "we haven't heard of" so and so doesn't cut it.

Everybody else on that show is legitimate for being talented in some capacity.

Chloe is not.

So saying that others aren't, is just a desperate attempt to try and put her in the same barrel as other people. Chloe is just another contestant on these shows who has a following simply because people don't like other contestants. Laura is an unbelievably friendly and down to earth person which from my experience of reality TV is very rarely accepted or appealing for many. That is why people go for Chloe,

she is simply the anti-laura, talentless, non-celeb, stroppy and living off mum and dad.”

Laura seems really nice but her skating while good, hasn't engaged me sorry. Her talent is 'presenting' is it? I like Sam and his skating too. Last I looked this was a skating show not a talent contest. Jeff's talent is what exactly? Mostly been on reality shows and a bit of presenting. Not sure how that makes him more talented than Chloe who has I believe also done a bit of presenting (and now been on a reality show! ). Chloe also appears to have quite a talent for ice skating. Kerry's talent seems to be for self-publicity and drug-taking. Sam is an out of work actor. Johnson's claim to fame is not for having talent exactly is it?

If I haven't heard of them then whatever talents they may or may not have are meaningless to me in the context of this show.

So is it a show for celebrities, or a talent show, or just as I suspect, a show for people we might or might not have heard of?

I wasn't keen on Chloe to start with but her skating talent has won me over. I still like Laura and Sam though.

You carry on with your anti-Chloe campaign and I along with many others will carry on enjoying all of them skating. I guarantee we will be happier.
Cranberryapple
23-03-2011
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“ooo meow ... lol

I guess Ellen is known for being something other than Frank Lampard's ex then?”

^^^^^^^^
I'm seriously shaking my head here at some of the stuff written about Chloe. So she's Richard and Judy's Daughter and is on DOI (some may say ) because of it...So what!!

If we had to go through the amount of Actors / Actresses / Presenters / Models / and goodness knows who else who got their 'breaks in TV' because they are the off spring of famous parents, we'de be here for a long time..

None more so than the 'Top Model' Elizabeth Jagger....Top Model!!! Please. Very average looking daughter of MICK JAGGER and Jerry Hall more like..

Whatever reason Chloe got picked to do the show is now irrelevant. She's proved she's there to do a 'job' and is doing it very well..Hope she wins it.
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