Given that OKTV is not very successful, I dont think we'll see shows like that, most of them would flop anyway.

I think they should stick with what works at the moment, factual, films, US drama and sport. Entertainment didn't work because they simply cannot compete with BBC One and ITV1 with their budget. British drama has been hit and miss on BBC Two and Channel 4 with the latter producing lots of good one-offs but no regular series.

Some of the overnights for Dr Who last year were quite scarily anaemic. Matt Smith is a fine Doctor but he isnt the draw that Tennant was, who was like a pop star in the way he dealt with the role. If its 6pm on a sunny day, I have some concerns for it. SYTYCD has not struck a chord with the British public and I dont think it will recover to any extent that makes it worth putting Who earlier.

For me Dr Who = winter, behind the sofa and all that-it should run Jan to March following on from the Christmas special.

All the articles suggest it's net revenue, not profit, they're talking about.


Time has moved on since then though and as evident from the discussion here at times of the years Saturday nights are rather overcrowded, whilst although Countryfile and Antiques Roadshow perform exceptionally well on Sundays, there is fluidity in the schedule which could see them slip into the schedule at 7.15pm rather effortlessly.

Nigel Lythgoe is a big problem with SYTYCD. He needs to remind himself firstly he isn't Simon Cowell, and secondly that the UK audiences - and the BBC audience especially - hasn't been following him in America for the last few years.

Also doesn't help that SYTYCD in the US is pretty much the younger, cooler alternative of Dancing with the Stars - but it can never be that on BBC1, especially with two judges in their 60s/70s.


As for this series there is no way it should be pulled, and I'm really not bothered whether it's at 6pm or 7pm. It's looking ahead to next year and whether the BBC can fill the schedules without it. The obvious quick fix would be to move Total Wipeout to the Spring, filling the few weeks in January and any additional airings during the Six Nations with repeats, which rate just as well.

I don't know what's happening with the Lloyd Webber shows now - reports seem to vary from him quitting the BBC, moving to ITV and abandoning such shows completely to having numerous possibilities for future searches, which I would bet being more likely to end up on the BBC than ITV. But even without one of those, the BBC could afford to drop SYTYCD next year and juggle their existing programming to pretty seemlessly fill the gap with possibly no direct replacement.

Any idea of what OK! TV Sunday did?

Thanks

I see that the Countryfile, Antiques Roadshow block continues on Easter Sunday as it did on Boxing Day.

Yes solid, dependable safe ratings bankers, but how about the BBC put a bit of effort in, take a few risks and do something different ?

The broadcast networks are stepping away from scripted series this summer (perhaps with the exception of ABC) but cable channels are upping their original output.

USA are adding 2 new scripted series taking them to a total of 8. With WWE dominating Mondays, USA will be broadcasting original programming every night Sunday through Thursday between 9pm and 11pm.

TNT will also run 8 scripted series this summer - two of them new - giving them new content Sunday through Wednesday. ABC Family is adding 4 new scripted series this summer in addition to 3 returning, with original content on Mondays through Wednesdays.

HBO will likely focus on Sundays with summer's #1 drama among A18-49, True Blood returning in June alongside Curb Your Enthusiasm and a final season of Entourage. Hung and How To Make It In America haven't been set dates yet. Showtime will air their comedies, The Big C and Weeds on Mondays.

AMC have been disrupted by the absence of Mad Men due to the drawn out negotiations with Matthew Weiner. Lifetime have picked up 2 new series which should mean an additional night for them as well. Syfy, A&E and MTV will all have at least a couple of scripted series, with new launches as well. And of course, Nickelodeon and Disney will regularly feature at the top of the weekly cable rankings while the likes of ESPN, History, Discovery and FOX News will also feature prominently.

I will be very surprised if Big Brother airs in any slot but 10pm. The 10pm slot immediately takes BBC1 and ITV1 out of the equation due to the news. Channel 4 have not been as strong in that slot recently and BBC2 can only air half hour shows due to Newsnight (in the week anyway).

As for the eviction shows...I think they should air them on Sunday's - from 8 to 9, then 10 to 10.30 for the interview. The 9 to 10 slot could be where they try to air most of their new shows, especially in the summer series with a relative lack of opposition.

Breaking Bad will replace Mad Men this summer, it was going to air alongside it anyway so it's not like AMC had a gap in its schedule.

Hung and How to Make it in America will most likely air with Boardwalk Empire. HBO still has to schedule Angry Boys which I think will air on Fridays as there isn't room for it on Sunday.

Fridays would be free for evictions due to The Mentalist being off air and I imagine new episodes won't air until January or February,

I wouldn't go with Friday's myself - most of the 'younger' audience are out then! BBC1 and ITV1 generally aim for an older audience on Sunday night's which may leave a gap for Big Brother.

I much prefer the Channel 5 brand and always have done. It just sounds better to me and I think the current on air branding is great.


That may be so, but that wasn't what you said in your earlier post. You said I made out Channel 5's results were better than they actually are, or were good when they are actually bad. I don't recall ever doing this, perhaps give some examples or pull me up on it if I do it. Why would I talk about the audience declines of shows like Home and Away and The Gadget Show if what you are saying is true?


I see what you're saying about SYTYCD, I just think there has been too much emphasis about its lowish ratings in recent days when really the situation isn't changing much from week-to-week if you look at the shares. And at the same time people were saying if BGT is down by a big amount year-on-year it won't be that big a deal, which didn't make sense to me. But posts since have clarified what was meant so really we're going over old ground here.

The BBC's Royal Wedding trail had its first broadcast tonight:

Huw Edwards - "This is going to be one of the biggest broadcasts of our time".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMaU3aswjx0

Sundays is a better night to attract the 16-34s but Channel 5 will have to show the usual weekly evictions on Fridays because that's part of the agreement with Hertsmere Borough Council. They are only allowed to have something like 5 evictions/live shows outside of Fridays per year under the new contract (which was also the same under the last contract).

If there is an Autumn series then Sundays night is a no-no especially against The X Factor.

Err, why would a perfectly valid post incur my wrath? Shame. I thought you knew me better than that, Fudd.

The only part of your post I disagree with is the bit about the current setup being "not a way a terrestrial channel should be run."

Any channel, terrestrial or otherwise, needs to live within its means and do what it can on the budget it has. Great if you're ITV1 with the most commercial market share almost by default because you've been around longer and have the funds to be able to launch all these new British programmes (which may or may not be any good), not so good if you're the smallest and youngest of the three main commercial networks and have a much smaller budget to work with.

Of course, the acquisition of Big Brother isn't likely to help initially due to the big chunk of the budget which will be going straight on the format, but it's how they utilise it which will be key.

Ah right - that's a shame for the broadcaster. In that case I'd go for 9-10.30 all in one show on Friday night's. There's no point attempting an 8pm or 8.30pm show due to the soaps.


Very true - I think a Sunday night's result show would have to wait for 2012 where BB is likely to air more in the January/May slots rather than in the autumn.


It was said tongue in cheek, don't worry.

According to tonights article, Simon Cowell will not be doing UK X-Factor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...actor-USA.html

Is this it now or will tomorrows article say something different ?

I don't think that's very different from the last article we read - Simon will be the deciding judge, but not a mentor.

He's playing a very dangerous game. If The X Factor USA fails, ITV aren't exactly going to be welcoming him back with open arms.

Channel 5 has to chase the female demographics more because there are simply more females watching TV.

If you look at Channel 4 it is doing incredibly well with young female viewers and it's only natural that Channel 5 would want a slice of that, in order to continue to grow and increase market share.

Five was fairly popular with young male viewers and still is as Channel 5, but there are much fewer of these watching TV so in the long-term it's not sustainable to program for this demographic all the while.

While I dont think The X Factor will be as big as Idol, I cant see it flopping, FOX and Cowell are going to try and make this work although there not doing themselves favour by not revealing the rest of the judges and the presenters.

I saw it this afternoon

ITV1 also showed their trailer but there wasn't much to it

I think Channel 5 needs to broaden its factual output, it does well with shows like The Gadget Show, Eddie Stobart etc but they haven't got something like Big Fat Gypsy Weddings or Embarrassing Bodies which have the freak show element or something like One Born Every Minute which would naturally attract more female viewers.

I also think they need another format, The Hotel Inspector is successful but that's about it.

That's a good point; however what I would argue is that the US imports must've cost a bit to buy. Some of that cash, if not all, could've gone on British programming instead.

I think Simon and the FOX executives are locked in a debate about Cheryl. A waste of time IMO - the executives know what they're talking about.