I went to see Countdown being filmed in 1996 and a BBC Sitcom called "Kiss Me Kate" in 1999 filmed at Carlton's Nottingham studios.
The Ratings Thread (Part 18)
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Originally Posted by derek500:
“Could you pop round next Monday and watch Twenty Twelve on BBC HD. It will be interesting to see if that bumps up the overnights from 8,000.
How many in the your friend's household? If you can get them all in front of the telly, the figures should rocket!!”
“Could you pop round next Monday and watch Twenty Twelve on BBC HD. It will be interesting to see if that bumps up the overnights from 8,000.
How many in the your friend's household? If you can get them all in front of the telly, the figures should rocket!!”
Not sure that's quite in the spirit of the research
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“Not sure that's quite in the spirit of the research”
“Not sure that's quite in the spirit of the research
”
Interesting though!!
I was looking at BBC HD's reach figure for Q4 2010. 8.451m. For most of that quarter, all the popular BBC 1 programmes were simulcast on BBC HD.
We know from Sky, that as at the end of 2010 5m subscribers had an HD box, 1.4m more with Virgin and possibly 1m+ Freesat. With a household size of 2+, we're looking at 15m having access to BBC HD.
So that means over an entire three month period, only about half of those with access to BBC HD, watched for at least three minutes?
Looks like BBC Three had a good night, despite Junior Doctors taking a bit of a hit. Great for a Family Guy double repeat, and brilliant for White Van Man... I'm sure that is more or less the same as last weeks opening 2 episodes.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“So that means over an entire three month period, only about half of those with access to BBC HD, watched for at least three minutes?”
“So that means over an entire three month period, only about half of those with access to BBC HD, watched for at least three minutes?”
Quite possibly.
Two words - EPG position.
I suspect there are still millions of people (*) with HD who think they are watching HD on BBC1.
Indeed the very subject came up in the F1 thread this week. Various "high tech" F1 fans hadn't realised!
(*) I suspect the only group of people with HD where everyone DOES understand that HD is on a separate channel is people with Sky Sports because Richard Keys told people literally THOUSANDS of times "go to channel 408" for HD (before the HD channel swap).
How many times does the BBC continuity announcer say "for BBC1 HD go to channel x on Freeview, y on Sky, z on VM".
I don't think I have EVER heard them say that. Until they do, BBC HD viewing figures will be very low.
I think the truth is that BBC (and the other terrestrials) don't really care if people are watching in HD or not. Indeed keeping people at the top of the HD makes it less likely they will bump into other channels they don't normally watch (!)
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Maybe they could combine the two programmes and have DCI John Barnaby investigate the brutal murder of a dull, irritating sitcom family. Could be a long-runner cos there would probably be 5 million suspects.
”
“Maybe they could combine the two programmes and have DCI John Barnaby investigate the brutal murder of a dull, irritating sitcom family. Could be a long-runner cos there would probably be 5 million suspects.
”
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Funny you should say that as that is what the show makers said. From Broadcast:
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...025525.article”
“Funny you should say that as that is what the show makers said. From Broadcast:
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...025525.article”
Oh dear. Sounds like a panic measure to me. The kind of thing which might work late night on ITV2, but not on early evening ITV1. The Keith Lemon character needs the freedom to be rude, and only works in small doses i.e. a half-hour show.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“How many times does the BBC continuity announcer say "for BBC1 HD go to channel x on Freeview, y on Sky, z on VM".
I don't think I have EVER heard them say that. Until they do, BBC HD viewing figures will be very low.”
“How many times does the BBC continuity announcer say "for BBC1 HD go to channel x on Freeview, y on Sky, z on VM".
I don't think I have EVER heard them say that. Until they do, BBC HD viewing figures will be very low.”
Reminds me of the bad habits Sky News presenters are getting into. For example, Martin Stanford welcoming viewers back to "Sky News HD" the other night. Don't they realise they are doing themsleves a bit of a disservice by saying that, with some Freeview viewers inevitably thinking they are watching the HD version already?
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“MShowtime has 19m subscribers whereas HBO has 30m so 1m is very good for them as only Dexter rates higher. Spartacus on Starz got 0.6m which was a record for Starz at the time and it increased with each episode to over 1m, I believe the final episode of Gods of the Arena got 1.7m.
HBO has had to up its game due to the increase of originals on Showtime and Starz. Game of Thrones looks very good and should easily be a hit for them although Starz launches their own fantasy drama in Camelot on Friday while Showtime airs The Borgias on Sunday which is sort of a successor to The Tudors.”
“MShowtime has 19m subscribers whereas HBO has 30m so 1m is very good for them as only Dexter rates higher. Spartacus on Starz got 0.6m which was a record for Starz at the time and it increased with each episode to over 1m, I believe the final episode of Gods of the Arena got 1.7m.
HBO has had to up its game due to the increase of originals on Showtime and Starz. Game of Thrones looks very good and should easily be a hit for them although Starz launches their own fantasy drama in Camelot on Friday while Showtime airs The Borgias on Sunday which is sort of a successor to The Tudors.”
19m subscribers though is still about double of what Sky has - and their biggest shows on Sky1 can just about break the 1m mark.
IIRC C4 have the rights to Camelot - though seems a wasted buy as although I'm sure it's a much more adult version, it'll inevitably be compared unfavourably to Merlin, even if it offers something very different.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“neither was the football
STV last night:
7:30pm Children's Hospital
8:00pm Vet School
9:00pm Scotland Debates”
“neither was the football
STV last night:
7:30pm Children's Hospital
8:00pm Vet School
9:00pm Scotland Debates”
I assume though STV showed the Brazil v Scotland game on Sunday. Did they show the ITV broadcast, or do their own?
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I think ITV probably would've liked to continue having the Tuesday Champions League matches, but they were outbid for the Tuesday rights by Sky. IIRC the previous time they were also outbid for the Tuesday rights but negotiated a deal with Sky, which I read wasn't possible this time around. So they must've had no other option but to go for the Wednesday matches. That's meant they had to move the 7.30pm Corrie episode in order to give it a fixed slot, and only Tuesdays or Thursdays were really available and they probably went for Thursdays because it's got easier competition than Holby City on Tuesdays. As for The Bill, it had a couple of 9pm episodes the previous year which had got ~5m and ITV must've been expecting it to rate like that when they decided to give it the Thursday 9pm slot. Of course, it didn't turn out that way but I seem to recall at the time when this new soap block was announced, people were saying it sounded like a good plan.”
“I think ITV probably would've liked to continue having the Tuesday Champions League matches, but they were outbid for the Tuesday rights by Sky. IIRC the previous time they were also outbid for the Tuesday rights but negotiated a deal with Sky, which I read wasn't possible this time around. So they must've had no other option but to go for the Wednesday matches. That's meant they had to move the 7.30pm Corrie episode in order to give it a fixed slot, and only Tuesdays or Thursdays were really available and they probably went for Thursdays because it's got easier competition than Holby City on Tuesdays. As for The Bill, it had a couple of 9pm episodes the previous year which had got ~5m and ITV must've been expecting it to rate like that when they decided to give it the Thursday 9pm slot. Of course, it didn't turn out that way but I seem to recall at the time when this new soap block was announced, people were saying it sounded like a good plan.”
I still think it was the revamp rather than the timing that killed The Bill. Back to the Champions League and can't quite recall when ITV made the switch to Tuesdays, but I assume it's when they had the rights to two games on both nights in the wake of the ITV Sport Channel. I still think people make Corrie being on a Thursday out to be a much bigger issue than it actually is.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“I was quoting Danielle Nagler, head of BBC HD who Tweeted that there weren't any..”
“I was quoting Danielle Nagler, head of BBC HD who Tweeted that there weren't any..”
What is her excuse for flagship shows not being simulcast on BBC HD to make way for a simulcast of the BBC3 repeat of EastEnders?
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“What is her excuse for flagship shows not being simulcast on BBC HD to make way for a simulcast of the BBC3 repeat of EastEnders?”
“What is her excuse for flagship shows not being simulcast on BBC HD to make way for a simulcast of the BBC3 repeat of EastEnders?”
This should stop immediately. It already goes out in HD on BBC One HD just a couple of hours earlier. The ratings have been pathetic for this HD repeat and it would be much better utilised by new programming. EE could still be repeated on the HD channel later in the evening, but I see absolutely no need for a fixed slot, especially in a prime slot like 10pm.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Some more ratings from yesterday:
Channel 4
17:00- Fern: 930k (6.9%) , +1: 97k (0.5%).”
“Some more ratings from yesterday:
Channel 4
17:00- Fern: 930k (6.9%) , +1: 97k (0.5%).”
Even lower than Monday, so not looking good.
They may get away with it and turn it around quietly though as Channel 4's ratings quite often seems to be off the radar of the press.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Even lower than Monday, so not looking good.
They may get away with it and turn it around quietly though as Channel 4's ratings quite often seems to be off the radar of the press.”
“Even lower than Monday, so not looking good.
They may get away with it and turn it around quietly though as Channel 4's ratings quite often seems to be off the radar of the press.”
A long way down on Come Dine/Coach Trip, but the share is near C4's weekly BARB share.
I'm not convinced the world needs another chat show, though.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“A long way down on Come Dine/Coach Trip, but the share is near C4's weekly BARB share.
I'm not convinced the world needs another chat show, though.”
“A long way down on Come Dine/Coach Trip, but the share is near C4's weekly BARB share.
I'm not convinced the world needs another chat show, though.”
I see what you mean about the share, but for some reason the terrestrial channels as a whole always seem to do better at 5pm relative to other hours of the day. It's a very competitive slot among the main 5.
So although technically you are correct and the share is in line with the overall C4 average, it is quite a bit lower than the share C4 would typically expect to achieve in that slot. A strong daytime performance is one of the reasons why C4's share is as high as it is in the first place.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Back to the Champions League and can't quite recall when ITV made the switch to Tuesdays, but I assume it's when they had the rights to two games on both nights in the wake of the ITV Sport Channel. I still think people make Corrie being on a Thursday out to be a much bigger issue than it actually is.”
“Back to the Champions League and can't quite recall when ITV made the switch to Tuesdays, but I assume it's when they had the rights to two games on both nights in the wake of the ITV Sport Channel. I still think people make Corrie being on a Thursday out to be a much bigger issue than it actually is.”
ITV's Champions League coverage switched to Wednesday in September 2009.
Sky started sharing Champions League with ITV in 2003/04.
2003/04 to 2008/09:
ITV - 2 games on Tue
Sky - everything else
2009/10 to 2011/12:
ITV - 1 game on Wed
Sky - everything else
Incidentally UEFA has now issued the Champions League TV rights tender for the UK for 2012/15. Bidding deadline is 12 April 2011. So we should hear the result in the next couple of months.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“
Oh dear. Sounds like a panic measure to me. The kind of thing which might work late night on ITV2, but not on early evening ITV1. The Keith Lemon character needs the freedom to be rude, and only works in small doses i.e. a half-hour show.”
“
Oh dear. Sounds like a panic measure to me. The kind of thing which might work late night on ITV2, but not on early evening ITV1. The Keith Lemon character needs the freedom to be rude, and only works in small doses i.e. a half-hour show.”
ok ive resist the urge to post this for as long as I can.
Maybe this is a job for the female half of Daybreak, Christine Bleakely.
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“So, lets get this straight, your argument against BARB being representative is to use you and your friends as a sample example? Genius!”
“So, lets get this straight, your argument against BARB being representative is to use you and your friends as a sample example? Genius!”
No not genius as you put it, more like making a point that the most popular programme between 2001 and 2003 in a school of 11 - 18 year olds (which had 2000 pupils) plus the local higher education college (which had around 5000 pupils) is a show that is apparently rating badly.
Re: Fern
I think thugh they'll be quite happy at just below the million mark. Yes, it's no Come Dine with Me but not a lot is, and it's still early days and these sort of shows build over time. On the one hand a four-week pilot stint could be seen as a good thing, but on the other perhaps it should have been given longer so it can grow on screen.
I think next week will be the real marker once ITV change from The Chase to Britain's Best Dish and people go channel flicking.
The world might not, but C4 does - they haven't really got a regular outlet where they can promote their own products or pull in big name guests at the moment.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Even lower than Monday, so not looking good.
They may get away with it and turn it around quietly though as Channel 4's ratings quite often seems to be off the radar of the press.”
“Even lower than Monday, so not looking good.
They may get away with it and turn it around quietly though as Channel 4's ratings quite often seems to be off the radar of the press.”
I think thugh they'll be quite happy at just below the million mark. Yes, it's no Come Dine with Me but not a lot is, and it's still early days and these sort of shows build over time. On the one hand a four-week pilot stint could be seen as a good thing, but on the other perhaps it should have been given longer so it can grow on screen.
I think next week will be the real marker once ITV change from The Chase to Britain's Best Dish and people go channel flicking.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“A long way down on Come Dine/Coach Trip, but the share is near C4's weekly BARB share.
I'm not convinced the world needs another chat show, though.”
“A long way down on Come Dine/Coach Trip, but the share is near C4's weekly BARB share.
I'm not convinced the world needs another chat show, though.”
The world might not, but C4 does - they haven't really got a regular outlet where they can promote their own products or pull in big name guests at the moment.
Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“No not genius as you put it, more like making a point that the most popular programme between 2001 and 2003 in a school of 11 - 18 year olds (which had 2000 pupils) plus the local higher education college (which had around 5000 pupils) is a show that is apparently rating badly.”
“No not genius as you put it, more like making a point that the most popular programme between 2001 and 2003 in a school of 11 - 18 year olds (which had 2000 pupils) plus the local higher education college (which had around 5000 pupils) is a show that is apparently rating badly.”
You're doing exactly what BARB does though - assuming the info from a few people (those you "knew" at school) reflected those of an entire school and college. I doubt at any point you'd questioned all 7000 of those people about Crossroads - yet you are stating as fact it was popular based on a very small sample of people you knew, a sample I suspect is little more than an average class size of 30 or so, less than half a percent of the population.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“BBC Three
21:00- Junior Doctors: 1.04m (4.1%)
* series average: 1.28m (5.22%)
* slot average: 940,000 (3.7%)”
“BBC Three
21:00- Junior Doctors: 1.04m (4.1%)
* series average: 1.28m (5.22%)
* slot average: 940,000 (3.7%)”
A slot average of 940k is very impressive for BBC3. I assume that includes the Junior Doctors episodes.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“You're doing exactly what BARB does though - assuming the info from a few people (those you "knew" at school) reflected those of an entire school and college. I doubt at any point you'd questioned all 7000 of those people about Crossroads - yet you are stating as fact it was popular based on a very small sample of people you knew, a sample I suspect is little more than an average class size of 30 or so, less than half a percent of the population.”
“You're doing exactly what BARB does though - assuming the info from a few people (those you "knew" at school) reflected those of an entire school and college. I doubt at any point you'd questioned all 7000 of those people about Crossroads - yet you are stating as fact it was popular based on a very small sample of people you knew, a sample I suspect is little more than an average class size of 30 or so, less than half a percent of the population.”
Actually no, I'm going by the fact that everywhere you went, you'd hear people going "did you see Crossroads last night?" or "OMG Crossroads was well good last night", and it wouldn't be just the r&r grounds, it was in the classrooms and the halls too.
My point is being missed here. If BARB truly want to represent people in the population, then they need to get many more than they are already surveying!
ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars: The Story So Far - 12.67m (2.7)
9pm - Dancing With The Stars - 18.81m (4.2)
10pm - Body of Proof - 13.85m (3.0)
CBS:
8pm - NCIS - 18.26m (3.8)
9pm - NCIS:LA - 15.21m (3.5)
10pm - The Good Wife - 9.99m (1.9)
FOX:
9.30pm - Traffic Light - 2.60m (1.1)
NBC:
8pm - The Biggest Loser - 7.13m (2.6)
10pm - Parenthood - 4.77m (1.9)
Tvbythenumbers
A rare Tuesday win for ABC. Moved to 9pm, with a recap show as a lead-in and without any competition from American Idol, Dancing With The Stars was up 45% from the same night last year despite declines for the Monday episodes. Meanwhile Body of Proof got off to a reasonable start at 10pm. The Good Wife tied a series low.
Backtracking to Monday, WWE RAW posted some of its best numbers with a 2.3 for the 2 hour broadcast and a particularly high 2.5 for the 10pm hour which drew more than 6m viewers. Still not enough to beat Pawn Stars which jumped to a 2.6 and 6.7m. Being Human was steady at 1.3m (0.5), MTV's Hard Times of RJ Berger posted better numbers than it ever did last summer with 1.4m (0.6).
On ABC Family, The Secret Life of An American Teenager was back with numbers slightly above those of Pretty Little Liars through its recent run in all demos with the exception of teens 12-17. The decision to give Make It Or Break It another shot has worked with stronger ratings than it drew last summer.
Monday Cable
8pm - Dancing With The Stars: The Story So Far - 12.67m (2.7)
9pm - Dancing With The Stars - 18.81m (4.2)
10pm - Body of Proof - 13.85m (3.0)
CBS:
8pm - NCIS - 18.26m (3.8)
9pm - NCIS:LA - 15.21m (3.5)
10pm - The Good Wife - 9.99m (1.9)
FOX:
9.30pm - Traffic Light - 2.60m (1.1)
NBC:
8pm - The Biggest Loser - 7.13m (2.6)
10pm - Parenthood - 4.77m (1.9)
Tvbythenumbers
A rare Tuesday win for ABC. Moved to 9pm, with a recap show as a lead-in and without any competition from American Idol, Dancing With The Stars was up 45% from the same night last year despite declines for the Monday episodes. Meanwhile Body of Proof got off to a reasonable start at 10pm. The Good Wife tied a series low.
Backtracking to Monday, WWE RAW posted some of its best numbers with a 2.3 for the 2 hour broadcast and a particularly high 2.5 for the 10pm hour which drew more than 6m viewers. Still not enough to beat Pawn Stars which jumped to a 2.6 and 6.7m. Being Human was steady at 1.3m (0.5), MTV's Hard Times of RJ Berger posted better numbers than it ever did last summer with 1.4m (0.6).
On ABC Family, The Secret Life of An American Teenager was back with numbers slightly above those of Pretty Little Liars through its recent run in all demos with the exception of teens 12-17. The decision to give Make It Or Break It another shot has worked with stronger ratings than it drew last summer.
Monday Cable
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“
Oh dear. Sounds like a panic measure to me. The kind of thing which might work late night on ITV2, but not on early evening ITV1. The Keith Lemon character needs the freedom to be rude, and only works in small doses i.e. a half-hour show.”
“
Oh dear. Sounds like a panic measure to me. The kind of thing which might work late night on ITV2, but not on early evening ITV1. The Keith Lemon character needs the freedom to be rude, and only works in small doses i.e. a half-hour show.”
So they've picked Keith Lemon as host of Sing If You Can but keeping it pre-Britain's Got Talent? I thought the change of host meant they were going to move it after Briatin's Got Talent as a more adult affair. I think it'd work better if it didn't take itself seriously but I can't see Keith Lemon working as a pre-watershed presenter.
If it's live then long live OFCOM!
Reasonable for the football last night considering it was basically England's reserves playing. BBC1 held up well with a line up which complimented the football. Maybe if ITV are loathed to move the soaps to counter Holby City they should look to air 'bloke TV' on Tuesday nights to compliment BBC1's audience.
From the world of Facebook...
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire UK...
In the hotseat for the live celebrity Mother's Day special on Saturday 2nd April will be David Walliams, Patsy Palmer & Olly Murs! Tune in at 8.25pm!
TV & Satellite Week...
New shows for the week of 9-15 April: The Booth at the End, a new US psychological drama starring 24's Xander Berkeley; Britain's Next Big Thing, with Theo Paphitis; the return of Desperate Housewives and a 'who shot Paul Young' storyline; and the history of the rooms in our homes in If Walls Could Talk. Plus, if you missed it on FX, zombie drama The Walking Dead starts a repeat run on Channel 5
Radio Times.com...
- The Grand National coverage will start at 1:00pm, Saturday 9 April, BBC1
- The Walking Dead comes to Channel 5 at 10:00pm, Sunday 10 April
- Desperate Housewives is back on Channel 4 at 10:00pm, Wednesday 13 April
...- Monty Don's Italian Gardens begins 9:00pm, Friday 15 April, BBC2
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire UK...
In the hotseat for the live celebrity Mother's Day special on Saturday 2nd April will be David Walliams, Patsy Palmer & Olly Murs! Tune in at 8.25pm!
TV & Satellite Week...
New shows for the week of 9-15 April: The Booth at the End, a new US psychological drama starring 24's Xander Berkeley; Britain's Next Big Thing, with Theo Paphitis; the return of Desperate Housewives and a 'who shot Paul Young' storyline; and the history of the rooms in our homes in If Walls Could Talk. Plus, if you missed it on FX, zombie drama The Walking Dead starts a repeat run on Channel 5
Radio Times.com...
- The Grand National coverage will start at 1:00pm, Saturday 9 April, BBC1
- The Walking Dead comes to Channel 5 at 10:00pm, Sunday 10 April
- Desperate Housewives is back on Channel 4 at 10:00pm, Wednesday 13 April
...- Monty Don's Italian Gardens begins 9:00pm, Friday 15 April, BBC2
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“From the world of Facebook...
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire UK...
In the hotseat for the live celebrity Mother's Day special on Saturday 2nd April will be David Walliams, Patsy Palmer & Olly Murs! Tune in at 8.25pm!”
“From the world of Facebook...
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire UK...
In the hotseat for the live celebrity Mother's Day special on Saturday 2nd April will be David Walliams, Patsy Palmer & Olly Murs! Tune in at 8.25pm!”
Although, if the last of these specials is anything to go by, Olly Murs might go home disappointed!
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