Tuesday 5th April - Soap Overnights
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.69m (22.2%)
19:30- EastEnders: 8.18m (36.4%)

ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 7.13m (34.7%) , +1: 171k (0.7%)

Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 960k (5%) , +1: 62k

Channel 5
13:15- Home & Away: 234k (3%)
13:45- Neighbours: 757k (10%)
17:30- Neighbours: 1.2m (8.1%)
18:00- Home & Away: 855k (4.8%)

Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary

Multichannels
BBC Three
22:00- EastEnders: 1.03m (5.3%)

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 407k (2%) , +1: 113k (0.5%)

5*
18:30- Home and Away: 479k (2.5%)

Source: DS

Also DS's other ratings article has updated and says Countrywise had 2.84m (12%) including HD.

It really is not looking good. Shame, because it is very good right now.

Well I wasn't expecting that for Candy Cabs! Looked like one of those comedy-dramas that always end in disaster for BBC One. This still might, of course, but given the promos people can hardy be surprised at what they got if they decided to tune in last night. The Jo Joyner EastEnders connection probably helped. I'm presuming they've been trailing it after the soap?

It's turning out to be a decent year for BBC drama, to be honest. Most returning series are up and they've had more luck with new efforts than we've seen of late. South Riding was a hit, Silk did well enough to return, now Candy Cabs looks promising. Even the cancelled Zen hardly stunk the place out. Only Outcasts flopped (and flopped in style )


Yeah, I don't imagine they'll be too pleased. The Jade Goody shows (which granted, had much more of a morbid draw) were pulling around 1m for the channel IIRC. I think they'd have expected similar from Katie Price who I'm sure ITV2 didn't let go without a rather significant bidding war.

To be honest, I think her appeal is subsiding each time she goes round the predictable relationship spiral. Expect to see Katie or her new prey, er, I mean fella, appearing on a reality show near you some time soon...

where is it between the prodcuers?

over 1 million for EE on BBC 3, I cant figure it, the show is not as good as it was, yet ratings are still good.

Maybe C4 should do what TEN did with Neighbours, and stick it on ELEVEN / E4.

It needs another ad campaign, this time not focusing on a gimmick like 'sexy' new characters or an explosion, just the current storylines.

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The teatime soaps will surely be down even further tonight with the glorious weather conditions prevailing across southern UK.

I expect the football got more viewers than any of the multichannels listed.

Football rarely gets a mention in DS's ratings.

I agree with this. They trailed trial week, but essentially, that's what it was: a week. And when the characters left at the end of that week, any investment that new viewers maybe has having in them, is gone.

There's real quality there at the moment, among some less than great stuff. They need to focus on that and get some of the bigger stars out there promoting: Brendan, Ste, Darren, Nancy, Mitzeee, Warren and so on.

A long term ad campaign wouldn't go amiss either. They used to have a brilliant one during the Kirkwood days.

If Countryfile wasn't a success, there would be no Countrywise. Fact.

Countrywise's first episode (under that branding) was on March 12th 2009, which was actually before Countryfile's first primetime episode on April 5th 2009. So I'm not sure that statement is true - there probably would've been a Countrywise programme even if Countryfile had stayed in daytime. However, there's no doubt about it that the new hour long episodes of Countrywise have been commissioned on the back of Countryfile's success.

But as far as I remember, it was announced in January 2009 that Countryfile would be moving to evenings from that spring. That is definetely enough time for ITV to try their usual tactics and get in first! But I do appreciate your post. At least it's factual.

That's true, it looks like ITV tried to get in with their primetime version first after hearing about the BBC's primetime move of Countryfile. No-one could've foreseen, however, that Countryfile would've been the hit it's become. IIRC before the first primetime episode of Countryfile, most people were predicting it'd get about 4m viewers but it was an instant success with 5.5m. So, it wasn't as if ITV saw the primetime ratings of Countryfile and said "we'd have some of that" by commissioning their own version as a result of Countryfile's primetime success because the primetime Countryfiles hadn't even been shown until one month after the first primetime Countrywise. The primetime Countryfiles could've easily been a flop and axed within a few months, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Edit: It's getting confusing typing in Countrywise and Countryfile so many times !

I really don't think shoving it on E4 is the right thing to do. To be fair, Hollyoaks is broadcast a ridiculous 50 times per week across the 4 network, so the viewing figures are somewhat spread.


Agreed. A weekly trailer campaign advertising the key storylines (Brendan, Ste, Silas etc) would be enough to generate a bit more interest.

Glen Beck is to leave his daily show at Fox News by the end of the year, he will however continue to have a 'partnership' with FNC.

http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn...he-year-2011-4

While his ratings have declined in recent months, he was still pulling in remarkable figures for a 5pm ET broadcast.

Don't mean to bring this back up, but MG say the Big Brother deal for Channel 5 is £200m for 2 years... so £100 million per year. That seems a huge fee. I know the Channel 4 deal was a lot, but I don't think it was near £100 million per year, was it? Paying that much in my view is ridiculous.

Does anyone know Channel 5's programming budget as well, because that £100 million per year deal must have took a mammoth slice out of it.

The £200m thing can't be right. As you say, that would mean £100m a year which is 100% incorrect given that C4 paid £60m a year between 2008-2010 which was considered too much anyway. The amount Channel 5 has paid is reported to be "considerably lower" than what Channel 4 paid.

Looks like another contender for Tuesday night 'Flopzone' status :

Military Driving School (with Jeremy Kyle)

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...l/default.html

Agreed. The figure simply has to be inaccurate.

£100m is almost as much as Desmond paid for Channel 5 in the first place.

I would suggest that £40m for 2 years, with an option of extending this to 5 years (£40m x 5 = £200m) sounds more likely.

MediaGuardian's shoddy reporting of this deal has been a lowlight for the flagging website.

Even at £40m, I still think that would be too much for Channel 5 to pay (unless the no. of hours of BB per year is a significant increase over the previous contract). The reasoning being that £40m would be a 33% cut from C4's 2008-2010 contract but the ratings will also be automatically down by 20/30% simply by switching to Channel 5. And that's compared to a contract which was deemed to be expensive in the first place. Given that Channel 4 were paying £40m per year between 2006-2007 which was around the peak period for the show and there's no "bidding war" between broadcasters this time around, I think realistically Channel 5 should be paying something about £20-30 million per year (certainly not as much as £40m IMO).

It's on at 7:30pm, so not really FlopZone seeing as 7:30pm doesn't directly affect the 8pm ratings.

As for Big Brother, £30 million to £40 million seems a lot more accurate.

It does sound like a hell of a lot of money out of a (relatively) small programming budget, but it does provide a lot of content and it seems the runs will be longer than those on Channel 4. The fact remains unless we know how profitable BB was for Channel 4 during those years, we don't know how good a deal it could be for Channel 5 at that price. An additional revenue stream could open up if C5 offer a subscription based live feed to digital TV viewers using the same system Desmond's adult TV channels implement.

No doubt C5 have overpaid for it - and they'll pay the price in more ways than one.

Well surely The One Show is the last thing anybody wants to be watching on their way home from the (closed down) pub on a Friday. If budgets are being cut for late night, surely Friday and Saturday at least are the two nights where there should still be content, even if it is just films.


The irony of it too. Didn't expect Campus to bomb that badly, but Tuesdays 10pm is not the time for C4 to be playing comedy, and a 60-70 minute slot isn't the slot for the first series of a sitcom. It would surely have easily topped 1m in a Friday night 30-minute slot.


Exactly - do we know the average for the 10pm slot at the moment, as I struggle to see BB topping 1.5m regularly, which would certainly be below the likes of CSI and I suspect other imports too.


Fifth, not last! Seriously though a show like Fern just needs time to build - and week 2 being up on week 1 (even if just thanks to a scheduling change elsewhere) is good news. I do think though a four-week trial series is a mistake - riskier it may be, but these sort of shows need to have the chance to become a part of peoples routines, so I think C4 should have given her eight weeks at least.

I would suggest though even if it doesn't grow beyond the million mark C4 are best giving her a second chance rather than try and find another chat show for the slot (or just rely on Come Dine with Me). I see now too after five consecutive days without an episode they're back to Come Dine with Me marathons in the afternoons again.

New episodes of CSI do not air at 10pm unless you count the Saturdays where a particularly late finish for Casualty sends NY into a late slot.

The slot average for Channel 5 at 10pm is probably not much higher than about 1m.