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The Ratings Thread (Part 18)
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iaindb
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Regarding Waterloo Road returning on 4th May. That means Life of Riley will have to be moved from its 8.30pm timeslot mid-series. Presumably it'll be shifted back to 7.30pm but then one wonders, why didn't the BBC schedule it for 7.30pm in the first place right from episode 1? Makes no sense to me why they've put the first 3 episodes in a 8.30-9pm slot when 7.30-8pm would've been better and a more natural slot to put it in.”

Or more presumably they're getting ready to move Waterloo Road to 7.30. As a school drama, it does have a large kids' audience.
mlt11
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Northern Ireland's Rory McIlroy leads the US Masters golf by 3 shots as I type, which should ensure a healthy audience here at the weekend.
Sky Sports are limiting their ad breaks during live coverage to 60 seconds, I guess to ensure people don't flick over to the BBC.”

Sky are simply matching the ESPN ad breaks and they will presumably match CBS over the weekend.

The ad breaks during The Masters are far, far shorter than any normal American TV programming (or indeed normal British commercial TV).

The BBC will not show a single live shot over the weekend when Sky are on an ad break (they may show additional taped shots of UK players not shown on CBS).
Fudd
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Or more presumably they're getting ready to move Waterloo Road to 7.30. As a school drama, it does have a large kids' audience.”

I think that's a good idea. It means it gets the jump on the ITV 8pm slot, and there could be a crossover audience with Emmerdale.
ZoeMcCallister
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Or more presumably they're getting ready to move Waterloo Road to 7.30. As a school drama, it does have a large kids' audience.”

Yeah that'd be a great idea. That slot has been crying out for a drama/soap since Corrie was moved and WR could really capitalise on that.
Andy23
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by ZoeMcCallister:
“Yeah that'd be a great idea. That slot has been crying out for a drama/soap since Corrie was moved and WR could really capitalise on that.”

Would you want it to turn even more into Grange Hill targeting a younger audience at 7.30?
Dancc
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Would you want it to turn even more into Grange Hill targeting a younger audience at 7.30?”

Would it really pitch itself that much younger at 7:30 than it does currently at 8:00?

I don't think so myself. If it was being moved to 5:30 that would be a different story. But that would never happen, because The Weakest Link has seemingly bagged that slot for all eternity.
Charnham
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“It's almost as if he is under-predicting, to make a slightly lower rating actually look like a fantastic rating! ”

oh come on, do people really do that here?
Score
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by ZoeMcCallister:
“Yeah that'd be a great idea. That slot has been crying out for a drama/soap since Corrie was moved and WR could really capitalise on that.”

Not sure if moving it to an early slot is the best idea for a late-Spring/Summer run though as it would be dented. Maybe it'd be worth a try in the Autumn but I'd prefer it to stay at 8pm.
iaindb
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Score:
“Not sure if moving it to an early slot is the best idea for a late-Spring/Summer run though as it would be dented. Maybe it'd be worth a try in the Autumn but I'd prefer it to stay at 8pm.”

Even at the height of summer Corrie and Eastenders can get 7m+ in a 7.30 slot in the overnights so WR should be able to stay above its usual 4m+ audience at that time.
dan2008
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by ZoeMcCallister:
“Yeah that'd be a great idea. That slot has been crying out for a drama/soap since Corrie was moved and WR could really capitalise on that.”

After 10 weeks they will be back to showing DIY SOS repeats or whatever rubbish they are showing next week.

EastEnders will no doubt go 5 nights sooner or later (im surpised the BBC hasn't jumped at the weds 7:30 slot)
and i think they could have EastEnders at 7:30pm and then the 8:00pm slots can be filled with Waterloo road,Holby Specials and new Comedy's
Charnham
08-04-2011
the last thing EastEnders needs is a 5th episode.
dan2008
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“the last thing EastEnders needs is a 5th episode.”

All the other soaps are 5/6+ times a week so i don't see the problem.
EastEnders has a big enough cast and set to carry a 5th episode anyway
Charnham
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“All the other soaps are 5/6+ times a week so i don't see the problem.
EastEnders has a big enough cast and set to carry a 5th episode anyway”

big enough cast true, but the qualty has already dropped, stretching it across 5 episodes, would make it even worse.

If Corrie of Ememrdale jumped off a cliff, would you do the same?
dan2008
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“big enough cast true, but the qualty has already dropped, stretching it across 5 episodes, would make it even worse.

If Corrie of Ememrdale jumped off a cliff, would you do the same?”

I don't agree.
Yeah Eastenders had it's dull weeks but atm it's on form and even looking in the soap forum people are saying how the other 2 soaps quality has dropped and EastEnders has got stronger and the last couple of episodes felt like 'Eastenders' and with a huge week next week i think the quality will remain high for weeks to come.

I said 'ALL' soaps not just Emmerdale and corrie but all soaps bar EastEnders is on 5 or more times aweek
Charnham
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I don't agree.
Yeah Eastenders had it's dull weeks but atm it's on form and even looking in the soap forum people are saying how the other 2 soaps quality has dropped and EastEnders has got stronger and the last couple of episodes felt like 'Eastenders' and with a huge week next week i think the quality will remain high for weeks to come.”

I cant speak for the other soaps, and how good or bad they have gotten, but I would hardly say EastEnders has gotten stronger.

If by comparsion with the other soaps, it looks like EastEnders has gotten stronger, then things must be really bad for the other soaps.

Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I said 'ALL' soaps not just Emmerdale and corrie but all soaps bar EastEnders is on 5 or more times aweek”

ok if all the other soaps, featured the devil, killed people with a ray gun, should EastEnders do that?
dan2008
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I cant speak for the other soaps, and how good or bad they have gotten, but I would hardly say EastEnders has gotten stronger.

If by comparsion with the other soaps, it looks like EastEnders has gotten stronger, then things must be really bad for the other soaps.

ok if all the other soaps, featured the devil, killed people with a ray gun, should EastEnders do that?”

Looking at EastEnders this past week it seemed like 'old' EastEnders and the next 2 months or so has alot of massive stuff coming up including the Baby swap reveal,a wedding and a massive lorry/car smash which leaves max
Spoiler
fighting for his life
and that plays out From Thursday and right across the next 6 episodes.

Of course not and now your just being stupid.

It's obvious that at some point EastEnders 'WILL' get a 5th episode
Charnham
08-04-2011
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Looking at EastEnders this past week it seemed like 'old' EastEnders and the next 2 months or so has alot of massive stuff coming up including the Baby swap reveal,a wedding and a massive lorry/car smash which leaves max
Spoiler
fighting for his life
and that plays out From Thursday and right across the next 6 episodes.”

maybe alot of stuff is happening in EE, I dont recall the show ever being so action packed before, Kirkwood has yet LOADS of stunts, that is not always the mark of a good producer, its the mark of one who needs big dramatic things to happen to move the plot along, which isnt how EastEnders works.

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“Of course not and now your just being stupid.”

I dont understand the idea that because Corrie has 6 episodes a week, EastEnders HAS to have 5. Can you explain WHY that is the case?

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“It's obvious that at some point EastEnders 'WILL' get a 5th episode”

I see nothing to suggest that, certainly not to be putting will in captail letters like you have.
dan2008
09-04-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“maybe alot of stuff is happening in EE, I dont recall the show ever being so action packed before, Kirkwood has yet LOADS of stunts, that is not always the mark of a good producer, its the mark of one who needs big dramatic things to happen to move the plot along, which isnt how EastEnders works.

I dont understand the idea that because Corrie has 6 episodes a week, EastEnders HAS to have 5. Can you explain WHY that is the case?

I see nothing to suggest that, certainly not to be putting will in captail letters like you have.”

Well there's lots of drama over the coming weeks but most of it is what EastEnders usually does well.

The Baby swap reveal,the rest of Whitney's storyline and the masood's,plus janine's Grandmother

The cople of 'Happy' episodes which will air on 28/29th and will feature a huge Walford street party and Cockney style wedding

so there is alot happening but the stunt is to have
Spoiler
max in a coma and to test Tanya to see if she really wants greg over max


Since Kirkwood has taken over we have only had the Vic Fire episode because the roof on Thursday wasn't even a stunt so it's not really alot of stunts.

I don't know why thats the case but it does seem like one one adds and episode the other adds another (Eastenders added a 4th so corrie then added a 5th)

The media are always saying how the BBC are planning to show a 5th episode and with all the cuts they are making i think a 5th episode could be very possible
C14E
09-04-2011
Remember that 5 episodes for Corrie is different to 5 for Eastenders. Corrie is maybe 22-24 minutes a night? Whereas EE must be more like 28-29.
Charnham
09-04-2011
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Well there's lots of drama over the coming weeks but most of it is what EastEnders usually does well.

The Baby swap reveal,the rest of Whitney's storyline and the masood's,plus janine's Grandmother

The cople of 'Happy' episodes which will air on 28/29th and will feature a huge Walford street party and Cockney style wedding

so there is alot happening but the stunt is to have
Spoiler
max in a coma and to test Tanya to see if she really wants greg over max
”

lets us not use the babyswap to try and make EastEnders look good, the storyline was always a mistake.

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“Since Kirkwood has taken over we have only had the Vic Fire episode because the roof on Thursday wasn't even a stunt so it's not really alot of stunts.”

I most have imanged Janine & Ryan fiming at the Nene Valley Railway, for what turned out to be an utterly pointless cliffhanger.

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“The media are always saying how the BBC are planning to show a 5th episode and with all the cuts they are making i think a 5th episode could be very possible”

the media say alot, and actually im not convinced that the BBCs "Putting Quality Frist" review is going to find need for a 5th eipsode of EastEnders, more likely to cut it to 3 episodes, try and inject some variety into 7pm - 9pm.

The show isnt as good as it was, and Kirkwood is just not up to the job, giving him a 5th episdoes, is maybe the single worst thing the BBC could do for EE at the moment.
dan2008
09-04-2011
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Remember that 5 episodes for Corrie is different to 5 for Eastenders. Corrie is maybe 22-24 minutes a night? Whereas EE must be more like 28-29.”

Sometimes.
EastEnders episodes are sometimes shorter//or longer.

There can be 24-30 mins episodes and it's known to air episodes 33-40 mins long quite a bit too.
dan2008
09-04-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“lets us not use the babyswap to try and make EastEnders look good, the storyline was always a mistake.

I most have imanged Janine & Ryan fiming at the Nene Valley Railway, for what turned out to be an utterly pointless cliffhanger.

the media say alot, and actually im not convinced that the BBCs "Putting Quality Frist" review is going to find need for a 5th eipsode of EastEnders, more likely to cut it to 3 episodes, try and inject some variety into 7pm - 9pm.

The show isnt as good as it was, and Kirkwood is just not up to the job, giving him a 5th episdoes, is maybe the single worst thing the BBC could do for EE at the moment.”

I didn't see that as a 'stunt' anyway and the Baby swap storyline might not have been popular with everyone but nodoubt the reveal will be Eastenders at it's very best.
dan2008
09-04-2011
I never liked or Disliked Bryan Kirkwood but after a rocky start (and some boring months Oct-Dec and Feb) it seems he's taking the show in the right direction with some brilliant storylines and some great additions to the cast.

Janine's grandmother is like a Lou Beale/Pauline fowler type character and then you have David Essex coming in soon along with a whole new family
grahamzxy
09-04-2011
Eastenders has some great characters and interesting plot lines - running Monday to Friday could be a good idea but not totally necessary. Writing almost 120mins of quality drama a week is a challenge but with a cast of 30-40 - it is just several minutes each, so it not out of the question to extend this by 25%.

Soap ratings dropped Thursday night - hope they bounce back for Friday overnights - EE next week ought remain at 10+ million for each of the 4 episodes.
Charnham
09-04-2011
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I didn't see that as a 'stunt' anyway and the Baby swap storyline might not have been popular with everyone but nodoubt the reveal will be Eastenders at it's very best.”

the reveal will be a sigh of relief amongst fans, as the horrible memory can finally be put to bed.
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