Which handset is the King of Smartphones? Gadget Show, 14 March 2011

Gary Glimmer · 27-03-2011, 17:29

how many brands have ios?

how many brands have android?

psionic · 27-03-2011, 18:36

Quote:

how many brands have ios?

how many brands have android?

Having their own brand of OS on their own brand of phone isn't a monopoly surely?

Having the same brand of OS on ALL phones would be more like a monopoly I would have thought.

Gormond · 27-03-2011, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by psionic

Having their own brand of OS on their own brand of phone isn't a monopoly surely?

Having the same brand of OS on ALL phones would be more like a monopoly I would have thought.

Indeed, all PS3s use Sony's OS, does that mean they also have a monopoly, same goes for Xbox and Wii, even blackberry and palm (now HP).

Gary Glimmer · 27-03-2011, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer

how many brands have ios?

how many brands have android?

Answer..

ios = 1

android = loads

back to school for you.

IslandNiles · 27-03-2011, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer

Answer..

ios = 1

android = loads

back to school for you.

You really need to look up what it actually means to have a monopoly. This has nothing to do with it.

Gary Glimmer · 27-03-2011, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandNiles

You really need to look up what it actually means to have a monopoly. This has nothing to do with it.

err, you do..

In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.

Why do iphone users argue that black is white??

grumpyoldbat · 27-03-2011, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer

err, you do..

In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.

Why do iphone users argue that black is white??

If you think it's an illegal monopoly, this is who you need to complain to:

http://www.competition-commission.or...t_us/index.htm

TheBigM · 27-03-2011, 21:25

You are all correct but not entirely. Apple does have a monopoly in selling iOS based products. However what competition authorities are concerned is the abuse of "significant market power" to the detriment of consumers.

The competition authorities define what is the "relevant market", it's actually the first stage of any decision/report they undertake.

For simplicity, let's go back 5 years to the days of Apple's iPod. Apple has a monopoly on the sale of iPods. But, from the competition authorities' point of view the relevant market would not have been iPods, it could have been mp3 players, it could even have portable audio devices in general. The closeness of substitutes matters.

grumpyoldbat · 27-03-2011, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigM

You are all correct but not entirely. Apple does have a monopoly in selling iOS based products. However what competition authorities are concerned is the abuse of "significant market power" to the detriment of consumers.

The competition authorities define what is the "relevant market", it's actually the first stage of any decision/report they undertake.

For simplicity, let's go back 5 years to the days of Apple's iPod. Apple has a monopoly on the sale of iPods. But, from the competition authorities' point of view the relevant market would not have been iPods, it could have been mp3 players, it could even have portable audio devices in general. The closeness of substitutes matters.

Exactly, if it was detrimental to the market to have your own OS, BlackBerry would have been investigated years ago. Just because Apple make the OS and the hardware doesn't mean it's illegal. Clearly the above poster doesn't have a Scooby about how business works, either that or they're just here to wind everyone else up. Come to think of it....

IslandNiles · 27-03-2011, 21:44

So it seems the point being made is that Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. But that's a nonsensical point. It isn't a monopoly, it's simply a proprietary OS. As someone pointed out earlier, do Sony have a monopoly on the PS3 operating system, or Microsoft on the Xbox one, or BlackBerry?

Apple do not have a monopoly in the phone market. What exactly is the point being made?

psionic · 27-03-2011, 21:46

My Fiat car only supports a Fiat engine. Damn those sneaky sods having a monopoly. Oh well at least they don't make the petrol for it too!

Gary Glimmer · 27-03-2011, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by psionic

My Fiat car only supports a Fiat engine. Damn those sneaky sods having a monopoly. Oh well at least they don't make the petrol for it too!

Wrong, your little car supports whatever engine you can shoehorn into the thing.

Gary Glimmer · 27-03-2011, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer

how many brands have ios?

how many brands have android?

just trying to see where i said they have a monopoly in the phone market...
nope..
cant see it...
operating system...
take your blinkers off for one second.

IslandNiles · 27-03-2011, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer

just trying to see where i said they have a monopoly in the phone market...
nope..
cant see it...
operating system...
take your blinkers off for one second.

Really, what are you going on about? Apple makes the hardware and software for their devices. That isn't a monopoly, the idea of which doesn't make any sense in the context of what you're saying. Please explain how it's any different to BlackBerry.

Stiggles · 28-03-2011, 11:59

Apple don't have a monopoly on phones whatsoever.

Also with bugs like this hitting the iphone again today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12878517 glad i got rid of mine lol

flagpole · 28-03-2011, 12:31

i can't believe the alarm failed again.

Red Arrow · 28-03-2011, 12:36

But come on guys, any sensible person wouldn't use a smartphone as an alarm clock! Or so certain members here would lead you to believe but are unable to do so again due to being on an extended 'holiday'.

That is pretty poor PR for Apple, to have that happen 3 times now is shocking.

IslandNiles · 28-03-2011, 12:42

It is pretty dismal that the bug hasn't been fixed by now. It creates a wave of bad publicity for Apple every six months.

My clock went forward automatically and the alarm went off at the right time (single, non-recurrent alarm set the night before), but I had another alarm clock set just in case.

It's a minor bug in the scheme of things, but it still should have been sorted by now.

Skinto McGinto · 28-03-2011, 12:54

Hmm...

I prepared for the Alarm bug. I even set a timer to run so that the alarm for that would wake me up at my usual time - without changing the recurring alarms I'd set ages ago.

I was then woken up to my alarms as normal. As well as the timer.

Based on this, I was quite shocked at the reporting of the Alarms Bug raising its head again. I'd updated to 4.3.1 on Friday, so don't know if that's the reason why I myself wasn't affected.

Anyone else? Or am I just utterly jammy?

ironleg · 28-03-2011, 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinto McGinto

Hmm...

I prepared for the Alarm bug. I even set a timer to run so that the alarm for that would wake me up at my usual time - without changing the recurring alarms I'd set ages ago.

I was then woken up to my alarms as normal. As well as the timer.

Based on this, I was quite shocked at the reporting of the Alarms Bug raising its head again. I'd updated to 4.3.1 on Friday, so don't know if that's the reason why I myself wasn't affected.

Anyone else? Or am I just utterly jammy?

You're not alone, mine went off OK too, I'd also updated the software.
Very strange!!!

ACU · 28-03-2011, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Arrow

But come on guys, any sensible person wouldn't use a smartphone as an alarm clock! Or so certain members here would lead you to believe but are unable to do so again due to being on an extended 'holiday'.

That is pretty poor PR for Apple, to have that happen 3 times now is shocking.

some would say its alarming

unklesam · 28-03-2011, 17:29

I ditched my iPhone for good and don't regret it. Sadly I think alot are catching onto the fact iPhones are over priced and over rated, took me a while to catch onto this all the same

grumpyoldbat · 28-03-2011, 19:06

My regular 5pm alarm went off as expected today, so I thought it had been fixed in the last update.

brangdon · 28-03-2011, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat

If you think it's an illegal monopoly, this is who you need to complain to:

Monopolies aren't intrinsically illegal.

And what Apple actually has isn't so much a monopoly as a closed system. They control it all. There are benefits to this: they can ensure all parts of the system work together and are of high quality. Although I don't have any Apple products, I think it is an interesting and valid approach, and I'm glad someone is trying it. My world is better for Apple existing.

grumpyoldbat · 28-03-2011, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by brangdon

Monopolies aren't intrinsically illegal.

And what Apple actually has isn't so much a monopoly as a closed system. They control it all. There are benefits to this: they can ensure all parts of the system work together and are of high quality. Although I don't have any Apple products, I think it is an interesting and valid approach, and I'm glad someone is trying it. My world is better for Apple existing.

I may, when posting the above link, have been a little sarcastic.

27-03-2011, 18:36	#227
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer how many brands have ios? how many brands have android? Having their own brand of OS on their own brand of phone isn't a monopoly surely? Having the same brand of OS on ALL phones would be more like a monopoly I would have thought.

27-03-2011, 17:29	#226
Gary Glimmer Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 196	how many brands have ios? how many brands have android?

27-03-2011, 18:48	#228
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic Having their own brand of OS on their own brand of phone isn't a monopoly surely? Having the same brand of OS on ALL phones would be more like a monopoly I would have thought. Indeed, all PS3s use Sony's OS, does that mean they also have a monopoly, same goes for Xbox and Wii, even blackberry and palm (now HP).

27-03-2011, 20:29	#229
Gary Glimmer Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 196	Quote: Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer how many brands have ios? how many brands have android? Answer.. ios = 1 android = loads back to school for you.

27-03-2011, 20:38	#230
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer Answer.. ios = 1 android = loads back to school for you. You really need to look up what it actually means to have a monopoly. This has nothing to do with it.

27-03-2011, 21:02	#231
Gary Glimmer Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 196	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles You really need to look up what it actually means to have a monopoly. This has nothing to do with it. err, you do.. In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. Why do iphone users argue that black is white??

27-03-2011, 21:22	#232
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	Quote: Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer err, you do.. In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. Why do iphone users argue that black is white?? If you think it's an illegal monopoly, this is who you need to complain to: http://www.competition-commission.or...t_us/index.htm

27-03-2011, 21:25	#233
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	You are all correct but not entirely. Apple does have a monopoly in selling iOS based products. However what competition authorities are concerned is the abuse of "significant market power" to the detriment of consumers. The competition authorities define what is the "relevant market", it's actually the first stage of any decision/report they undertake. For simplicity, let's go back 5 years to the days of Apple's iPod. Apple has a monopoly on the sale of iPods. But, from the competition authorities' point of view the relevant market would not have been iPods, it could have been mp3 players, it could even have portable audio devices in general. The closeness of substitutes matters.

27-03-2011, 21:29	#234
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	Quote: Originally Posted by TheBigM You are all correct but not entirely. Apple does have a monopoly in selling iOS based products. However what competition authorities are concerned is the abuse of "significant market power" to the detriment of consumers. The competition authorities define what is the "relevant market", it's actually the first stage of any decision/report they undertake. For simplicity, let's go back 5 years to the days of Apple's iPod. Apple has a monopoly on the sale of iPods. But, from the competition authorities' point of view the relevant market would not have been iPods, it could have been mp3 players, it could even have portable audio devices in general. The closeness of substitutes matters. Exactly, if it was detrimental to the market to have your own OS, BlackBerry would have been investigated years ago. Just because Apple make the OS and the hardware doesn't mean it's illegal. Clearly the above poster doesn't have a Scooby about how business works, either that or they're just here to wind everyone else up. Come to think of it....

27-03-2011, 21:44	#235
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	So it seems the point being made is that Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. But that's a nonsensical point. It isn't a monopoly, it's simply a proprietary OS. As someone pointed out earlier, do Sony have a monopoly on the PS3 operating system, or Microsoft on the Xbox one, or BlackBerry? Apple do not have a monopoly in the phone market. What exactly is the point being made?

27-03-2011, 21:46	#236
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	My Fiat car only supports a Fiat engine. Damn those sneaky sods having a monopoly. Oh well at least they don't make the petrol for it too!

27-03-2011, 23:16	#237
Gary Glimmer Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 196	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic My Fiat car only supports a Fiat engine. Damn those sneaky sods having a monopoly. Oh well at least they don't make the petrol for it too! Wrong, your little car supports whatever engine you can shoehorn into the thing.

27-03-2011, 23:18	#238
Gary Glimmer Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 196	Quote: Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer how many brands have ios? how many brands have android? just trying to see where i said they have a monopoly in the phone market... nope.. cant see it... operating system... take your blinkers off for one second.

27-03-2011, 23:24	#239
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by Gary Glimmer just trying to see where i said they have a monopoly in the phone market... nope.. cant see it... operating system... take your blinkers off for one second. Really, what are you going on about? Apple makes the hardware and software for their devices. That isn't a monopoly, the idea of which doesn't make any sense in the context of what you're saying. Please explain how it's any different to BlackBerry.

28-03-2011, 11:59	#240
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,292	Apple don't have a monopoly on phones whatsoever. Also with bugs like this hitting the iphone again today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12878517 glad i got rid of mine lol

28-03-2011, 12:31	#241
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	i can't believe the alarm failed again.

28-03-2011, 12:36	#242
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	But come on guys, any sensible person wouldn't use a smartphone as an alarm clock! Or so certain members here would lead you to believe but are unable to do so again due to being on an extended 'holiday'. That is pretty poor PR for Apple, to have that happen 3 times now is shocking.

28-03-2011, 12:42	#243
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	It is pretty dismal that the bug hasn't been fixed by now. It creates a wave of bad publicity for Apple every six months. My clock went forward automatically and the alarm went off at the right time (single, non-recurrent alarm set the night before), but I had another alarm clock set just in case. It's a minor bug in the scheme of things, but it still should have been sorted by now.

28-03-2011, 12:54	#244
Skinto McGinto Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 80	Hmm... I prepared for the Alarm bug. I even set a timer to run so that the alarm for that would wake me up at my usual time - without changing the recurring alarms I'd set ages ago. I was then woken up to my alarms as normal. As well as the timer. Based on this, I was quite shocked at the reporting of the Alarms Bug raising its head again. I'd updated to 4.3.1 on Friday, so don't know if that's the reason why I myself wasn't affected. Anyone else? Or am I just utterly jammy?

28-03-2011, 17:17	#245
ironleg Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 112	Quote: Originally Posted by Skinto McGinto Hmm... I prepared for the Alarm bug. I even set a timer to run so that the alarm for that would wake me up at my usual time - without changing the recurring alarms I'd set ages ago. I was then woken up to my alarms as normal. As well as the timer. Based on this, I was quite shocked at the reporting of the Alarms Bug raising its head again. I'd updated to 4.3.1 on Friday, so don't know if that's the reason why I myself wasn't affected. Anyone else? Or am I just utterly jammy? You're not alone, mine went off OK too, I'd also updated the software. Very strange!!!

28-03-2011, 17:26	#246
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by Red Arrow But come on guys, any sensible person wouldn't use a smartphone as an alarm clock! Or so certain members here would lead you to believe but are unable to do so again due to being on an extended 'holiday'. That is pretty poor PR for Apple, to have that happen 3 times now is shocking. some would say its alarming

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28-03-2011, 17:29	#247
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	I ditched my iPhone for good and don't regret it. Sadly I think alot are catching onto the fact iPhones are over priced and over rated, took me a while to catch onto this all the same

28-03-2011, 19:06	#248
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	My regular 5pm alarm went off as expected today, so I thought it had been fixed in the last update.

28-03-2011, 20:14	#249
brangdon Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 11,878	Quote: Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat If you think it's an illegal monopoly, this is who you need to complain to: Monopolies aren't intrinsically illegal. And what Apple actually has isn't so much a monopoly as a closed system. They control it all. There are benefits to this: they can ensure all parts of the system work together and are of high quality. Although I don't have any Apple products, I think it is an interesting and valid approach, and I'm glad someone is trying it. My world is better for Apple existing.

28-03-2011, 22:30	#250
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	Quote: Originally Posted by brangdon Monopolies aren't intrinsically illegal. And what Apple actually has isn't so much a monopoly as a closed system. They control it all. There are benefits to this: they can ensure all parts of the system work together and are of high quality. Although I don't have any Apple products, I think it is an interesting and valid approach, and I'm glad someone is trying it. My world is better for Apple existing. I may, when posting the above link, have been a little sarcastic.