Which handset is the King of Smartphones? Gadget Show, 14 March 2011

Margo Channing · 17-03-2011, 15:22

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Originally Posted by ACU

Am amusing review of The Gadget show program.

oh god I am crying laughing reading that

Red Arrow · 17-03-2011, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Margo Channing

oh god I am crying laughing reading that

I just read that

While laughing at the funny writing style I was gob-smacked at how one-sided the review was. Nexus S won most of the tests yet they declared the iPhone 4 the winner, how does that work?

Staunchy · 17-03-2011, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Red Arrow

I just read that

While laughing at the funny writing style I was gob-smacked at how one-sided the review was. Nexus S won most of the tests yet they declared the iPhone 4 the winner, how does that work?

They run these tests as an elimination process, whoever "wins" the final test is crowned king. The obvious flaw is that running the tests in a different order can result in a different winner.

ih8mondays · 17-03-2011, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Staunchy

They run these tests as an elimination process, whoever "wins" the final test is crowned king. The obvious flaw is that running the tests in a different order can result in a different winner.

Exactly.

And not everyone wants every feature in a phone - so it'd be much better for the consumers if they tested all the phones to the end, then awarded the winner based on the most tests passed.

Vallhund · 17-03-2011, 17:21

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Originally Posted by DotNetWill

Also there is more ways to make money on a platform than just pure sales. Spotify's app is free so by your logic they aren't making any money from mobile platforms, I bet they see it differently.

Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS.

Stiggles · 17-03-2011, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS.

Don't think anyone has said they are making more money just now.

What is happening now though is devs are moving over to Android because the potential to make more money is there. Google take a lot less than Apple and they can have an ad supported version and a paid version of their app on Android.

Vallhund · 17-03-2011, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Don't think anyone has said they are making more money just now.

What is happening now though is devs are moving over to Android because the potential to make more money is there. Google take a lot less than Apple and they can have an ad supported version and a paid version of their app on Android.

One poster was claiming that developers were making more money from Android.

There are free and paid for versions of iOS apps too and far more downloads of iOS apps.

I am not casting any aspersions on Android, but it doesn't appear that Android apps are a goldmine for developers.

neo_wales · 17-03-2011, 17:43

Vallhund re: post #102, I don't like being refered to as a Monkey, you really should apologise for that remark, and watch your tone in future posts, you just came a micron away from the alert button and another holiday.

DotNetWill · 17-03-2011, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS.

I didn't claim they were, no one did. Nice how you ignore the rest of the post where I call out your comments, classy

clonmult · 17-03-2011, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS.

I don't think thats been said as such; although some app developers are likely to make a larger profit from Android devices due to being able to do in-app purchases however they see fit, and not always having Apple taking a 30% cut.

But it is interesting that while iOS makes considerably more money than the opposition, apparently the Ovi store is more profitable (on sales) than the Android Marketplace.

MyMobileDeal · 17-03-2011, 18:20

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Originally Posted by clonmult

But it is interesting that while iOS makes considerably more money than the opposition, apparently the Ovi store is more profitable (on sales) than the Android Marketplace.

Because Android is about users rather than sales - much better to get a free app onto 1m devices than sell 1000 copies of a paid app

Vallhund · 17-03-2011, 18:31

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Originally Posted by neo_wales

Vallhund re: post #102, I don't like being refered to as a Monkey, you really should apologise for that remark, and watch your tone in future posts, you just came a micron away from the alert button and another holiday.

Not guilty!!

Have you become an OEM? That is who I was referring to. They make peanuts on their products hence they must be .....

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Originally Posted by DotNetWill

I didn't claim they were, no one did. Nice how you ignore the rest of the post where I call out your comments

Actually someone did. (see below)

I found your comments to be rather off base. Apple fragmentation? You can update your iOS device whenever you want. Try doing that with an Android device.

Over 97% of Android users still aren’t up to date, fragmentation continues

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Of course things can rival it seeing as its not the top dog now!

App store, well depends. Apple one was better but now Google's marketplace for android has caught up, devs now want to concentrate on it more as it pays better than apple, so i can see this slipping up from apple soon enough.

iPhone not the top dog? Proof?

Google's marketplace has caught up? Proof?

devs want to concentrate on it more? Proof?

Stiggles · 17-03-2011, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

snipped

I'll tell you what to do. Go and read up on the subject properly instead of concentrating on everything apple. You admit you don't even have an iphone so why on earth are you even here? What does it even matter to you? Bet you don't answer this.

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I found your comments to be rather off base. Apple fragmentation? You can update your iOS device whenever you want. Try doing that with an Android device. :cry

Clueless. Absolutely clueless.

You can only update you iOS device once apple decide to release an update which still nearly a year later has bugs in it.

With Android you can only install the update when the vendor releases it. Tell me exactly what is different?

And sorry, but im not going to read or believe anything that starts off with appleheadlines.com lmao

They are taking Android 2.3, 2.3.3 and 3.0 which have only just come out weeks ago. 1 of them 3.0 is only for tablets only just announced!! 2.3. hasnt even been released yet as far as i know. This is almost as bad as your link to do with bank charges not long ago lol

Vallhund · 17-03-2011, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I'll tell you what to do. Go and read up on the subject properly instead of concentrating on everything apple. You admit you don't even have an iphone so why on earth are you even here? What does it even matter to you? Bet you don't answer this.

Wrong as usual, but not in doubt.

I think it is you who need to read on the subject properly.

Developers express concern over pirated games on Android Market

Actually I did buy an iPhone for one of my teenagers and shall get another iPhone (either a 4 or a 5) when the contract runs out later this year. I will probably buy a Blackberry this summer and when the contract runs out on my Nokia E72 next year I might get an iPhone 6, but whatever is good will be in the running.

Can I be fairer than that?

As for your edited comments. Android updates are dependent on vendors not when Google puts it out. There is a difference, a big difference from iOS.

From Peter Vesterbacka at Rovio.

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Android is growing, but it’s also growing complexity at the same time. Device fragmentation not the issue, but rather the fragmentation of the ecosystem. So many different shops, so many different models. The carriers messing with the experience again. Open but not really open, a very Google-centric ecosystem.”

Stiggles · 17-03-2011, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

Wrong as usual, but not in doubt.

I think it is you who need to read on the subject properly.

Developers express concern over pirated games on Android Market

That means nothing at all.

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Actually I did buy an iPhone for one of my teenagers and shall get another iPhone (either a 4 or a 5) when the contract runs out later this year. I will probably buy a Blackberry this summer and when the contract runs out on my Nokia E72 next year I might get an iPhone 6, but whatever is good will be in the running.

Can I be fairer than that?

So you dont have one then?

Staunchy · 17-03-2011, 19:19

Like Job's "Flash is bad m'kay" we now get "Android is fragmented, fragmentation is bad so Android is bad m'kay" repeated on a regular basis. Why? Because Steve says so!

Red Arrow · 17-03-2011, 19:22

Regarding developers making more money on Android:
http://mytelecomidea.com/2010/12/ang...-of-this-year/

They are making $1million a month from ads in the free version of Angry Birds.

DotNetWill · 17-03-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

Actually someone did. (see below)

I found your comments to be rather off base. Apple fragmentation? You can update your iOS device whenever you want. Try doing that with an Android device.

Over 97% of Android users still aren’t up to date, fragmentation continues

So just be clear you think that all iOS devices are running the latest versions and are updated by the end user quickly? You currently think that >90% (for example) of iOS devices are currently using 4.3?

As for your link, it's from a site called AppleHeadlines (I wonder if they have an agenda at all?

) and puts quite a lot of spin on it. What it tells me is you can safely ignore devices less than 2.1 and I happen to know the only significant addition to the API for 2.2 (level 8) was push notifications. So if you really need them then you're not going to lose that many customers.

As they say there is lies, damn lies and statistics

Vallhund · 17-03-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

So you dont have one then?

Since I bought it and she lives here. I do.

Interesting to note that large numbers of anti-apple folk like to proclaim problems "holding the iPhone wrong" have never owned nor ever will own an iPhone.

"Easy to notice the splinter in your brother's eye and ignore the log in your own."

DotNetWill · 17-03-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Staunchy

Like Job's "Flash is bad m'kay" we now get "Android is fragmented, fragmentation is bad so Android is bad m'kay" repeated on a regular basis. Why? Because Steve says so!

It's also hilarious considering that iOS is becoming more fragmented.

DotNetWill · 17-03-2011, 19:30

What's even funnier is that fragmentation is generally easy to deal with on an OS basis but the real problem is in screen res, hw capabilities etc which is exactly where iOS devices are developing big differences just like Android.

Some people just really don't know what they're on about.

Red Arrow · 17-03-2011, 19:34

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Originally Posted by DotNetWill

What's even funnier is that fragmentation is generally easy to deal with on an OS basis but the real problem is in screen res, hw capabilities etc which is exactly where iOS devices are developing big differences just like Android.

Some people just really don't know what they're on about.

Yeah, I mean how have developers of programs for Windows managed all these years!

Stiggles · 17-03-2011, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

Since I bought it and she lives here. I do.

But you don't own it nor do you use it on a daily basis do you thus by forum rules you shouldn't be here in this thread.

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Interesting to note that large numbers of anti-apple folk like to proclaim problems "holding the iPhone wrong" have never owned nor ever will own an iPhone.

Anyone can own an iphone of any kind. They aren't some elite that only some people can have.

Till 3 weeks ago or so i had the iphone 4 and i did enjoy using it but its not the best. Far far from it in fact.

Look, until jobs sent that rather snooty, cheeky email to that user, no one had ever said there was a right way or wrong way to hold a mobile. Since that email all the apple sheep proclaim the same as jobs. Since you said the other day that everyone else is wrong and jobby boy is right i have observed everyone who holds their phone in their left hand to be holding it the ways jobby says its wrong. So is everyone else wrong and only he is correct seeing as he made a complete cock of the design of the antenna on the iphone 4?

Putting an antenna in a place where any finger is going to touch is was bloody stupid. In fact, putting an antenna on the outside of the phone anywhere is bloody stupid.

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"Easy to notice the splinter in your brother's eye and ignore the log in your own."

Interesting, i dont think.

brangdon · 17-03-2011, 20:22

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Originally Posted by TheBigM

Ok so it doesn't have the best hardware specs possible but none of those allow other phones to do something it can't. i.e. it can still take decently hi-res pictures, it has a screen, it has an on-screen qwerty keyboard. The SD card slot would allow testing of some features such as installing apps to SD but this is just an expansion of basic memory anyway.

Given that one of the tests was about typing, the present of a physical keyboard may have been significant. Another test was about the camera so having a better one might have made a difference there. I actually rejected the Nexus because I wanted to be able to use the SD slot as an I/O device, to look at pictures taken on my DSLR in the field.

It may have been a representative Android phone, but I don't think it had the best hardware.

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Given the limited time, they were going to pick only one Android phone as it's more of a platform test.

I agree. I don't think it was a bad choice, because it is arguably the Android flagship, even if other Android phones are actually better.

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But most of those things would be the same as on a skinned phone - the google maps navigation, the browser etc. Only the keyboard would be different in terms of the tests they did.

And the camera. Apparently the stock Android camera software is very poor compared to most skinned phones.

whoever,hey · 17-03-2011, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Vallhund

I am not casting any aspersions on Android, but it doesn't appear that Android apps are a goldmine for developers.

First hand experience shows they are both a goldmine actually.

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17-03-2011, 15:22	#126
Margo Channing Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bracknell Posts: 4,894	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU Am amusing review of The Gadget show program. oh god I am crying laughing reading that

17-03-2011, 16:10	#127
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by Margo Channing oh god I am crying laughing reading that I just read that While laughing at the funny writing style I was gob-smacked at how one-sided the review was. Nexus S won most of the tests yet they declared the iPhone 4 the winner, how does that work?

17-03-2011, 16:30	#128
Staunchy Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,780	Quote: Originally Posted by Red Arrow I just read that While laughing at the funny writing style I was gob-smacked at how one-sided the review was. Nexus S won most of the tests yet they declared the iPhone 4 the winner, how does that work? They run these tests as an elimination process, whoever "wins" the final test is crowned king. The obvious flaw is that running the tests in a different order can result in a different winner.

17-03-2011, 17:01	#129
ih8mondays Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,114	Quote: Originally Posted by Staunchy They run these tests as an elimination process, whoever "wins" the final test is crowned king. The obvious flaw is that running the tests in a different order can result in a different winner. Exactly. And not everyone wants every feature in a phone - so it'd be much better for the consumers if they tested all the phones to the end, then awarded the winner based on the most tests passed.

17-03-2011, 17:21	#130
Vallhund Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 5,172	Quote: Originally Posted by DotNetWill Also there is more ways to make money on a platform than just pure sales. Spotify's app is free so by your logic they aren't making any money from mobile platforms, I bet they see it differently. Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS.

17-03-2011, 17:30	#131
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS. Don't think anyone has said they are making more money just now. What is happening now though is devs are moving over to Android because the potential to make more money is there. Google take a lot less than Apple and they can have an ad supported version and a paid version of their app on Android.

17-03-2011, 17:36	#132
Vallhund Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 5,172	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Don't think anyone has said they are making more money just now. What is happening now though is devs are moving over to Android because the potential to make more money is there. Google take a lot less than Apple and they can have an ad supported version and a paid version of their app on Android. One poster was claiming that developers were making more money from Android. There are free and paid for versions of iOS apps too and far more downloads of iOS apps. I am not casting any aspersions on Android, but it doesn't appear that Android apps are a goldmine for developers.

17-03-2011, 17:43	#133
neo_wales Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Wales/Gran Canaria Posts: 8,298	Vallhund re: post #102, I don't like being refered to as a Monkey, you really should apologise for that remark, and watch your tone in future posts, you just came a micron away from the alert button and another holiday.

17-03-2011, 18:08	#134
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS. I didn't claim they were, no one did. Nice how you ignore the rest of the post where I call out your comments, classy

17-03-2011, 18:16	#135
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Let's see some "proof" that developers are making more money from Android than iOS. I don't think thats been said as such; although some app developers are likely to make a larger profit from Android devices due to being able to do in-app purchases however they see fit, and not always having Apple taking a 30% cut. But it is interesting that while iOS makes considerably more money than the opposition, apparently the Ovi store is more profitable (on sales) than the Android Marketplace.

17-03-2011, 18:20	#136
MyMobileDeal Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 39	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult But it is interesting that while iOS makes considerably more money than the opposition, apparently the Ovi store is more profitable (on sales) than the Android Marketplace. Because Android is about users rather than sales - much better to get a free app onto 1m devices than sell 1000 copies of a paid app

17-03-2011, 18:31	#137
Vallhund Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 5,172	Quote: Originally Posted by neo_wales Vallhund re: post #102, I don't like being refered to as a Monkey, you really should apologise for that remark, and watch your tone in future posts, you just came a micron away from the alert button and another holiday. Not guilty!! Have you become an OEM? That is who I was referring to. They make peanuts on their products hence they must be ..... Quote: Originally Posted by DotNetWill I didn't claim they were, no one did. Nice how you ignore the rest of the post where I call out your comments Actually someone did. (see below) I found your comments to be rather off base. Apple fragmentation? You can update your iOS device whenever you want. Try doing that with an Android device. Over 97% of Android users still aren’t up to date, fragmentation continues Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Of course things can rival it seeing as its not the top dog now! App store, well depends. Apple one was better but now Google's marketplace for android has caught up, devs now want to concentrate on it more as it pays better than apple, so i can see this slipping up from apple soon enough. iPhone not the top dog? Proof? Google's marketplace has caught up? Proof? devs want to concentrate on it more? Proof?

17-03-2011, 18:50	#138
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund snipped I'll tell you what to do. Go and read up on the subject properly instead of concentrating on everything apple. You admit you don't even have an iphone so why on earth are you even here? What does it even matter to you? Bet you don't answer this. Quote: I found your comments to be rather off base. Apple fragmentation? You can update your iOS device whenever you want. Try doing that with an Android device. :cry Clueless. Absolutely clueless. You can only update you iOS device once apple decide to release an update which still nearly a year later has bugs in it. With Android you can only install the update when the vendor releases it. Tell me exactly what is different? And sorry, but im not going to read or believe anything that starts off with appleheadlines.com lmao They are taking Android 2.3, 2.3.3 and 3.0 which have only just come out weeks ago. 1 of them 3.0 is only for tablets only just announced!! 2.3. hasnt even been released yet as far as i know. This is almost as bad as your link to do with bank charges not long ago lol

17-03-2011, 19:01	#139
Vallhund Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 5,172	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I'll tell you what to do. Go and read up on the subject properly instead of concentrating on everything apple. You admit you don't even have an iphone so why on earth are you even here? What does it even matter to you? Bet you don't answer this. Wrong as usual, but not in doubt. I think it is you who need to read on the subject properly. Developers express concern over pirated games on Android Market Actually I did buy an iPhone for one of my teenagers and shall get another iPhone (either a 4 or a 5) when the contract runs out later this year. I will probably buy a Blackberry this summer and when the contract runs out on my Nokia E72 next year I might get an iPhone 6, but whatever is good will be in the running. Can I be fairer than that? As for your edited comments. Android updates are dependent on vendors not when Google puts it out. There is a difference, a big difference from iOS. From Peter Vesterbacka at Rovio. Quote: Android is growing, but it’s also growing complexity at the same time. Device fragmentation not the issue, but rather the fragmentation of the ecosystem. So many different shops, so many different models. The carriers messing with the experience again. Open but not really open, a very Google-centric ecosystem.”

17-03-2011, 19:03	#140
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Wrong as usual, but not in doubt. I think it is you who need to read on the subject properly. Developers express concern over pirated games on Android Market That means nothing at all. Quote: Actually I did buy an iPhone for one of my teenagers and shall get another iPhone (either a 4 or a 5) when the contract runs out later this year. I will probably buy a Blackberry this summer and when the contract runs out on my Nokia E72 next year I might get an iPhone 6, but whatever is good will be in the running. Can I be fairer than that? So you dont have one then?

17-03-2011, 19:19	#141
Staunchy Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,780	Like Job's "Flash is bad m'kay" we now get "Android is fragmented, fragmentation is bad so Android is bad m'kay" repeated on a regular basis. Why? Because Steve says so!

17-03-2011, 19:22	#142
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Regarding developers making more money on Android: http://mytelecomidea.com/2010/12/ang...-of-this-year/ They are making $1million a month from ads in the free version of Angry Birds.

17-03-2011, 19:25	#143
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Actually someone did. (see below) I found your comments to be rather off base. Apple fragmentation? You can update your iOS device whenever you want. Try doing that with an Android device. Over 97% of Android users still aren’t up to date, fragmentation continues So just be clear you think that all iOS devices are running the latest versions and are updated by the end user quickly? You currently think that >90% (for example) of iOS devices are currently using 4.3? As for your link, it's from a site called AppleHeadlines (I wonder if they have an agenda at all? ) and puts quite a lot of spin on it. What it tells me is you can safely ignore devices less than 2.1 and I happen to know the only significant addition to the API for 2.2 (level 8) was push notifications. So if you really need them then you're not going to lose that many customers. As they say there is lies, damn lies and statistics

17-03-2011, 19:25	#144
Vallhund Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 5,172	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles So you dont have one then? Since I bought it and she lives here. I do. Interesting to note that large numbers of anti-apple folk like to proclaim problems "holding the iPhone wrong" have never owned nor ever will own an iPhone. "Easy to notice the splinter in your brother's eye and ignore the log in your own."

17-03-2011, 19:25	#145
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by Staunchy Like Job's "Flash is bad m'kay" we now get "Android is fragmented, fragmentation is bad so Android is bad m'kay" repeated on a regular basis. Why? Because Steve says so! It's also hilarious considering that iOS is becoming more fragmented.

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17-03-2011, 19:30	#146
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	What's even funnier is that fragmentation is generally easy to deal with on an OS basis but the real problem is in screen res, hw capabilities etc which is exactly where iOS devices are developing big differences just like Android. Some people just really don't know what they're on about.

17-03-2011, 19:34	#147
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by DotNetWill What's even funnier is that fragmentation is generally easy to deal with on an OS basis but the real problem is in screen res, hw capabilities etc which is exactly where iOS devices are developing big differences just like Android. Some people just really don't know what they're on about. Yeah, I mean how have developers of programs for Windows managed all these years!

17-03-2011, 19:43	#148
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Since I bought it and she lives here. I do. But you don't own it nor do you use it on a daily basis do you thus by forum rules you shouldn't be here in this thread. Quote: Interesting to note that large numbers of anti-apple folk like to proclaim problems "holding the iPhone wrong" have never owned nor ever will own an iPhone. Anyone can own an iphone of any kind. They aren't some elite that only some people can have. Till 3 weeks ago or so i had the iphone 4 and i did enjoy using it but its not the best. Far far from it in fact. Look, until jobs sent that rather snooty, cheeky email to that user, no one had ever said there was a right way or wrong way to hold a mobile. Since that email all the apple sheep proclaim the same as jobs. Since you said the other day that everyone else is wrong and jobby boy is right i have observed everyone who holds their phone in their left hand to be holding it the ways jobby says its wrong. So is everyone else wrong and only he is correct seeing as he made a complete cock of the design of the antenna on the iphone 4? Putting an antenna in a place where any finger is going to touch is was bloody stupid. In fact, putting an antenna on the outside of the phone anywhere is bloody stupid. Quote: "Easy to notice the splinter in your brother's eye and ignore the log in your own." Interesting, i dont think.

17-03-2011, 20:22	#149
brangdon Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 11,885	Quote: Originally Posted by TheBigM Ok so it doesn't have the best hardware specs possible but none of those allow other phones to do something it can't. i.e. it can still take decently hi-res pictures, it has a screen, it has an on-screen qwerty keyboard. The SD card slot would allow testing of some features such as installing apps to SD but this is just an expansion of basic memory anyway. Given that one of the tests was about typing, the present of a physical keyboard may have been significant. Another test was about the camera so having a better one might have made a difference there. I actually rejected the Nexus because I wanted to be able to use the SD slot as an I/O device, to look at pictures taken on my DSLR in the field. It may have been a representative Android phone, but I don't think it had the best hardware. Quote: Given the limited time, they were going to pick only one Android phone as it's more of a platform test. I agree. I don't think it was a bad choice, because it is arguably the Android flagship, even if other Android phones are actually better. Quote: But most of those things would be the same as on a skinned phone - the google maps navigation, the browser etc. Only the keyboard would be different in terms of the tests they did. And the camera. Apparently the stock Android camera software is very poor compared to most skinned phones.

17-03-2011, 22:00	#150
whoever,hey Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 30,072	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund I am not casting any aspersions on Android, but it doesn't appear that Android apps are a goldmine for developers. First hand experience shows they are both a goldmine actually.