Which handset is the King of Smartphones? Gadget Show, 14 March 2011

CyanidePill · 17-03-2011, 22:25

The iPhone 4 is the best, closely followed by the Nexus S.

clonmult · 18-03-2011, 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyanidePill

The iPhone 4 is the best, closely followed by the Nexus S.

By what criteria?

I value connectivity and a decent camera. Neither of which the iPhone does particularly well.

ACU · 18-03-2011, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vallhund

Developers express concern over pirated games on Android Market

I suppose Apple developers arent bothered about people who jailbreak their phone and then download pirated software?

Bagsbunny · 18-03-2011, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigM

HTC HD7 does not run on Windows Mobile. Have you even been anywhere near a WP7 device or tried one?

Whoops, my error-I meant WP7, not "Windows Mobile."

Yes, I have been near one, thought it was bobbins, though superficially slick and attractive, I found it a rather opaque U.I.

Perhaps I should have another fiddle, to see if it improves with practice (I do wrk in a phone shop).

clonmult · 18-03-2011, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagsbunny

Whoops, my error-I meant WP7, not "Windows Mobile."

Yes, I have been near one, thought it was bobbins, though superficially slick and attractive, I found it a rather opaque U.I.

Perhaps I should have another fiddle, to see if it improves with practice (I do wrk in a phone shop).

Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise.

WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months.

Red Arrow · 18-03-2011, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise.

WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months.

Did they not code WP7 all over again instead of just updating the last version of WM?

Red Arrow · 18-03-2011, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise.

WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months.

Did they not code WP7 from scratch instead of just updating the last version of WM? I was under the impression they did.

DotNetWill · 18-03-2011, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise.

WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months.

umm no it's not.

clonmult · 18-03-2011, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by DotNetWill

umm no it's not.

Ummm, it is.

The UI is new (albeit based on their established Metro design), the underlying OS is CE 6.

clonmult · 18-03-2011, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Arrow

Did they not code WP7 from scratch instead of just updating the last version of WM? I was under the impression they did.

Maybe CE6 is a total re-write, but does it really matter?

The OS itself was always solid and feature packed, the main issue with WM was the UX which was at best dire.

Red Arrow · 18-03-2011, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

Maybe CE6 is a total re-write, but does it really matter?

No, I was just asking.

DotNetWill · 18-03-2011, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

Ummm, it is.

The UI is new (albeit based on their established Metro design), the underlying OS is CE 6.

Maybe kernel wise it is, but everything from there up will be new. The SL style runtime with no socket support v .NET CE should be enough to give that away.

With WM6.5 it's not hard to see that's it's still WM, this is a very different beast.

Dark 1 · 18-03-2011, 23:26

So The Gadget Show is Apple biased is it? Apple products always win any test do they?

This discussion looks at whether this is so:

groups.google.com/group/uk.media.tv.misc/browse_thread/thread/f6fd78b4cfe3ffdb/0532391247b19454

In particular, look at the contributions of Felicity S.

Could it be seeing bias in others, is more of an indicator of your own biases than theirs?

flagpole · 19-03-2011, 10:54

my personal favourite test was a few years ago.

they were testing handheld gaming devices. PSP, Nintendo DS etc.

the iPhone won that too.

max99 · 19-03-2011, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

my personal favourite test was a few years ago.

they were testing handheld gaming devices. PSP, Nintendo DS etc.

the iPhone won that too.

Nah, the MP4 test where the iPod came worst for video and sound quality. And still won.

IvanIV · 19-03-2011, 13:30

Time to rename the programme to "BJ for SJ"

TheBigM · 19-03-2011, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagsbunny

Whoops, my error-I meant WP7, not "Windows Mobile."

Yes, I have been near one, thought it was bobbins, though superficially slick and attractive, I found it a rather opaque U.I.

Perhaps I should have another fiddle, to see if it improves with practice (I do wrk in a phone shop).

I do recommend perhaps having another go (on an HTC device, the samsung seems more buggy).

Part of it will be personal preferences. I played with my friend's iphone4 to consider getting that. I didn't like it, even on relatively basic tasks in the browser etc a lot of the time it didn't seem clear to me what to press. I like android's dedicated menu/settings button; you always know it's something you can press.

WP7 has a few techniques that don't seem obvious but on the whole I found it easier to use than iPhone. Perhaps a good test would be try out a few of these smartphones on someone who has never used one before like a granny.

the porter · 20-03-2011, 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

By what criteria?

I value connectivity and a decent camera. Neither of which the iPhone does particularly well.

You don't own an ip4 I take it as it is head and tail above the rest where the camera is concerned, and its connectivity isn't far out either ,when you own the product please give your opinion in it

the nexus s is nowhere near as good cheap plastic rubbish the htc hd is not bad but the camera and battery life are bobbins.

Stiggles · 20-03-2011, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by the porter

You don't own an ip4 I take it as it is head and tail above the rest where the camera is concerned, and its connectivity isn't far out either ,when you own the product please give your opinion in it

the nexus s is nowhere near as good cheap plastic rubbish the htc hd is not bad but the camera and battery life are bobbins.

I came from the iphone 4 to the desire hd and that's not strictly true.

Camera, well both take about the same shots. I prefer the colour in the desire hd pics over the iphone 4. Having said that, the video camera in the iphone 4 is slightly better in that it adjusts to different light conditions faster, however that's software related and should be sorted soon.

The battery on the desire hd is actually no worse than the iphone 4. In fact, i haven't noticed any difference at all.

jswift909 · 20-03-2011, 01:20

Since I got an HTC Desire, about a year ago, having had an iPhone 3G for 18 months, there is no contest. I would never go back to any iPhone. The features on Android are miles ahead of Apple's very proprietor system. Android phones are now outselling the iPhone in many places. iPhones has tethering problems on all networks - you have to pay extra - but Android phones can do this for no extra charge. I run everything on there, twitter, facebook, wordpress, blogger, email, tumblr, gmail, Google Maps. I have a couple of friends set up on Google Location and I know exactly where they are to 30 meters, and they know where I am. Normal phone headsets, normal micro USB connector (which should be the EU/world standard) yet iPhone have gone for a silly proprietor connector.

Now that I've been using this phone, I'd never touch another unless it was Android. Well... ok, I haven't seen enough of the Windows phones, so when I've seen more I might change my mind, but I'd never go back to an iPhone in preference to an Android one.

btw. I've had HTC phones for donkeys years. I started with some Orange SPV C500.

BOOTHY2905 · 20-03-2011, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by jswift909

Since I got an HTC Desire, about a year ago, having had an iPhone 3G for 18 months, there is no contest. I would never go back to any iPhone. The features on Android are miles ahead of Apple's very proprietor system. Android phones are now outselling the iPhone in many places. iPhones has tethering problems on all networks - you have to pay extra - but Android phones can do this for no extra charge. I run everything on there, twitter, facebook, wordpress, blogger, email, tumblr, gmail, Google Maps. I have a couple of friends set up on Google Location and I know exactly where they are to 30 meters, and they know where I am. Normal phone headsets, normal micro USB connector (which should be the EU/world standard) yet iPhone have gone for a silly proprietor connector.

Now that I've been using this phone, I'd never touch another unless it was Android. Well... ok, I haven't seen enough of the Windows phones, so when I've seen more I might change my mind, but I'd never go back to an iPhone in preference to an Android one.

btw. I've had HTC phones for donkeys years. I started with some Orange SPV C500.

Totally agree. The Android side swayed it for me. So much choice in customising it virtually turns your UI into a different phone entirely. Apple is the same all the time and the first iphone UI is exactly the same as the new iphone 4!! This frankly annoys me and I love to customise my DHD.

neo_wales · 20-03-2011, 16:14

Anyone else noticed how polite things here are now the 'holiday' season has started for one member again?

BOOTHY2905 · 20-03-2011, 16:43

?????

Red Arrow · 20-03-2011, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905

Totally agree. The Android side swayed it for me. So much choice in customising it virtually turns your UI into a different phone entirely. Apple is the same all the time and the first iphone UI is exactly the same as the new iphone 4!! This frankly annoys me and I love to customise my DHD.

I think a lot of people like the iPhone because the very fact that the UI hasn't changed much. They know what they are getting when they upgrade so this appeals to a lot of people I reckon.

But I'm like you, I like to customise my phone to suit my own needs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo_wales

Anyone else noticed how polite things here are now the 'holiday' season has started for one member again?

BOOTHY2905 · 20-03-2011, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Arrow

I think a lot of people like the iPhone because the very fact that the UI hasn't changed much. They know what they are getting when they upgrade so this appeals to a lot of people I reckon.

But I'm like you, I like to customise my phone to suit my own needs.

Yeah I suppose so. Apple are boring though nothings changed since they came out. a baby could use it with no problems as it just looks like an early learning toy would be laid out!!

17-03-2011, 22:25	#151
CyanidePill Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 338	The iPhone 4 is the best, closely followed by the Nexus S.

18-03-2011, 09:51	#152
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by CyanidePill The iPhone 4 is the best, closely followed by the Nexus S. By what criteria? I value connectivity and a decent camera. Neither of which the iPhone does particularly well.

18-03-2011, 10:03	#153
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by Vallhund Developers express concern over pirated games on Android Market I suppose Apple developers arent bothered about people who jailbreak their phone and then download pirated software?

18-03-2011, 15:55	#154
Bagsbunny Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Charlton, SE7 Posts: 359	Quote: Originally Posted by TheBigM HTC HD7 does not run on Windows Mobile. Have you even been anywhere near a WP7 device or tried one? Whoops, my error-I meant WP7, not "Windows Mobile." Yes, I have been near one, thought it was bobbins, though superficially slick and attractive, I found it a rather opaque U.I. Perhaps I should have another fiddle, to see if it improves with practice (I do wrk in a phone shop).

18-03-2011, 16:18	#155
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by Bagsbunny Whoops, my error-I meant WP7, not "Windows Mobile." Yes, I have been near one, thought it was bobbins, though superficially slick and attractive, I found it a rather opaque U.I. Perhaps I should have another fiddle, to see if it improves with practice (I do wrk in a phone shop). Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise. WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months.

18-03-2011, 20:53	#156
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise. WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months. Did they not code WP7 all over again instead of just updating the last version of WM?

18-03-2011, 20:54	#157
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise. WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months. Did they not code WP7 from scratch instead of just updating the last version of WM? I was under the impression they did.

18-03-2011, 21:01	#158
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Still a revision of Windows CE, with what is effectively a different skin. And the change in naming was purely a branding exercise. WM was last running on CE5.2, WP7 is running on CE6, which has been around for about 18 months. umm no it's not.

18-03-2011, 21:29	#159
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by DotNetWill umm no it's not. Ummm, it is. The UI is new (albeit based on their established Metro design), the underlying OS is CE 6.

18-03-2011, 21:29	#160
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by Red Arrow Did they not code WP7 from scratch instead of just updating the last version of WM? I was under the impression they did. Maybe CE6 is a total re-write, but does it really matter? The OS itself was always solid and feature packed, the main issue with WM was the UX which was at best dire.

18-03-2011, 21:51	#161
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Maybe CE6 is a total re-write, but does it really matter? No, I was just asking.

18-03-2011, 22:32	#162
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Ummm, it is. The UI is new (albeit based on their established Metro design), the underlying OS is CE 6. Maybe kernel wise it is, but everything from there up will be new. The SL style runtime with no socket support v .NET CE should be enough to give that away. With WM6.5 it's not hard to see that's it's still WM, this is a very different beast.

18-03-2011, 23:26	#163
Dark 1 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,975	So The Gadget Show is Apple biased is it? Apple products always win any test do they? This discussion looks at whether this is so: groups.google.com/group/uk.media.tv.misc/browse_thread/thread/f6fd78b4cfe3ffdb/0532391247b19454 In particular, look at the contributions of Felicity S. Could it be seeing bias in others, is more of an indicator of your own biases than theirs?

19-03-2011, 10:54	#164
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	my personal favourite test was a few years ago. they were testing handheld gaming devices. PSP, Nintendo DS etc. the iPhone won that too.

19-03-2011, 13:26	#165
max99 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8,843	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole my personal favourite test was a few years ago. they were testing handheld gaming devices. PSP, Nintendo DS etc. the iPhone won that too. Nah, the MP4 test where the iPod came worst for video and sound quality. And still won.

19-03-2011, 13:30	#166
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Time to rename the programme to "BJ for SJ"

19-03-2011, 20:03	#167
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	Quote: Originally Posted by Bagsbunny Whoops, my error-I meant WP7, not "Windows Mobile." Yes, I have been near one, thought it was bobbins, though superficially slick and attractive, I found it a rather opaque U.I. Perhaps I should have another fiddle, to see if it improves with practice (I do wrk in a phone shop). I do recommend perhaps having another go (on an HTC device, the samsung seems more buggy). Part of it will be personal preferences. I played with my friend's iphone4 to consider getting that. I didn't like it, even on relatively basic tasks in the browser etc a lot of the time it didn't seem clear to me what to press. I like android's dedicated menu/settings button; you always know it's something you can press. WP7 has a few techniques that don't seem obvious but on the whole I found it easier to use than iPhone. Perhaps a good test would be try out a few of these smartphones on someone who has never used one before like a granny.

20-03-2011, 00:50	#168
the porter Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wigan lancs Posts: 266	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult By what criteria? I value connectivity and a decent camera. Neither of which the iPhone does particularly well. You don't own an ip4 I take it as it is head and tail above the rest where the camera is concerned, and its connectivity isn't far out either ,when you own the product please give your opinion in it the nexus s is nowhere near as good cheap plastic rubbish the htc hd is not bad but the camera and battery life are bobbins.

20-03-2011, 01:12	#169
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by the porter You don't own an ip4 I take it as it is head and tail above the rest where the camera is concerned, and its connectivity isn't far out either ,when you own the product please give your opinion in it the nexus s is nowhere near as good cheap plastic rubbish the htc hd is not bad but the camera and battery life are bobbins. I came from the iphone 4 to the desire hd and that's not strictly true. Camera, well both take about the same shots. I prefer the colour in the desire hd pics over the iphone 4. Having said that, the video camera in the iphone 4 is slightly better in that it adjusts to different light conditions faster, however that's software related and should be sorted soon. The battery on the desire hd is actually no worse than the iphone 4. In fact, i haven't noticed any difference at all.

20-03-2011, 01:20	#170
jswift909 Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,028	Since I got an HTC Desire, about a year ago, having had an iPhone 3G for 18 months, there is no contest. I would never go back to any iPhone. The features on Android are miles ahead of Apple's very proprietor system. Android phones are now outselling the iPhone in many places. iPhones has tethering problems on all networks - you have to pay extra - but Android phones can do this for no extra charge. I run everything on there, twitter, facebook, wordpress, blogger, email, tumblr, gmail, Google Maps. I have a couple of friends set up on Google Location and I know exactly where they are to 30 meters, and they know where I am. Normal phone headsets, normal micro USB connector (which should be the EU/world standard) yet iPhone have gone for a silly proprietor connector. Now that I've been using this phone, I'd never touch another unless it was Android. Well... ok, I haven't seen enough of the Windows phones, so when I've seen more I might change my mind, but I'd never go back to an iPhone in preference to an Android one. btw. I've had HTC phones for donkeys years. I started with some Orange SPV C500.

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Which handset is the King of Smartphones? Gadget Show, 14 March 2011

20-03-2011, 15:16	#171
BOOTHY2905 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,512	Quote: Originally Posted by jswift909 Since I got an HTC Desire, about a year ago, having had an iPhone 3G for 18 months, there is no contest. I would never go back to any iPhone. The features on Android are miles ahead of Apple's very proprietor system. Android phones are now outselling the iPhone in many places. iPhones has tethering problems on all networks - you have to pay extra - but Android phones can do this for no extra charge. I run everything on there, twitter, facebook, wordpress, blogger, email, tumblr, gmail, Google Maps. I have a couple of friends set up on Google Location and I know exactly where they are to 30 meters, and they know where I am. Normal phone headsets, normal micro USB connector (which should be the EU/world standard) yet iPhone have gone for a silly proprietor connector. Now that I've been using this phone, I'd never touch another unless it was Android. Well... ok, I haven't seen enough of the Windows phones, so when I've seen more I might change my mind, but I'd never go back to an iPhone in preference to an Android one. btw. I've had HTC phones for donkeys years. I started with some Orange SPV C500. Totally agree. The Android side swayed it for me. So much choice in customising it virtually turns your UI into a different phone entirely. Apple is the same all the time and the first iphone UI is exactly the same as the new iphone 4!! This frankly annoys me and I love to customise my DHD.

20-03-2011, 16:14	#172
neo_wales Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Wales/Gran Canaria Posts: 8,298	Anyone else noticed how polite things here are now the 'holiday' season has started for one member again?

20-03-2011, 16:43	#173
BOOTHY2905 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,512	?????

20-03-2011, 16:47	#174
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905 Totally agree. The Android side swayed it for me. So much choice in customising it virtually turns your UI into a different phone entirely. Apple is the same all the time and the first iphone UI is exactly the same as the new iphone 4!! This frankly annoys me and I love to customise my DHD. I think a lot of people like the iPhone because the very fact that the UI hasn't changed much. They know what they are getting when they upgrade so this appeals to a lot of people I reckon. But I'm like you, I like to customise my phone to suit my own needs. Quote: Originally Posted by neo_wales Anyone else noticed how polite things here are now the 'holiday' season has started for one member again?

20-03-2011, 17:04	#175
BOOTHY2905 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,512	Quote: Originally Posted by Red Arrow I think a lot of people like the iPhone because the very fact that the UI hasn't changed much. They know what they are getting when they upgrade so this appeals to a lot of people I reckon. But I'm like you, I like to customise my phone to suit my own needs. Yeah I suppose so. Apple are boring though nothings changed since they came out. a baby could use it with no problems as it just looks like an early learning toy would be laid out!!