For parallels, Laura is more like Suzanne, a very good skater and performer. Sam is a bit like Chris, maybe a better skater than performer. Chloe is incomparable: it's hard to find someone like her as a female, a better skater than performer.
Is Chloe the Suzanne Shaw of this series?
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I'd say Chloe was more like Jess. A good skater but with slowly developing presentation skills; however Chloe is capable of a wider range of lifts because she's not as tall as Jess is.
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“I'd say Chloe was more like Jess. A good skater but with slowly developing presentation skills; however Chloe is capable of a wider range of lifts because she's not as tall as Jess is.”
“I'd say Chloe was more like Jess. A good skater but with slowly developing presentation skills; however Chloe is capable of a wider range of lifts because she's not as tall as Jess is.”
Yeah I'd agree with that. A very good comparison. If anyone is like Suzanne then I'd say Laura - the strong performance skills and the skating skill to back them up with.
I'd say Sam is like Chris - favourite from the start, but may fall at the final hurdle, against Laura.
I dont really get the OPs argument that Suzanne wasnt a front runner? The series was only ever a question of who would win between her and Chris. Whilst she upped her game in the final, she didnt suddenly appear and snatch it from nowhere. She was one of the favourites with the bookies from the very beginning and many of them at the time were saying the smart money was on her as she was consistently picking up votes the whole way through and many reckoned she was piping chris in the voting towards the end. The competition was always between the two, there was only something like a point between them week 1 and she beat him weeks 2 and 7 (and should have week 6). Suzanne didnt exactly come out of nowhere to win it, she was never in a skate off and was chris' only competition really, it was a battle the whole way through.
This series is very different, Chloes been in a skateoff and she hasnt been all that consistent in terms of leaderboard position. I do like her though.
This series is very different, Chloes been in a skateoff and she hasnt been all that consistent in terms of leaderboard position. I do like her though.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Well she's had three 4th places and last week was 3rd out of four so it's not surprising that she's not been considered a front runner although she did of course claim a controversial 1st place in props week.
If all 3 finalists perform to their highest level then I don't think she can win; however if she recaptures the public vote who knows? There have been unexpected winners in the past - it could happen again.”
“Well she's had three 4th places and last week was 3rd out of four so it's not surprising that she's not been considered a front runner although she did of course claim a controversial 1st place in props week.
If all 3 finalists perform to their highest level then I don't think she can win; however if she recaptures the public vote who knows? There have been unexpected winners in the past - it could happen again.”
What an odd comment.
Chloe was brilliant in props week - a fully deserved and wholly uncontroversial first place. Zaraah had some difficult tricks to pull off but was nowhere near any of the top female contestants in DOI history, as much as I (and many others) would have liked her to be.
I admit to being a Chloe supporter, but Laura absolutely blew me away last week. I'm not sure who to vote for.
Your obvious and rather dull bias is quite boring. Give it a rest yourself.
Originally Posted by DanielSpares2:
“Chloe has already confirmed that she is doing her Kiss Kiss routine in the DS final three video and I think Laura is doing the 'I'm so excited' routine....I'd guess Sam would do Riverdance? That's in addition to their showcase......before the final two.”
“Chloe has already confirmed that she is doing her Kiss Kiss routine in the DS final three video and I think Laura is doing the 'I'm so excited' routine....I'd guess Sam would do Riverdance? That's in addition to their showcase......before the final two.”
Thats a Chloe 24.5 versus a Laura 28.5 and a Sam 27 and a week 7 dance from Laura v two week 6 dances. Looks good for Laura as even if the others change routines to add marks and content they will have to work harder to do it. Sam and Laura have their best marked dance before the SF and Chloe only has her third best. Whats more Kiss Kiss may be too sexy for the geriatric audience too?
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“What an odd comment.
Chloe was brilliant in props week - a fully deserved and wholly uncontroversial first place. Zaraah had some difficult tricks to pull off but was nowhere near any of the top female contestants in DOI history, as much as I (and many others) would have liked her to be.
I admit to being a Chloe supporter, but Laura absolutely blew me away last week. I'm not sure who to vote for.
Your obvious and rather dull bias is quite boring. Give it a rest yourself.”
“What an odd comment.
Chloe was brilliant in props week - a fully deserved and wholly uncontroversial first place. Zaraah had some difficult tricks to pull off but was nowhere near any of the top female contestants in DOI history, as much as I (and many others) would have liked her to be.
I admit to being a Chloe supporter, but Laura absolutely blew me away last week. I'm not sure who to vote for.
Your obvious and rather dull bias is quite boring. Give it a rest yourself.”
Precisely trev what's the use of being biased my friend? was a
tad biased towards Matt Baker in SCD and look where that
got me.
Btw trev I've just PM'd you mate.
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“I'd say Chloe was more like Jess. A good skater but with slowly developing presentation skills; however Chloe is capable of a wider range of lifts because she's not as tall as Jess is.”
“I'd say Chloe was more like Jess. A good skater but with slowly developing presentation skills; however Chloe is capable of a wider range of lifts because she's not as tall as Jess is.”
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“For heavens sake - give it a rest. Seems I can no longer post an opinion on Chloe without one or other of her fans picking my comments apart and perceiving criticism.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine - and imo her 1st place was controversial because: [LIST][*]we'd seen most of those moves before, accomplished by Zaraah Abrahams in series 3 - plus a trickier one when she had to catch the hoop and she used two props in unison.[*]she did little with the rope - the only move that impressed was when she twisted it around her waist and back.[*]her transitions are rarely smooth and it was par for the course that week.[/LIST]
No problem with the judges marking as they saw fit - but I'm allowed to disagree and I fail to see why anyone considered her props trickier than some others. To hark back to Zaraah she coped with the hula hoop and a couple of batons years ago.
Can't for the life of me imagine why a hoop and a rope should be considered trickier than a table and a couple of chairs, a mike, stool and hat, or chair and cane (used in unison.)
You don't have to agree but allow me the right of expression without this constant carping and demanding an explanation of my every opinion.
It's becoming personal.”
“For heavens sake - give it a rest. Seems I can no longer post an opinion on Chloe without one or other of her fans picking my comments apart and perceiving criticism.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine - and imo her 1st place was controversial because: [LIST][*]we'd seen most of those moves before, accomplished by Zaraah Abrahams in series 3 - plus a trickier one when she had to catch the hoop and she used two props in unison.[*]she did little with the rope - the only move that impressed was when she twisted it around her waist and back.[*]her transitions are rarely smooth and it was par for the course that week.[/LIST]
No problem with the judges marking as they saw fit - but I'm allowed to disagree and I fail to see why anyone considered her props trickier than some others. To hark back to Zaraah she coped with the hula hoop and a couple of batons years ago.
Can't for the life of me imagine why a hoop and a rope should be considered trickier than a table and a couple of chairs, a mike, stool and hat, or chair and cane (used in unison.)
You don't have to agree but allow me the right of expression without this constant carping and demanding an explanation of my every opinion.
It's becoming personal.
”
You are one of the rudest and most argumentative posters on here, so give it a rest yourself.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“You are one of the rudest and most argumentative posters on here, so give it a rest yourself.”
“You are one of the rudest and most argumentative posters on here, so give it a rest yourself.”
Oh the irony of this post
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Definitely a better skater than Bonnie - but performer - no.
Bonnie fell into a similar trap to Suzanne due to poor choreography byT&D - too many lifts not enough skating. Fortunately in Suzanne's case Nicky Slater controversially marked her down before we saw that her skating was actually very good indeed.
Unfortunately no judge drew similar attention to Bonnie's routines. She topped the leaderboard 5 times in eight weeks (including the final) and came 2nd on three occasions - but this was by virtue of some jaw dropping lifts. She was of course as light as a feather and had spent a lifetime dancing so her performance skills were phenomenal. Add to that her brilliant partnership with Matt Evers and his amazingly ability to showcase his partners and she sparkled without ever actually learning to skate.
She rectified this after series 1 finished by continuing lessons and showed that she had the ability to become a very respectable skater.”
“Definitely a better skater than Bonnie - but performer - no.
Bonnie fell into a similar trap to Suzanne due to poor choreography byT&D - too many lifts not enough skating. Fortunately in Suzanne's case Nicky Slater controversially marked her down before we saw that her skating was actually very good indeed.
Unfortunately no judge drew similar attention to Bonnie's routines. She topped the leaderboard 5 times in eight weeks (including the final) and came 2nd on three occasions - but this was by virtue of some jaw dropping lifts. She was of course as light as a feather and had spent a lifetime dancing so her performance skills were phenomenal. Add to that her brilliant partnership with Matt Evers and his amazingly ability to showcase his partners and she sparkled without ever actually learning to skate.
She rectified this after series 1 finished by continuing lessons and showed that she had the ability to become a very respectable skater.”
IIRC Bonnie was constantly criticised by the judges for her lack of skating yet continued to be marked highly which seemed bizarre at the time. (and remember back in those days there was only 1 performance judge)
Such a shame Nicky is no longer on the panel. I know he used to get criticised on here for his sometimes 'random' marking but I always liked the fact he would sometimes go against the grain as with this example & also on tour last year marking Hayley down saying Jai Ho didn't fit the bigger ice. People often defend Jason by saying you don't want bland judges & I don't think you could accuse Nicky of that. Unlike Jason though Nicky never ever got personal.
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“IIRC Bonnie was constantly criticised by the judges for her lack of skating yet continued to be marked highly which seemed bizarre at the time. (and remember back in those days there was only 1 performance judge)
Such a shame Nicky is no longer on the panel. I know he used to get criticised on here for his sometimes 'random' marking but I always liked the fact he would sometimes go against the grain as with this example & also on tour last year marking Hayley down saying Jai Ho didn't fit the bigger ice. People often defend Jason by saying you don't want bland judges & I don't think you could accuse Nicky of that. Unlike Jason though Nicky never ever got personal.”
“IIRC Bonnie was constantly criticised by the judges for her lack of skating yet continued to be marked highly which seemed bizarre at the time. (and remember back in those days there was only 1 performance judge)
Such a shame Nicky is no longer on the panel. I know he used to get criticised on here for his sometimes 'random' marking but I always liked the fact he would sometimes go against the grain as with this example & also on tour last year marking Hayley down saying Jai Ho didn't fit the bigger ice. People often defend Jason by saying you don't want bland judges & I don't think you could accuse Nicky of that. Unlike Jason though Nicky never ever got personal.”
Yeah I miss Nicky too. Aside from Jason, he was my favourite judge. I loved that he wasn't scared of offending the other judges (Karen) with his marking. To be fair, his marks were always justified, he only seemed to get criticised last year because he didn't always give Hayley the highest marks possible - especially on tour, and because she was the golden girl last year people didn't agree with him. Remember, it was him that actually enforced Suzanne's skating in Series 3 as he marked her down due to the lack of skating and her routines being full of tricks. Also it was great television watching him argue with Jason and Karen over that.
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“What an odd comment.
Chloe was brilliant in props week - a fully deserved and wholly uncontroversial first place. Zaraah had some difficult tricks to pull off but was nowhere near any of the top female contestants in DOI history, as much as I (and many others) would have liked her to be.
I admit to being a Chloe supporter, but Laura absolutely blew me away last week. I'm not sure who to vote for.
Your obvious and rather dull bias is quite boring. Give it a rest yourself.”
“What an odd comment.
Chloe was brilliant in props week - a fully deserved and wholly uncontroversial first place. Zaraah had some difficult tricks to pull off but was nowhere near any of the top female contestants in DOI history, as much as I (and many others) would have liked her to be.
I admit to being a Chloe supporter, but Laura absolutely blew me away last week. I'm not sure who to vote for.
Your obvious and rather dull bias is quite boring. Give it a rest yourself.”
The only reason you find my comment odd is because you disagree with it. I claimed to speak for no one but myself and there was nothing in this post to warrant the personal attacks it has attracted.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...08&postcount=3
Did I suggest that as an overall performer Zaraah measured up to the top females we've seen on DOI? Try not to put words into my mouth. I spoke, not of her skating skills, but of the elegance and finesse she brought to her routines. If we judged only on grace and beauty of movement Zaraah would bear comparison to anyone from any series, but she lacked the skating ability to be a serious contender. That doesn't alter the fact that imo the skill with which she worked the hoop produced a superior performance to Chloe's. You are entitled to disagree - I am entitled to hold my opinion.
Those who have taken exception to my comments are very subjective when it comes to picking the part of my post to which they respond.
I'm not a Chloe fan - never pretended to be - but nor do I hate her. I certainly won't be wearing sackcloth and ashes if she wins; as I said in this extract from post 10 whoever the GBP vote for at the weekend will deserve to win.
Quote:
“Chloe was never a favourite of mine and I've never pretended otherwise, but I've posted enough positive comments about her to make clear that imo her place in the final is justified and that whatever the level at which she performs if the GBP vote for her in sufficient numbers to crown her champion, her success will be deserved;”
“Chloe was never a favourite of mine and I've never pretended otherwise, but I've posted enough positive comments about her to make clear that imo her place in the final is justified and that whatever the level at which she performs if the GBP vote for her in sufficient numbers to crown her champion, her success will be deserved;”
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“You are one of the rudest and most argumentative posters on here, so give it a rest yourself.”
“You are one of the rudest and most argumentative posters on here, so give it a rest yourself.”
A provocative comment - which has failed to gain the expected response.
I'd say Laura is more the Suzanne Shaw except she is clearly better at skating and performing. Suzanne was completely overrated.
Originally Posted by Rach1989:
“Yeah I miss Nicky too. Aside from Jason, he was my favourite judge. I loved that he wasn't scared of offending the other judges (Karen) with his marking. To be fair, his marks were always justified, he only seemed to get criticised last year because he didn't always give Hayley the highest marks possible - especially on tour, and because she was the golden girl last year people didn't agree with him. Remember, it was him that actually enforced Suzanne's skating in Series 3 as he marked her down due to the lack of skating and her routines being full of tricks. Also it was great television watching him argue with Jason and Karen over that.”
“Yeah I miss Nicky too. Aside from Jason, he was my favourite judge. I loved that he wasn't scared of offending the other judges (Karen) with his marking. To be fair, his marks were always justified, he only seemed to get criticised last year because he didn't always give Hayley the highest marks possible - especially on tour, and because she was the golden girl last year people didn't agree with him. Remember, it was him that actually enforced Suzanne's skating in Series 3 as he marked her down due to the lack of skating and her routines being full of tricks. Also it was great television watching him argue with Jason and Karen over that.”
Thereby was the problem. The reason Suzanne had a lift too many and that Jai Ho is a short, very contained, and intense routine is that thats the way they were choregraphed. The basic rule of marking, when the person performing didn't set their own question, is that you have to mark what produced as an answer to the question set - however wrongheaded the examiner setting the question was. Nicky confused marking and criticising T and D's choregraphy, and often ended up suggesting that people do something that didnt fit the rest of the routine or what they had been told to do. If he wanted to have a snipe at the choregraphy thats what he needed to do - not deduct marks for following it.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
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What's that post for?
Jess was one of my favourite contestants that year; I didn't mean it in a negative way.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Thereby was the problem. The reason Suzanne had a lift too many and that Jai Ho is a short, very contained, and intense routine is that thats the way they were choregraphed. The basic rule of marking, when the person performing didn't set their own question, is that you have to mark what produced as an answer to the question set - however wrongheaded the examiner setting the question was. Nicky confused marking and criticising T and D's choregraphy, and often ended up suggesting that people do something that didnt fit the rest of the routine or what they had been told to do. If he wanted to have a snipe at the choregraphy thats what he needed to do - not deduct marks for following it.”
“Thereby was the problem. The reason Suzanne had a lift too many and that Jai Ho is a short, very contained, and intense routine is that thats the way they were choregraphed. The basic rule of marking, when the person performing didn't set their own question, is that you have to mark what produced as an answer to the question set - however wrongheaded the examiner setting the question was. Nicky confused marking and criticising T and D's choregraphy, and often ended up suggesting that people do something that didnt fit the rest of the routine or what they had been told to do. If he wanted to have a snipe at the choregraphy thats what he needed to do - not deduct marks for following it.”
Perhaps it was short term pain for long term gain & that he felt he needed to mark her down to get the point across (I made the point elsewhere that whilst Bonnie was criticised for too many lifts & not enough skating but none of the judges ever really marked her down for it so her routines never changed). Nicky could obviously see that Suzanne had talent as a skater but perhaps feared that if this wasn't showcased then the public were unlikely to ever get behind her.
Obviously we will never know what would have happened for definite but I think Nicky played a key part in her victory as without that incident I don't think she'd have got such great routines later on like Music & without those she would not have won.
Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox:
“What's that post for?
Jess was one of my favourite contestants that year; I didn't mean it in a negative way.”
“What's that post for?
Jess was one of my favourite contestants that year; I didn't mean it in a negative way.”
Ok mate, we are sorted then.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Ok mate, we are sorted then.”
“Ok mate, we are sorted then.
”
I think Chloe has an edge over Jess in regards to performance and she definately has a bigger fan base because Jess was in the bottom two several times. Jess was a great skater though probably one of the best pure female skaters we have ever had.
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