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Old 06-02-2016, 15:09
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I thought he was channelling Laurence Llewellyn Bowen
That's who I thought it was at first.
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Old 06-02-2016, 15:30
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I know what is wrong with MSM now - the cosiness has gone. Where are the perfectly kept little villages and the country churches. Where are the eccentric villagers and their strange secrets. It's all gone out there and mainstream too much. Tom Barnaby should be wandering around and saying "Oh look there's Cully". John doesn't do this - I know his daughter is too young but his wife never joins in the village groups, the art or book societies thus uncovering dastardly plots.
I miss the old MSM and really cannot get to grips with these latest episodes. I often fall asleep and then have to rewind then fall asleep again. Not sure why I keep watching - maybe in the hope it will revert back to how it was.
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Old 06-02-2016, 16:10
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I know what is wrong with MSM now - the cosiness has gone. Where are the perfectly kept little villages and the country churches. Where are the eccentric villagers and their strange secrets. It's all gone out there and mainstream too much. Tom Barnaby should be wandering around and saying "Oh look there's Cully". John doesn't do this - I know his daughter is too young but his wife never joins in the village groups, the art or book societies thus uncovering dastardly plots.
I miss the old MSM and really cannot get to grips with these latest episodes. I often fall asleep and then have to rewind then fall asleep again. Not sure why I keep watching - maybe in the hope it will revert back to how it was.
BIB - probably cause she has a job but she could at least have PTA meetings or staff meetings etc where something was uncovered. Even a school sports day/fair would do! When she had the baby, it's a shame a mummy and baby group didn't pop up. Plenty of opportunities!
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Old 06-02-2016, 16:54
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BIB - probably cause she has a job but she could at least have PTA meetings or staff meetings etc where something was uncovered. Even a school sports day/fair would do! When she had the baby, it's a shame a mummy and baby group didn't pop up. Plenty of opportunities!
She does indeed have a job.

Does anyone else remember when it was first mentioned?

I was quite convinced that she was the headmistress of a primary school, but JB was certainly talking to secondary school children.
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Old 06-02-2016, 17:45
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Not only are actors being recycled (Adrian Scarborough etc.) but the characters are. In the first episode of the series (the one without any actual murders) there was an aristocratic family in a mansion and the daughter was involved with a tree surgeon, who spent most of his time climbing ropes. In this episode there was an aristocratic family in a mansion and a daughter was involved with an outward bound activity centre leader, who spent most of his time climbing ropes.

I agree with enna-g about the cosiness missing. I think the best summary of Misommers Murders' appeal was that it was "Agatha Christie on LSD". There should be this exaggerated tweeness mixed with the gothic (i.e. a high number of bizarre murders with outrageously absurd methods.)

Nelson is boring and he doesn't act the least bit like a policeman. Can't he elope somewhere with the irritating Kam and both get out of the series? Also, while I've no objections to ethnic minority actors appearing in MSM, there does seem to be a high proportion for a rural community. (NB Ramon Tikaram is gorgeous and he can't reappear too often for me)
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Old 06-02-2016, 21:57
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Shame Jones didn't stick around long enough - he could've had a reunion with Ferdy/Ramon Tikaram

Likewise, in the first episode of this series, the rich guy who wanted to buy the house was from Teachers like Kate, the non annoying Kam.
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Old 07-02-2016, 23:25
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Had a look at this episode again and noticed that it was strangely edited - did anyone notice that it wasn't until long after John had asked Charlie for 'speech tips' that Sarah suggested he consult Charlie and Kam?

Also, I get the feeling that this episode probably should have been shown before the cycling episode, because Charlie and Kam are super-competitive in that episode, whereas here that competitive chemistry is played down a lot more and feels like it's just starting to brew (when they get a bit funny and awkward about having suggested the same speech tip to Barnaby).

Another thing: yes, I'm pretty sure that Sarah was headmistress of a primary school. I think they forgot about that when scripting this episode... or at least to explain the change.

By the way, everyone keeps saying that Midsomer Murders has lost the cosiness but I strongly believe that what it's really missing now is the spooky stuff. Earlier episodes (particularly the ones featuring Scott) had a sort of dark, spooky feel to them, and the subject matter often mirrored that with psychics and people who believed in magic and all that stuff. A lot of that weird and eccentric stuff is missing from the show now. They need to bring it back!
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Old 09-02-2016, 17:09
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Something that has been discussed and a lot of posters agree on the mm forum is there are no psychotic killers anymore,and Barnaby always shows sympathy towards the killer. What happened to the early days where we had psychotic killers where you wanted to hide behind the sofa? Written in blood for example,the killer gave me nighmares for weeks
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Old 09-02-2016, 23:59
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I was quite convinced that she was the headmistress of a primary school, but JB was certainly talking to secondary school children.
I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that!

I was quite surprised to see Barnaby stand up in front of a group of teenagers at the end. I'd been wondering throughout the episode quite why he was so worried about giving a speech to primary school kids. (Not that that wouldn't have been important, but not needed something quite as in-depth as he was evidently preparing for.)
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Old 10-02-2016, 00:21
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Something that has been discussed and a lot of posters agree on the mm forum is there are no psychotic killers anymore,and Barnaby always shows sympathy towards the killer. What happened to the early days where we had psychotic killers where you wanted to hide behind the sofa? Written in blood for example,the killer gave me nighmares for weeks
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She was really scary, as was the killer in the episode Left for Dead (one of my favourites).
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:11
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Something that has been discussed and a lot of posters agree on the mm forum is there are no psychotic killers anymore,and Barnaby always shows sympathy towards the killer. What happened to the early days where we had psychotic killers where you wanted to hide behind the sofa? Written in blood for example,the killer gave me nighmares for weeks
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Or Psycotic children who kill people they didn't like. Even though I hated one of them who kept laughing.

The murders themselves in the new ones dont seem that different. They are still shocking at times. Though the one from the Scott era that always sticks in my mind is from Midsomer Rhapsody. Where the guy on the motorbike got decapitated. His head popped off like a Champange cork.
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:55
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Something that has been discussed and a lot of posters agree on the mm forum is there are no psychotic killers anymore,and Barnaby always shows sympathy towards the killer. What happened to the early days where we had psychotic killers where you wanted to hide behind the sofa? Written in blood for example,the killer gave me nighmares for weeks
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Indeed, and as was said earlier in this thread, where are the mad vicars and 300 year old grudges Seems a while since we've seen some of the more, errr, out there murder methods, I yearn for someone being catapulted to death by wine bottles It's all very well hanging them up in a sculpture after, but put a bit of effort into the actual method of death, lets have someone drowned in a tv set

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Old 10-02-2016, 12:14
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Indeed, and as was said earlier in this thread, where are the mad vicars and 300 year old grudges Seems a while since we've seen some of the more, errr, out there murder methods, I yearn for someone being catapulted to death by wine bottles It's all very well hanging them up in a sculpture after, but put a bit of effort into the actual method of death, lets have someone drowned in a tv set
one of my all time favourite death scenes all the time his wheelchair bound wife giving targeting instructions
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Old 10-02-2016, 14:49
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I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that!

I was quite surprised to see Barnaby stand up in front of a group of teenagers at the end. I'd been wondering throughout the episode quite why he was so worried about giving a speech to primary school kids.
John Nettles once said that they had changed the building they used as the entrance to Causton 'nick' on three occasions and no one had ever mentioned it.
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Old 10-02-2016, 16:16
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And I have to say, I fully concur, she puts the M into MILF
MILF?! Surely too old for that category which I thought was meant to be kind of 30s-40s. She might even have grandkids!
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Old 10-02-2016, 16:41
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We have been big fans of MSM from the start and have every episode. Whilst there were a few episodes we did not like with original Barnaby largely we enjoyed them.

The series should have ended when he left.

The episodes since have lost the ingredients needed for a proper MSM. These for me are

Plenty of shots of the lovely village scenes.

At least one truly eccentric character who is thinks themselves above everyone else and of course, the law.

No recycling of actors into other episodes unless they are the same character which would difficult as usually they killed off.

A touch of wry humour.

A decent plot with an ingenious murder. The original series had one or two I.e the drowning in the television and the wine bottles being catapulted at the victim.

As much as I enjoyed MSM I feel it has run its course and should be killed off. The storylines are now very poor, the acting is wooden and Barnaby and co have no likeable personality between them.
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Old 10-02-2016, 19:13
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We have been big fans of MSM from the start and have every episode. Whilst there were a few episodes we did not like with original Barnaby largely we enjoyed them.

The series should have ended when he left.

The episodes since have lost the ingredients needed for a proper MSM. These for me are

Plenty of shots of the lovely village scenes.

At least one truly eccentric character who is thinks themselves above everyone else and of course, the law.

No recycling of actors into other episodes unless they are the same character which would difficult as usually they killed off.

A touch of wry humour.

A decent plot with an ingenious murder. The original series had one or two I.e the drowning in the television and the wine bottles being catapulted at the victim.

As much as I enjoyed MSM I feel it has run its course and should be killed off. The storylines are now very poor, the acting is wooden and Barnaby and co have no likeable personality between them.
Well put, totally agree.
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Old 10-02-2016, 20:49
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I barely recognised Julia Sawalha. She looks very different, and it wasn't until I heard her speak that I realised it was her.
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Old 10-02-2016, 20:57
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I just popped in to say Gwilym Lee is so damn hot.
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Old 10-02-2016, 21:02
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I barely recognised Julia Sawalha. She looks very different, and it wasn't until I heard her speak that I realised it was her.
Is the publican Ralph Little. ?
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Old 10-02-2016, 21:14
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I thought when you find human remains you have to inform the police.
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Old 10-02-2016, 21:16
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Just popped in to say that on a real archaeological excavation, there is no way that human remains would be treated in such a manner.
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Old 10-02-2016, 21:19
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Holy c**p - that last murder made me jump
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Old 10-02-2016, 21:32
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I thought when you find human remains you have to inform the police.
Yes and No

If you are on a site where there are likely to be ancient remains, you can apply for a Home Office Licence before starting the dig. This would involve giving a detailed description of the site e.g. known roman site

If you come across remains unexpectedly and/or in an unusual context (i.e. not related to the surrounding archaeology), then this should be reported to the Police and the Coroner. If it is established that they are ancient remains, a licence can be granted quite quickly. If not.......!!
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Old 10-02-2016, 21:37
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Yes and No

If you are on a site where there are likely to be ancient remains, you can apply for a Home Office Licence before starting the dig. This would involve giving a detailed description of the site e.g. known roman site

If you come across remains unexpectedly and/or in an unusual context (i.e. not related to the surrounding archaeology), then this should be reported to the Police and the Coroner. If it is established that they are ancient remains, a licence can be granted quite quickly. If not.......!!
Cheers!
My knowledge, or lack of, comes from Time Team where I think I recall they found remains and had to notify the police.
I may recall incorrectly of course
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