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Automan recorded the same programme on a Foxsat and the Samsung. The Samsung stopped early, the Humax stopped correctly on the change of running status flag which Freesat+ uses to accomodate schedule time changes. So it's not a possibility.
The only important matter is, that humax handles that correctly and samsung not. And it shall definitely be fixed ASAP. Regards, Amarok |
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Fortunately, Laskys are still waiting for stock of the Samsung so I've cancelled my order and have gone for the Humax for now. There are still some features which make the Samsung attractive but it would be nice if it could reliably manage its primary function first.
I would have happily have put up with a few teething problems as an early adopter but the list of problems at the moment really makes it not fit for purpose and I've sent Samsung an email to that effect. Thanks for all the reports here and especially the comprehensive testing by Automan. |
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Or humax doesn't react on running status flag
Regards, Amarok On rare ocassions ITV have screwed up and the now/next switch overuns, the recording follows this. |
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I was going to buy one of these this week, but seeing as though it seems incapable of performing even basic functions, I may have to buy the good old Humax - even though I'm loath to invest in a product that is already over 2 years old.
New software doesn't have to have excessive defects, either. Apple appear to have cracked it, I'm writing this on a new iPad that works properly - straight out of the box. Don't tell me that an iPad is less complex than a Freesat PVR! |
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YouView aren't really releasing anything hardware, they are just releasing the specification for the boxes, it's up to manufacturers to produce boxes to meet that specification, and presumably win approval (just like on Freesat).
So YouView haven't said they are releasing Freeview first, as far as I'm aware it's Humax who have said that - quite rightly, as Freeview is a massively larger market, and Humax don't seem to be large enough to develop on two platforms at once. |
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It most definetely does. If you bring up the schedule just before a ITV1-HD recording is due. You can observe the recording start in the first few moments as the opening credits roll (coincident with the change of now/next epg data). At the end the reverse happens recording terminates at the end of the adverts just as the next program starts. If two recordings are back to back the box switches the recording to the second one exactly as this happens.
On rare ocassions ITV have screwed up and the now/next switch overuns, the recording follows this. Manual timers base on programme start/end times, so they are against the accurate recording scenario. Simple example: 1 minute before and 5 minutes recordings guard are set. Box starts recording and broadcaster changes the start of the programme to +30 minutes. Accurate recording works, manual looses the end of programme. Of course, if accurate recordings works correctly (and it is not from what we see), manual timers are not needed at all. |
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I had a response from Samsung.... Quote:
Dear Mr. Automan, Automan.
Thank you for contacting Samsung and I have pleasure in providing the following assistance. Kindly note that we will investigate this issue and contact you as soon as possible. If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and we will be more than happy to help. Kind regards, |
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. Of course, if accurate recordings works correctly (and it is not from what we see), manual timers are not needed at all.
.In this event manual recording is often the only way to get the start and end of a programme. |
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I edited my preview post to be more clear. In case of acurate recording, stop can be determined either on running status change or present/next programme change. I see no other possibility.
Manual timers base on programme start/end times, so they are against the accurate recording scenario. Simple example: 1 minute before and 5 minutes recordings guard are set. Box starts recording and broadcaster changes the start of the programme to +30 minutes. Accurate recording works, manual looses the end of programme. Of course, if accurate recordings works correctly (and it is not from what we see), manual timers are not needed at all. So far all others have been okay on a wide range of channels including back to back episodes of Batman on ITV4. Granted it needs fixing but is one of the boxes lesser problems. Automan. |
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If only the lesser broadcasters could get it right, some have not found out how it works yet
.In this event manual recording is often the only way to get the start and end of a programme. Maybe some hybrid approach shall be introduced (default accurate, but manual change cancel it and use the programme times with time guards enabled).
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One clever thing I have just noted is how it handles split programs...
Checking my one off recordings had not vanished I noticed I have six and not five. Executive Decision on 5 tonight has a five minute news break and from just one press of the record button it has created two entries (Humax would have created a series link). How well it handles the time of this news break only time will tell ![]() Automan. |
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Totally agree
Maybe some hybrid approach shall be introduced (default accurate, but manual change cancel it and use the programme times with time guards enabled).Accurate recording (with series capability if the broadcaster provides the right crids) Auto Padding (no AR but retains series linking) Editing of an existing recording to create a manual one. This gives the capability to specify virtually any repeat pattern you wish (A primitive series linking in effect) Entering a manual recording from scratch. I can't see any reason why the Samsung pvr can't offer a similar capability |
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One clever thing I have just noted is how it handles split programs...
Checking my one off recordings had not vanished I noticed I have six and not five. Executive Decision on 5 tonight has a five minute news break and from just one press of the record button it has created two entries (Humax would have created a series link). How well it handles the time of this news break only time will tell ![]() Automan. when recording is complete it will appear as 2 entries in the media list.It does NOT create a series link. |
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The HDR offers,
I can't see any reason why the Samsung pvr can't offer a similar capability I don't know if it would be used very often (if ever!) with AR working, but could be available for user (broadcasters faults, etc).
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The Humax automatically identifies and records split movies.
when recording is complete it will appear as 2 entries in the media list.It does NOT create a series link. My memory must be going, so many bugs to remember ![]() Automan. |
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I had a response from Samsung....
Automan. |
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Indeed, you are correct.
My memory must be going, so many bugs to remember ![]() Automan.
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Now had a reply from samsung via their web site issue tracker saying they are investigating...
A start I guess! |
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My response from Samsung was after project registration.
Perhaps as the number of complaints has risen there attitude is changing... Another BUG ![]() Earlier today I set five non series link recordings. All well and good. Earlier I watched yesterdays "Walking With Dead" in HD with glitchy audio and was looking forward tonight's episode. Watched bits of the gadget show no problem. Then Panorama which was supposed to be the HD one but I got Northern Ireland. Now the new bug. Time I thought to watch tonight's "Walking With Dead" But it was not listed just next Sunday & Monday's Then I realised it was recording Executive Decision and NCIS. I thought at least I could watch the remains of "Walking The Dead" so I stopped "NCIS" At that same moment it started recording "Walking The Dead" So it would seem tonight's one was in the timer list but it also let me set two recordings for the same time with no warning of a clash. Forgot to mention, tonight's Doctor Who recorded okay but with no program synopsis. Automan. |
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My response from Samsung was after project registration.
Perhaps as the number of complaints has risen there attitude is changing... Another BUG ![]() Earlier today I set five non series link recordings. All well and good. Earlier I watched yesterdays "Walking With Dead" in HD with glitchy audio and was looking forward tonight's episode. Watched bits of the gadget show no problem. Then Panorama which was supposed to be the HD one but I got Northern Ireland. Now the new bug. Time I thought to watch tonight's "Walking With Dead" But it was not listed just next Sunday & Monday's Then I realised it was recording Executive Decision and NCIS. I thought at least I could watch the remains of "Walking The Dead" so I stopped "NCIS" At that same moment it started recording "Walking The Dead" So it would seem tonight's one was in the timer list but it also let me set two recordings for the same time with no warning of a clash. Forgot to mention, tonight's Doctor Who recorded okay but with no program synopsis. Automan. |
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But the issue is I already had a series link for Walking the Dead for 21:00 setup.
It then let me schedule two more recordings which I only entered this afternoon also for 21:00 It should have warned me of the clash. The 38 minute recording I now have of tonight's "Walking The Dead" has no failure indication or reason why it is not the full hour. As a further test I have gone to guide next Sunday at 21:00 It shows "Walking the Dead" with a Red S On chn 107 at 21:00 is "Knocking at Heaven's Door" I select it to record On chn 110 at 21:00 is "A gu U, An Cuala Tu" I select it to record. Then the first two have the record indicator and then the record indicator vanishes from "Walking the Dead" and "A gu U, An Cuala Tu" gets one. What If I now delete "A gu U, An Cuala Tu"? Yes, the Red dot appears back on "Walking The Dead" How can one describe the way this box works? Automan. |
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But the issue is I already had a series link for Walking the Dead for 21:00 setup.
It then let me schedule two more recordings which I only entered this afternoon also for 21:00 It should have warned me of the clash. The 38 minute recording I now have of tonight's "Walking The Dead" has no failure indication or reason why it is not the full hour. As a further test I have gone to guide next Sunday at 21:00 It shows "Walking the Dead" with a Red S On chn 107 at 21:00 is "Knocking at Heaven's Door" I select it to record On chn 110 at 21:00 is "A gu U, An Cuala Tu" I select it to record. Then the first two have the record indicator and then the record indicator vanishes from "Walking the Dead" and "A gu U, An Cuala Tu" gets one. What If I now delete "A gu U, An Cuala Tu"? Yes, the Red dot appears back on "Walking The Dead" How can one describe the way this box works? Automan. This is the same with regional recordings. When I book the series to record, I want to have all episodes recorded, no matter if it's episode X is recorded on BBC England at 14.00 or BBC Welsh at 15.00 if the recording content is the same. If there is a rec conflict with England at 14, and one can record same episode on Welsh, why not to reschedule that? Of course, if I choose HD I want it in HD, not SD Regards, Amarok However, it shall not break recordings. Also some kind of indication of broken recordings shall be available (power supply lost, etc) |
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Perhaps it found another instance of Walking The Dead and rescheduled the series recording for this episode. Have you checked what the library says? However, it shall not break recordings. Also some kind of indication of broken recordings shall be available (power supply lost, etc)
EDIT: Checked, "Waking The Dead" has no alternate showings. I have yet to see it offer an alternate showing of a program when you try and make a recording. All it seems to offer is to delete both or all three of the programs that cause the clash. This dialogue box does not scroll the text so you cannot see the names of all the programs it will delete. My other planned non series link recordings are still on the box this morning so not sure when they vanish. Perhaps the channel line-up change? I also see "Walking The Dead" is really "Waking The Dead". Never actually watched it before and got the name wrong ![]() Automan. |
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I placed an order for mine just before all this kicked off, it arrives today so I will be joining you all in rattling Samsung's tree to get it fixed.
I see on the Samsung site the product details are still there but the reviews page has been removed, I wonder why. |
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I placed an order for mine just before all this kicked off, it arrives today so I will be joining you all in rattling Samsung's tree to get it fixed.
I see on the Samsung site the product details are still there but the reviews page has been removed, I wonder why. |
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Maybe some hybrid approach shall be introduced (default accurate, but manual change cancel it and use the programme times with time guards enabled).
