Pioneer Kuro 9th Gen Please HELP

192khz_24bit_ · 24-03-2011, 12:25

Hi..

My Pioneer 9th Gen screen is damaged!.. I am claiming via insurance and waiting a call.
I have already contacted Pioneer about replacement screen quotes.

My Question: If i am asked to replace my TV for a new replacement ,
what is the best 50inch Plasma out that is as GOOD! or better than the PDP-LX5090 KURO please help..

Repair will be my first option, but would like a backup option with which TV type 50inch to pick.

webbie · 24-03-2011, 13:07

I don't think there is one. You could wait for the Panny 50vt30 and see what that's like but the 20 had a few problems with floating blacks, 50Hz issues etc. Or so I've read on avforums.com....If I were you I would try everything to get the Pioneer fixed!

192khz_24bit_ · 24-03-2011, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by webbie

I don't think there is one. You could wait for the Panny 50vt30 and see what that's like but the 20 had a few problems with floating blacks, 50Hz issues etc. Or so I've read on avforums.com....If I were you I would try everything to get the Pioneer fixed!

Thank you

for your reply. I have I been asking a few shops today about a replacement screen and The same suggestion came up. The V20 screen from Panasonic are as good as the Kuro, but the V30 would be my best step forward to consider. The V30 are out next month..

I just cannot believe Pioneer stopped making screens.

Nigel Goodwin · 24-03-2011, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_

Thank you

for your reply. I have I been asking a few shops today about a replacement screen and The same suggestion came up. The V20 screen from Panasonic are as good as the Kuro, but the V30 would be my best step forward to consider. The V30 are out next month..

I just cannot believe Pioneer stopped making screens.

Pioneer stopped making TV's entirely, quite a while ago now, they also seem to have pulled out of most domestic electronics.

Why should Pioneer lose money just because you like their particular TV?.

192khz_24bit_ · 25-03-2011, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Pioneer stopped making TV's entirely, quite a while ago now, they also seem to have pulled out of most domestic electronics.

Why should Pioneer lose money just because you like their particular TV?.

I think you have taken my question a bit to far mate.. It was only pionting what a shame that Pioneer have stopped making the TV..

but if you could add or help with a TV make which is as good as Pioneer 9th gen screens then this would be a more helpful reply for me.

TheBigM · 25-03-2011, 11:37

The best plasma maker now is probably Panasonic. Their NeoPDP line is pretty good.

Nigel Goodwin · 25-03-2011, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_

I think you have taken my question a bit to far mate.. It was only pionting what a shame that Pioneer have stopped making the TV..

but if you could add or help with a TV make which is as good as Pioneer 9th gen screens then this would be a more helpful reply for me.

As you're presumably looking at Plasma, the only options are Panasonic, LG and Samsung - with (I would suggest) only Panasonic worth considering.

A great deal really depends on your insurance, they usually settle claims based on the current replacement value - not on the over inflated price the Pioneer was when you bought it.

As for repairing it?, it depends entirely on the price of a panel, and if it's even available - but generally the cost of a replacement panel is similar to the original cost of the TV (except in Sharp's case, where it's three times the original TV cost).

PlayerUK · 25-03-2011, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_

Thank you

for your reply. I have I been asking a few shops today about a replacement screen and The same suggestion came up. The V20 screen from Panasonic are as good as the Kuro, but the V30 would be my best step forward to consider. The V30 are out next month..

I just cannot believe Pioneer stopped making screens.

Potentially you have a problem here as you are used to a Kuro. Unfortunately the Panasonics, although excellent, are still not quite at the same level yet.

I would wait for the V30 panels as they are supposedly getting quite close to the Kuro now.

The V20 is a good panel but as you would expect the V30 is an improvement on that.

Chris Frost · 25-03-2011, 13:37

Pioneer pulled out of the TV market because the buying public seemed more interested in big headline numbers and low prices, and the retailers shot themselves in the foot selling on price rather than quality. Fujitsu made the same decision a couple of years earlier. It's a damned shame that this country is so cheap.

Anyway, the main reason for my post was to suggest a way to dramatically improve the picture quality of almost any TV.

Have a look in to calibration. Since the Panasonics use quite a bit of the technology from Pioneer screens then this is the best way to match - and perhaps exceed - the quality you've had from your Pioneer.

A proper calibration is a bit like an ECU remap on a car. It requires the right gear and someone with skills.... but the results... Oh mama!!!

Peter the Great · 25-03-2011, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Pioneer stopped making TV's entirely, quite a while ago now, they also seem to have pulled out of most domestic electronics.

Why should Pioneer lose money just because you like their particular TV?.

They seem to still make quite a few blu ray players and speakers. Just because the likes of Comet and Currys don't stock any of their products doesn't mean that Pioneer aren't still going strong.

Chris Frost · 25-03-2011, 15:19

Pioneer make a lot of audio and AV gear.... just not tellies any more

Nigel Goodwin · 25-03-2011, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

Pioneer make a lot of audio and AV gear.... just not tellies any more

Or DVD recorders - they have pulled out of most domestic electronics, and only do audio gear.

Peter the Great · 25-03-2011, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Or DVD recorders - they have pulled out of most domestic electronics, and only do audio gear.

Audio is what Pioneer have mainly been known for in the past anyway. They do also still make blu ray players.

charmed1987 · 25-03-2011, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter the Great

Audio is what Pioneer have mainly been known for in the past anyway. They do also still make blu ray players.

Only Certain Models Peter the BDP-120 is a Rebadged Sharp

Peter the Great · 26-03-2011, 02:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by charmed1987

Only Certain Models Peter the BDP-120 is a Rebadged Sharp

An internet search confirms you are correct. The BDP 330 is also a Sharp rebadge.

192khz_24bit_ · 26-03-2011, 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

As you're presumably looking at Plasma, the only options are Panasonic, LG and Samsung - with (I would suggest) only Panasonic worth considering.

A great deal really depends on your insurance, they usually settle claims based on the current replacement value - not on the over inflated price the Pioneer was when you bought it.

As for repairing it?, it depends entirely on the price of a panel, and if it's even available - but generally the cost of a replacement panel is similar to the original cost of the TV (except in Sharp's case, where it's three times the original TV cost).

The Repair is around £1500.00 which was a quote from Pioneer Engineer.

The Panasonic V20 which i have just seen yesterday at a Hi-Fi shop was not as good as my Kuro.
I am happy to wait and see the new V30 range which seems to be the only TV that offers something as good or close to the Kuro.

Someone mentioned Plasma TV.. I am old school and still find Plasma TV's the best,
comparing my 9th Gen Kuro Pioneer to everything else at the time..

Hence why i am finding it very hard to find a TV as good as Pioneer Plasma TV's..

Ragnarok · 26-03-2011, 15:29

push for a Fix there is nothing comparable out there at the moment.

I've had last years top of the range panasonic TXP50VT20, it flickers like all the panasonic plasma's in store. which even made family and friend who couldn't see it nauseous, which makes them un-watchable if you see that and for some that it makes feel ill. The processor doesn't handle 50hz pictures properly and does it best to create an off colour 1st gen LCD type lag effect. also the colour banding a poisturisation issues. None of of these issues are fixed on this years models.

I tracked down a refurbished pioneer LX-5090 to replace it, no 3d but the 2d picture still blows away anything else out there.

The only real alternative is a top of the line LG, doesn't match pioneer for Picture Quality, has image retention issues ( the pioneer is by far the most Image retention resistant plasma i've seen) but it's pretty decent but most of all watchable.

pocatello · 26-03-2011, 23:42

Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation?

Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning.

192khz_24bit_ · 27-03-2011, 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocatello

Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation?

Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning.

Yes i have compared Kuro to Panasonic. What is funny is the shops i have been in to see
have ALL fully agreed with Kuro still being the best TV out todate. Some have said the new Panasonic
V30 out next month might give the Kuro a run for it's money. To me. Pioneer was so far ahead
of everyone else, it has taken years for some to come close or catch up the Kuro range.

I will be pushing for a repair as my first option when they ask me what i would like to do.. or wait for the V30.

Ragnarok · 27-03-2011, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocatello

Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation?

Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning.

I've had both, I bash the panasonic because the flaws are obvious, and make it un watchable for me.

After i got the pioneer set up properly, the difference was night and say. the pioneer blacks still made me think holy s*** compared to the vt20. The pioneer also produces a much more natural looking picture when set-up properly.

I've seen this years Panasonics too at a show VT30 et all, and found all the same glaring issues, flicker, 50hz problems, banding , there all still there. so I won't even consider buying one.

woppy101 · 27-03-2011, 19:52

i have just had my screen replaced by a pioneer servce center,the price all in was £1340 even though the tv was out of warranty pioneer agreed to pay half so i only had to pay £670.you could ask if pioneer would pay somthing toward the repair because you wont be happy with anything other than a pioneer,and thats from experence in the past 2 years i have had panny G10,panny X10,3xLG PK590's,panny G20,sammy C7000,panny Z1,4x LG PX990's and all roads lead back to the LX5090

Glawster2002 · 28-03-2011, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

As you're presumably looking at Plasma, the only options are Panasonic, LG and Samsung - with (I would suggest) only Panasonic worth considering.

A great deal really depends on your insurance, they usually settle claims based on the current replacement value - not on the over inflated price the Pioneer was when you bought it.

As for repairing it?, it depends entirely on the price of a panel, and if it's even available - but generally the cost of a replacement panel is similar to the original cost of the TV (except in Sharp's case, where it's three times the original TV cost).

I think something is only "over-priced" if you think you have paid too much for what you get. Certainly for me, the price I paid for my mine when compared to other similar priced plasma screens was anything but "over inflated".

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocatello

Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation?

Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning.

If it is a Pioneer Kuro it still has meaning......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnarok

I've had both, I bash the panasonic because the flaws are obvious, and make it un watchable for me.

After i got the pioneer set up properly, the difference was night and say. the pioneer blacks still made me think holy s*** compared to the vt20. The pioneer also produces a much more natural looking picture when set-up properly.

I've seen this years Panasonics too at a show VT30 et all, and found all the same glaring issues, flicker, 50hz problems, banding , there all still there. so I won't even consider buying one.

That is the secret, to get it set up properly. Once you have done that it is truly stunning. I've had mine for a little over a year now and I still find myself sitting there thinking "wow"!

192khz_24bit_ · 28-03-2011, 23:20

I will be asking for a repair and i will be pushing for a repair only option

.. If they offer me the latest Plasma, LCD or other TV as a replacement, then i will have no other choice but to sell it on eBay and buy another Pioneer Kuro 5090 on eBay.. Thank you all

192khz_24bit_ · 31-03-2011, 22:26

Just an update..

Still waiting for the insurance man to come round and confirm the TV fault..

I could not wait any longer and bought YES! believe it or not, a Brand New Pioneer 5090 on eBay.. So very happy..

Cost me £1170.00 plus £30.00 post = £ 1200.00 I have seen second hand ones sell for more than this..

The wife will not talk to me LOL..and said WHY! considering i have just bought the Zeppelin Air B&W.. why do women not understand LOL

jatt4x4 · 03-06-2011, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_

Just an update..

Still waiting for the insurance man to come round and confirm the TV fault..

I could not wait any longer and bought YES! believe it or not, a Brand New Pioneer 5090 on eBay.. So very happy..

Cost me £1170.00 plus £30.00 post = £ 1200.00 I have seen second hand ones sell for more than this..

The wife will not talk to me LOL..and said WHY! considering i have just bought the Zeppelin Air B&W.. why do women not understand LOL

Hi Mate,

What was the outcome of Insurance company? I am in the similar situation, wondering if I could convince them for the TV repair than replacement.

24-03-2011, 12:25	#1
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	Pioneer Kuro 9th Gen Please HELP Hi.. My Pioneer 9th Gen screen is damaged!.. I am claiming via insurance and waiting a call. I have already contacted Pioneer about replacement screen quotes. My Question: If i am asked to replace my TV for a new replacement , what is the best 50inch Plasma out that is as GOOD! or better than the PDP-LX5090 KURO please help.. Repair will be my first option, but would like a backup option with which TV type 50inch to pick.

24-03-2011, 13:07	#2
webbie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Devon Posts: 1,568	I don't think there is one. You could wait for the Panny 50vt30 and see what that's like but the 20 had a few problems with floating blacks, 50Hz issues etc. Or so I've read on avforums.com....If I were you I would try everything to get the Pioneer fixed!

24-03-2011, 19:17	#3
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	Quote: Originally Posted by webbie I don't think there is one. You could wait for the Panny 50vt30 and see what that's like but the 20 had a few problems with floating blacks, 50Hz issues etc. Or so I've read on avforums.com....If I were you I would try everything to get the Pioneer fixed! Thank you for your reply. I have I been asking a few shops today about a replacement screen and The same suggestion came up. The V20 screen from Panasonic are as good as the Kuro, but the V30 would be my best step forward to consider. The V30 are out next month.. I just cannot believe Pioneer stopped making screens.

24-03-2011, 22:20	#4
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_ Thank you for your reply. I have I been asking a few shops today about a replacement screen and The same suggestion came up. The V20 screen from Panasonic are as good as the Kuro, but the V30 would be my best step forward to consider. The V30 are out next month.. I just cannot believe Pioneer stopped making screens. Pioneer stopped making TV's entirely, quite a while ago now, they also seem to have pulled out of most domestic electronics. Why should Pioneer lose money just because you like their particular TV?.

25-03-2011, 11:35	#5
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Pioneer stopped making TV's entirely, quite a while ago now, they also seem to have pulled out of most domestic electronics. Why should Pioneer lose money just because you like their particular TV?. I think you have taken my question a bit to far mate.. It was only pionting what a shame that Pioneer have stopped making the TV.. but if you could add or help with a TV make which is as good as Pioneer 9th gen screens then this would be a more helpful reply for me.

25-03-2011, 11:37	#6
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	The best plasma maker now is probably Panasonic. Their NeoPDP line is pretty good.

25-03-2011, 11:40	#7
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_ I think you have taken my question a bit to far mate.. It was only pionting what a shame that Pioneer have stopped making the TV.. but if you could add or help with a TV make which is as good as Pioneer 9th gen screens then this would be a more helpful reply for me. As you're presumably looking at Plasma, the only options are Panasonic, LG and Samsung - with (I would suggest) only Panasonic worth considering. A great deal really depends on your insurance, they usually settle claims based on the current replacement value - not on the over inflated price the Pioneer was when you bought it. As for repairing it?, it depends entirely on the price of a panel, and if it's even available - but generally the cost of a replacement panel is similar to the original cost of the TV (except in Sharp's case, where it's three times the original TV cost).

25-03-2011, 12:03	#8
PlayerUK Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 702	Quote: Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_ Thank you for your reply. I have I been asking a few shops today about a replacement screen and The same suggestion came up. The V20 screen from Panasonic are as good as the Kuro, but the V30 would be my best step forward to consider. The V30 are out next month.. I just cannot believe Pioneer stopped making screens. Potentially you have a problem here as you are used to a Kuro. Unfortunately the Panasonics, although excellent, are still not quite at the same level yet. I would wait for the V30 panels as they are supposedly getting quite close to the Kuro now. The V20 is a good panel but as you would expect the V30 is an improvement on that.

25-03-2011, 13:37	#9
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	Pioneer pulled out of the TV market because the buying public seemed more interested in big headline numbers and low prices, and the retailers shot themselves in the foot selling on price rather than quality. Fujitsu made the same decision a couple of years earlier. It's a damned shame that this country is so cheap. Anyway, the main reason for my post was to suggest a way to dramatically improve the picture quality of almost any TV. Have a look in to calibration. Since the Panasonics use quite a bit of the technology from Pioneer screens then this is the best way to match - and perhaps exceed - the quality you've had from your Pioneer. A proper calibration is a bit like an ECU remap on a car. It requires the right gear and someone with skills.... but the results... Oh mama!!!

25-03-2011, 14:38	#10
Peter the Great Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,078	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Pioneer stopped making TV's entirely, quite a while ago now, they also seem to have pulled out of most domestic electronics. Why should Pioneer lose money just because you like their particular TV?. They seem to still make quite a few blu ray players and speakers. Just because the likes of Comet and Currys don't stock any of their products doesn't mean that Pioneer aren't still going strong.

25-03-2011, 15:19	#11
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	Pioneer make a lot of audio and AV gear.... just not tellies any more

25-03-2011, 17:10	#12
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Frost Pioneer make a lot of audio and AV gear.... just not tellies any more Or DVD recorders - they have pulled out of most domestic electronics, and only do audio gear.

25-03-2011, 17:25	#13
Peter the Great Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,078	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Or DVD recorders - they have pulled out of most domestic electronics, and only do audio gear. Audio is what Pioneer have mainly been known for in the past anyway. They do also still make blu ray players.

25-03-2011, 21:56	#14
charmed1987 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,346	Quote: Originally Posted by Peter the Great Audio is what Pioneer have mainly been known for in the past anyway. They do also still make blu ray players. Only Certain Models Peter the BDP-120 is a Rebadged Sharp

26-03-2011, 02:25	#15
Peter the Great Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,078	Quote: Originally Posted by charmed1987 Only Certain Models Peter the BDP-120 is a Rebadged Sharp An internet search confirms you are correct. The BDP 330 is also a Sharp rebadge.

26-03-2011, 14:49	#16
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin As you're presumably looking at Plasma, the only options are Panasonic, LG and Samsung - with (I would suggest) only Panasonic worth considering. A great deal really depends on your insurance, they usually settle claims based on the current replacement value - not on the over inflated price the Pioneer was when you bought it. As for repairing it?, it depends entirely on the price of a panel, and if it's even available - but generally the cost of a replacement panel is similar to the original cost of the TV (except in Sharp's case, where it's three times the original TV cost). The Repair is around £1500.00 which was a quote from Pioneer Engineer. The Panasonic V20 which i have just seen yesterday at a Hi-Fi shop was not as good as my Kuro. I am happy to wait and see the new V30 range which seems to be the only TV that offers something as good or close to the Kuro. Someone mentioned Plasma TV.. I am old school and still find Plasma TV's the best, comparing my 9th Gen Kuro Pioneer to everything else at the time.. Hence why i am finding it very hard to find a TV as good as Pioneer Plasma TV's..

26-03-2011, 15:29	#17
Ragnarok Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: too close to Hell, Londonistan Posts: 4,570	push for a Fix there is nothing comparable out there at the moment. I've had last years top of the range panasonic TXP50VT20, it flickers like all the panasonic plasma's in store. which even made family and friend who couldn't see it nauseous, which makes them un-watchable if you see that and for some that it makes feel ill. The processor doesn't handle 50hz pictures properly and does it best to create an off colour 1st gen LCD type lag effect. also the colour banding a poisturisation issues. None of of these issues are fixed on this years models. I tracked down a refurbished pioneer LX-5090 to replace it, no 3d but the 2d picture still blows away anything else out there. The only real alternative is a top of the line LG, doesn't match pioneer for Picture Quality, has image retention issues ( the pioneer is by far the most Image retention resistant plasma i've seen) but it's pretty decent but most of all watchable.

26-03-2011, 23:42	#18
pocatello Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,622	Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation? Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning.

27-03-2011, 11:45	#19
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation? Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning. Yes i have compared Kuro to Panasonic. What is funny is the shops i have been in to see have ALL fully agreed with Kuro still being the best TV out todate. Some have said the new Panasonic V30 out next month might give the Kuro a run for it's money. To me. Pioneer was so far ahead of everyone else, it has taken years for some to come close or catch up the Kuro range. I will be pushing for a repair as my first option when they ask me what i would like to do.. or wait for the V30.

27-03-2011, 11:58	#20
Ragnarok Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: too close to Hell, Londonistan Posts: 4,570	Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation? Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning. I've had both, I bash the panasonic because the flaws are obvious, and make it un watchable for me. After i got the pioneer set up properly, the difference was night and say. the pioneer blacks still made me think holy s*** compared to the vt20. The pioneer also produces a much more natural looking picture when set-up properly. I've seen this years Panasonics too at a show VT30 et all, and found all the same glaring issues, flicker, 50hz problems, banding , there all still there. so I won't even consider buying one.

27-03-2011, 19:52	#21
woppy101 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 27	i have just had my screen replaced by a pioneer servce center,the price all in was £1340 even though the tv was out of warranty pioneer agreed to pay half so i only had to pay £670.you could ask if pioneer would pay somthing toward the repair because you wont be happy with anything other than a pioneer,and thats from experence in the past 2 years i have had panny G10,panny X10,3xLG PK590's,panny G20,sammy C7000,panny Z1,4x LG PX990's and all roads lead back to the LX5090

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28-03-2011, 14:06	#22
Glawster2002 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nailsworth, Gloucestershire Posts: 10,404	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin As you're presumably looking at Plasma, the only options are Panasonic, LG and Samsung - with (I would suggest) only Panasonic worth considering. A great deal really depends on your insurance, they usually settle claims based on the current replacement value - not on the over inflated price the Pioneer was when you bought it. As for repairing it?, it depends entirely on the price of a panel, and if it's even available - but generally the cost of a replacement panel is similar to the original cost of the TV (except in Sharp's case, where it's three times the original TV cost). I think something is only "over-priced" if you think you have paid too much for what you get. Certainly for me, the price I paid for my mine when compared to other similar priced plasma screens was anything but "over inflated". Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Have people tested the kuro side by side with the newest panasonics or are they basing this on kuro reputation? Anyways, now that sanyo bought the kuro name to slap on lcds it ceases to have meaning. If it is a Pioneer Kuro it still has meaning...... Quote: Originally Posted by Ragnarok I've had both, I bash the panasonic because the flaws are obvious, and make it un watchable for me. After i got the pioneer set up properly, the difference was night and say. the pioneer blacks still made me think holy s*** compared to the vt20. The pioneer also produces a much more natural looking picture when set-up properly. I've seen this years Panasonics too at a show VT30 et all, and found all the same glaring issues, flicker, 50hz problems, banding , there all still there. so I won't even consider buying one. That is the secret, to get it set up properly. Once you have done that it is truly stunning. I've had mine for a little over a year now and I still find myself sitting there thinking "wow"!

28-03-2011, 23:20	#23
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	I will be asking for a repair and i will be pushing for a repair only option .. If they offer me the latest Plasma, LCD or other TV as a replacement, then i will have no other choice but to sell it on eBay and buy another Pioneer Kuro 5090 on eBay.. Thank you all

31-03-2011, 22:26	#24
192khz_24bit_ Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 33	Just an update.. Still waiting for the insurance man to come round and confirm the TV fault.. I could not wait any longer and bought YES! believe it or not, a Brand New Pioneer 5090 on eBay.. So very happy.. Cost me £1170.00 plus £30.00 post = £ 1200.00 I have seen second hand ones sell for more than this.. The wife will not talk to me LOL..and said WHY! considering i have just bought the Zeppelin Air B&W.. why do women not understand LOL

03-06-2011, 16:40	#25
jatt4x4 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2	Quote: Originally Posted by 192khz_24bit_ Just an update.. Still waiting for the insurance man to come round and confirm the TV fault.. I could not wait any longer and bought YES! believe it or not, a Brand New Pioneer 5090 on eBay.. So very happy.. Cost me £1170.00 plus £30.00 post = £ 1200.00 I have seen second hand ones sell for more than this.. The wife will not talk to me LOL..and said WHY! considering i have just bought the Zeppelin Air B&W.. why do women not understand LOL Hi Mate, What was the outcome of Insurance company? I am in the similar situation, wondering if I could convince them for the TV repair than replacement.