What happened to the orange tmobile 3G share?

newscot · 24-03-2011, 20:56

I thought it was all being switched on this month?

plymouthbloke1974 · 24-03-2011, 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by newscot

I thought it was all being switched on this month?

Errrrr no. Wrong month

davybhoy · 25-03-2011, 01:41

Orange helpers on Facebook have have said that it is supposed to be happening in Spring. That's as good as it gets as far as they go...

Lummo · 25-03-2011, 02:30

Next month i believe!

brynhyfrydd · 25-03-2011, 02:38

I thought it had already happened.

ohh well.

Pliny the Elder · 25-03-2011, 02:40

Will this be better for Orange or T Mobile customers? Who will benefit the most?

wavejockglw · 25-03-2011, 07:57

Both will benefit depending on where the service is used.

T-Mobile, Orange and 3 will share transmission sites thoughout the UK via a company called Mobile Broadband Ltd. Vodafone and 02 have also reached agreement to share their transmission sites so there will effectively only be two networks offering slightly different coverage. All of the operators will still have their own bandwidth which will carry their services separately although Orange & T-Mobile customers will be able to roam from one network to the other.

This should make the choice of network simpler for customers.

legends wear 7 · 25-03-2011, 09:01

O2 and Vodafone are only sharing locations. Not network infrastructure thus they are still two different networks.

unklesam · 25-03-2011, 21:46

So can 3 piggy back onto Orange and Tmo yet it Orange and Tmo can't roam on 3 correct?

coolesticeking · 26-03-2011, 16:54

3 will not be able to piggy-back onto T-Mobile but can roam onto Orange just as it currently is, BUT 3 are turning the Orange Back-Up off in the areas in which they feel it's own 3G is good.

Thine Wonk · 26-03-2011, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolesticeking

3 will not be able to piggy-back onto T-Mobile but can roam onto Orange just as it currently is, BUT 3 are turning the Orange Back-Up off in the areas in which they feel it's own 3G is good.

3 currently do and will continue to share 3G coverage with T-mobile, meaning 3 and T-mobile's coverage is shared. Soon Orange will decommission the majority their 3G infrastructure and 3 / T-mobile masts will allow access to Orange users. Orange will keep around 3,000 3G masts just for them, for capacity reasons.

coolesticeking · 26-03-2011, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

3 currently do and will continue to share 3G coverage with T-mobile, meaning 3 and T-mobile's coverage is shared. Soon Orange will decommission the majority their 3G infrastructure and 3 / T-mobile masts will allow access to Orange users. Orange will keep around 3,000 3G masts just for them, for capacity reasons.

They share the mast... Nothing else!

Backhaul/Bandwidth is not shared...

Because you can get the same signal on T-Mobile and 3 because it's the same mast, does not mean T-Mobile and 3 will give you the same speed or quality.

Talking about coverage, I get a better 3G signal from T-Mobile than 3 as it's been higher on the mast than 3's lower down!

Thine Wonk · 26-03-2011, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolesticeking

Because you can get the same signal on T-Mobile and 3 because it's the same mast, does not mean T-Mobile and 3 will give you the same speed or quality.

Talking about coverage, I get a better 3G signal from T-Mobile than 3 as it's been higher on the mast than 3's lower down!

No they share the RAN. The backhaul is different, but the transmission is shared. There is only 1 set of cells on the mast, if there are 2 then it's a t-mobile 2G or belongs to another network.

I'm correcting you above because you said "3 will not be able to piggy-back onto T-Mobile". Although it has a different backhaul they do share transmission at sites.

coolesticeking · 26-03-2011, 17:25

This was before only a T-Mobile Site because I used to get a great 3 signal before they moved it to this:

3 radio transmitters found at this map location.
Name of Operator 3
Operator Site Ref. WS0133
Station Type Macrocell
Height of Antenna 15.85 Metres
Frequency Range 2100 MHz
Transmitter Power 23.76 dBW
Maximum licensed power 32 dBW
Type of Transmission UMTS

Name of Operator T-MOBILE
Operator Site Ref. 99169
Station Type Macrocell
Height of Antenna 15 Metres
Frequency Range 1800 MHz
Transmitter Power 27 dBW
Maximum licensed power 32 dBW
Type of Transmission GSM

Name of Operator T-MOBILE
Operator Site Ref. 99169
Station Type Macrocell
Height of Antenna 16.5 Metres
Frequency Range 2100 MHz
Transmitter Power 19 dBW
Maximum licensed power 32 dBW
Type of Transmission UMTS

Thine Wonk · 26-03-2011, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolesticeking

This was before only a T-Mobile Site because I used to get a great 3 signal before they moved it to this:

3 radio transmitters found at this map location.
Name of Operator 3
Operator Site Ref. WS0133
Station Type Macrocell
Height of Antenna 15.85 Metres
Frequency Range 2100 MHz
Transmitter Power 23.76 dBW
Maximum licensed power 32 dBW
Type of Transmission UMTS

Name of Operator T-MOBILE
Operator Site Ref. 99169
Station Type Macrocell
Height of Antenna 15 Metres
Frequency Range 1800 MHz
Transmitter Power 27 dBW
Maximum licensed power 32 dBW
Type of Transmission GSM

Name of Operator T-MOBILE
Operator Site Ref. 99169
Station Type Macrocell
Height of Antenna 16.5 Metres
Frequency Range 2100 MHz
Transmitter Power 19 dBW
Maximum licensed power 32 dBW
Type of Transmission UMTS

This data may be out of date, but all the 3 and T-mobile masts I've seen are 1 shared set of cells for 3G.

unklesam · 26-03-2011, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

3 currently do and will continue to share 3G coverage with T-mobile, meaning 3 and T-mobile's coverage is shared. Soon Orange will decommission the majority their 3G infrastructure and 3 / T-mobile masts will allow access to Orange users. Orange will keep around 3,000 3G masts just for them, for capacity reasons.

Well I can't get 3 or Tmo around here so if Orange is switched of I will have no signal

Thine Wonk · 26-03-2011, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by unklesam

Well I can't get 3 or Tmo around here so if Orange is switched of I will have no signal

When did you last try, their coverage has increased so much in the last year.

You won't necessarily lose your Orange mast.

unklesam · 26-03-2011, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

When did you last try, their coverage has increased so much in the last year.

You won't necessarily lose your Orange mast.

Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals

Telefonica O2-UK
Vodafone UK
Orange

Thine Wonk · 26-03-2011, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by unklesam

Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals

Telefonica O2-UK
Vodafone UK
Orange

Do you have a 3g phone?

plymouthbloke1974 · 26-03-2011, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by unklesam

Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals

Telefonica O2-UK
Vodafone UK
Orange

Most of T-Mobiles masts in NI are being removed and Oranges coverage strengthened in the coming months.

unklesam · 26-03-2011, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Do you have a 3g phone?

Yes a 3GS and a Galaxy S

TheBigM · 27-03-2011, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by unklesam

Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals

Telefonica O2-UK
Vodafone UK
Orange

I'd probably go with Vodafone then.

furrycheeky · 29-03-2011, 00:58

Its all working where I am, My phone is native Orange, but at several local places it detects that Tmobile is a better choice and I get "UK Orange-Tmobile". All services work as they should and internet connection is just as good.

Great benefit to me, living outside a main town there used to be obvious black spots that are now covered.

goodkarma · 29-03-2011, 12:30

dont know if this is relevant, but since the T-mobile and orange merger, i have noticed that my network and 3g coverage is worse off. It was better when it was only orange. Basically i come out of my local tube station and check the bus timetable on the Buss app on my iphone 3g to see how long the buss will be. since the tmobile and orange merger i regulary get no service when i come out of the tube station and when i do get network its not 3g, so the buss app dont work. very dissapointed with this degradation of service

plymouthbloke1974 · 30-03-2011, 15:35

3G network share was planned for 1st week in May. Just heard it's been postponed.

24-03-2011, 20:56	#1
newscot Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 11	What happened to the orange tmobile 3G share? I thought it was all being switched on this month?

24-03-2011, 23:58	#2
plymouthbloke1974 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Destination: Hard Brexit Posts: 6,368	Quote: Originally Posted by newscot I thought it was all being switched on this month? Errrrr no. Wrong month

25-03-2011, 01:41	#3
davybhoy Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 1,241	Orange helpers on Facebook have have said that it is supposed to be happening in Spring. That's as good as it gets as far as they go...

25-03-2011, 02:30	#4
Lummo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 6,737	Next month i believe!

25-03-2011, 02:38	#5
brynhyfrydd Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Colchester Posts: 460	I thought it had already happened. ohh well.

25-03-2011, 02:40	#6
Pliny the Elder Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,411	Will this be better for Orange or T Mobile customers? Who will benefit the most?

25-03-2011, 07:57	#7
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	Both will benefit depending on where the service is used. T-Mobile, Orange and 3 will share transmission sites thoughout the UK via a company called Mobile Broadband Ltd. Vodafone and 02 have also reached agreement to share their transmission sites so there will effectively only be two networks offering slightly different coverage. All of the operators will still have their own bandwidth which will carry their services separately although Orange & T-Mobile customers will be able to roam from one network to the other. This should make the choice of network simpler for customers.

25-03-2011, 09:01	#8
legends wear 7 Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,070	O2 and Vodafone are only sharing locations. Not network infrastructure thus they are still two different networks.

25-03-2011, 21:46	#9
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	So can 3 piggy back onto Orange and Tmo yet it Orange and Tmo can't roam on 3 correct?

26-03-2011, 16:54	#10
coolesticeking Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 138	3 will not be able to piggy-back onto T-Mobile but can roam onto Orange just as it currently is, BUT 3 are turning the Orange Back-Up off in the areas in which they feel it's own 3G is good.

26-03-2011, 17:03	#11
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by coolesticeking 3 will not be able to piggy-back onto T-Mobile but can roam onto Orange just as it currently is, BUT 3 are turning the Orange Back-Up off in the areas in which they feel it's own 3G is good. 3 currently do and will continue to share 3G coverage with T-mobile, meaning 3 and T-mobile's coverage is shared. Soon Orange will decommission the majority their 3G infrastructure and 3 / T-mobile masts will allow access to Orange users. Orange will keep around 3,000 3G masts just for them, for capacity reasons.

26-03-2011, 17:05	#12
coolesticeking Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 138	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk 3 currently do and will continue to share 3G coverage with T-mobile, meaning 3 and T-mobile's coverage is shared. Soon Orange will decommission the majority their 3G infrastructure and 3 / T-mobile masts will allow access to Orange users. Orange will keep around 3,000 3G masts just for them, for capacity reasons. They share the mast... Nothing else! Backhaul/Bandwidth is not shared... Because you can get the same signal on T-Mobile and 3 because it's the same mast, does not mean T-Mobile and 3 will give you the same speed or quality. Talking about coverage, I get a better 3G signal from T-Mobile than 3 as it's been higher on the mast than 3's lower down!

26-03-2011, 17:20	#13
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by coolesticeking Because you can get the same signal on T-Mobile and 3 because it's the same mast, does not mean T-Mobile and 3 will give you the same speed or quality. Talking about coverage, I get a better 3G signal from T-Mobile than 3 as it's been higher on the mast than 3's lower down! No they share the RAN. The backhaul is different, but the transmission is shared. There is only 1 set of cells on the mast, if there are 2 then it's a t-mobile 2G or belongs to another network. I'm correcting you above because you said "3 will not be able to piggy-back onto T-Mobile". Although it has a different backhaul they do share transmission at sites.

26-03-2011, 17:25	#14
coolesticeking Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 138	This was before only a T-Mobile Site because I used to get a great 3 signal before they moved it to this: 3 radio transmitters found at this map location. Name of Operator 3 Operator Site Ref. WS0133 Station Type Macrocell Height of Antenna 15.85 Metres Frequency Range 2100 MHz Transmitter Power 23.76 dBW Maximum licensed power 32 dBW Type of Transmission UMTS Name of Operator T-MOBILE Operator Site Ref. 99169 Station Type Macrocell Height of Antenna 15 Metres Frequency Range 1800 MHz Transmitter Power 27 dBW Maximum licensed power 32 dBW Type of Transmission GSM Name of Operator T-MOBILE Operator Site Ref. 99169 Station Type Macrocell Height of Antenna 16.5 Metres Frequency Range 2100 MHz Transmitter Power 19 dBW Maximum licensed power 32 dBW Type of Transmission UMTS

26-03-2011, 17:29	#15
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by coolesticeking This was before only a T-Mobile Site because I used to get a great 3 signal before they moved it to this: 3 radio transmitters found at this map location. Name of Operator 3 Operator Site Ref. WS0133 Station Type Macrocell Height of Antenna 15.85 Metres Frequency Range 2100 MHz Transmitter Power 23.76 dBW Maximum licensed power 32 dBW Type of Transmission UMTS Name of Operator T-MOBILE Operator Site Ref. 99169 Station Type Macrocell Height of Antenna 15 Metres Frequency Range 1800 MHz Transmitter Power 27 dBW Maximum licensed power 32 dBW Type of Transmission GSM Name of Operator T-MOBILE Operator Site Ref. 99169 Station Type Macrocell Height of Antenna 16.5 Metres Frequency Range 2100 MHz Transmitter Power 19 dBW Maximum licensed power 32 dBW Type of Transmission UMTS This data may be out of date, but all the 3 and T-mobile masts I've seen are 1 shared set of cells for 3G.

26-03-2011, 17:53	#16
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk 3 currently do and will continue to share 3G coverage with T-mobile, meaning 3 and T-mobile's coverage is shared. Soon Orange will decommission the majority their 3G infrastructure and 3 / T-mobile masts will allow access to Orange users. Orange will keep around 3,000 3G masts just for them, for capacity reasons. Well I can't get 3 or Tmo around here so if Orange is switched of I will have no signal

26-03-2011, 19:31	#17
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by unklesam Well I can't get 3 or Tmo around here so if Orange is switched of I will have no signal When did you last try, their coverage has increased so much in the last year. You won't necessarily lose your Orange mast.

26-03-2011, 20:19	#18
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk When did you last try, their coverage has increased so much in the last year. You won't necessarily lose your Orange mast. Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals Telefonica O2-UK Vodafone UK Orange

26-03-2011, 20:27	#19
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by unklesam Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals Telefonica O2-UK Vodafone UK Orange Do you have a 3g phone?

26-03-2011, 20:50	#20
plymouthbloke1974 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Destination: Hard Brexit Posts: 6,368	Quote: Originally Posted by unklesam Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals Telefonica O2-UK Vodafone UK Orange Most of T-Mobiles masts in NI are being removed and Oranges coverage strengthened in the coming months.

26-03-2011, 21:52	#21
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk Do you have a 3g phone? Yes a 3GS and a Galaxy S

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What happened to the orange tmobile 3G share?

27-03-2011, 11:14	#22
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	Quote: Originally Posted by unklesam Its rubbish in N.I, I suppose because there was no One2One over here so less masts. I find with Orange Tmo and 3 its a case of coverage in large towns and cities, where as O2 and Vodafone have signal everywhere. A search now reveals Telefonica O2-UK Vodafone UK Orange I'd probably go with Vodafone then.

29-03-2011, 00:58	#23
furrycheeky Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South East Posts: 561	Its all working where I am, My phone is native Orange, but at several local places it detects that Tmobile is a better choice and I get "UK Orange-Tmobile". All services work as they should and internet connection is just as good. Great benefit to me, living outside a main town there used to be obvious black spots that are now covered.

29-03-2011, 12:30	#24
goodkarma Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 165	dont know if this is relevant, but since the T-mobile and orange merger, i have noticed that my network and 3g coverage is worse off. It was better when it was only orange. Basically i come out of my local tube station and check the bus timetable on the Buss app on my iphone 3g to see how long the buss will be. since the tmobile and orange merger i regulary get no service when i come out of the tube station and when i do get network its not 3g, so the buss app dont work. very dissapointed with this degradation of service

30-03-2011, 15:35	#25
plymouthbloke1974 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Destination: Hard Brexit Posts: 6,368	3G network share was planned for 1st week in May. Just heard it's been postponed.