[The Lord Lucan]

I think Plymouth even said they abandoned ideas about decommissioning sites due to the Share.

If signal is getting worse it could be as i've stated before that the mast is oversubscribed i.e. congestion. When this happens the mast starts reducing the number of people connected sometimes it does this by reducing it's coverage area.

This is why sometimes at night or early morning signal on 3G gets better.

Full monty only accounts for a tiny proportion of TMUK users.

Selling spectrum will not mean less masts either. I would imagine with the extra capacity at the masts they are adding (backhaul) and the technology upgrades they have been doing you might find you will be getting faster speeds soon.

[denyo1977]

I hope so! If I knew it's all just teething problems, upgrade, etc, I could live with it. But at the moment at work it honestly gets unusable. I'm not here to give T-Mobile a bashing, I could leave at any time if I wanted. But it's getting frustrating with the speed caps and bad speeds. Who knows, maybe in a few months I'll be a happy bunny.

[ajh94]

Just wanna ask a question for anyone in the know... In regards to MBNL.... On the OfCom Sitefinder when some masts say 3 UMTS & T-Mobile GSM in the same mast meaning T-Mobile & 3 can use the 3G services from that mast... However I see a lot of mats on there that only say 3 UMTS with no T-Mobile at that site... Does that mean T-Mobile can't use that mast or is it a case of they can but the sitefinder just wasn't updated to show T-Mobile on that mast?

Because I also heard somewhere a few months ago that Everything Everywhere do not provide information to the sitefinder anymore? Is that correct?

Thanks

[reclusive46]

Originally Posted by ajh94

Just wanna ask a question for anyone in the know... In regards to MBNL.... On the OfCom Sitefinder when some masts say 3 UMTS & T-Mobile GSM in the same mast meaning T-Mobile & 3 can use the 3G services from that mast... However I see a lot of mats on there that only say 3 UMTS with no T-Mobile at that site... Does that mean T-Mobile can't use that mast or is it a case of they can but the sitefinder just wasn't updated to show T-Mobile on that mast?

Because I also heard somewhere a few months ago that Everything Everywhere do not provide information to the sitefinder anymore? Is that correct?

Thanks

Thats correct. T-Mobile haven't supplied info to sitefinder for years.

[ajh94]

Originally Posted by reclusive46

Thats correct. T-Mobile haven't supplied info to sitefinder for years.

Ah okay cheers! So masts on there that only say " 3 UMTS" are used by T-Mobile too?

[lost boy]

Originally Posted by ajh94

Just wanna ask a question for anyone in the know... In regards to MBNL.... On the OfCom Sitefinder when some masts say 3 UMTS & T-Mobile GSM in the same mast meaning T-Mobile & 3 can use the 3G services from that mast... However I see a lot of mats on there that only say 3 UMTS with no T-Mobile at that site... Does that mean T-Mobile can't use that mast or is it a case of they can but the sitefinder just wasn't updated to show T-Mobile on that mast?

Because I also heard somewhere a few months ago that Everything Everywhere do not provide information to the sitefinder anymore? Is that correct?

Thanks

Honest answer - it could be either. T-Mobile haven't updated sitefinder since ~2005 and Orange haven't updated sitefinder for about two years now.

Entertainingly there's a mast here that used to be T-Mobile only, it was MBNL'd and duly started to provide Three's signal as well, but somewhere down the line T-Mobile have switched their signal from it off and it is now Three only - sitefinder says T-Mobile is still on it however, which is "informative".

[ajh94]

Originally Posted by lost boy

Honest answer - it could be either. T-Mobile haven't updated sitefinder since ~2005 and Orange haven't updated sitefinder for about two years now.

Entertainingly there's a mast here that used to be T-Mobile only, it was MBNL'd and duly started to provide Three's signal as well, but somewhere down the line T-Mobile have switched their signal from it off and it is now Three only - sitefinder says T-Mobile is still on it however, which is "informative".

Okay but surely most masts are shared? Would I be correct in thinking most 3 masts (and the ones on sitefinder) are shared with T-Mobile too?

[lost boy]

Originally Posted by ajh94

Okay but surely most masts are shared? Would I be correct in thinking most 3 masts (and the ones on sitefinder) are shared with T-Mobile too?

Most? Yes, otherwise it makes a mockery of the MBNL sharing setup really IMHO.

Thinking wise all of Three's masts are on sitefinder (as Three does update it) and many of those masts are shared with T-Mobile, so yes you'd be correct I'd say.

[louisg]

Why have Tmobile and Orange stopped sharing there mast information?

[Daveoc64]

Originally Posted by louisg

Why have Tmobile and Orange stopped sharing there mast information?

The idea of the Ofcom Sitefinder site was to allow the general public to see where cell sites were located for "health reasons".

T-Mobile believed that it had no legal obligation to supply this data, and didn't feel that participating in the site would be good for them in the long run.

When Orange and T-Mobile merged to form "Everything Everywhere", the merged company continued T-Mobile's policy and have not supplied information about Orange cell sites to Ofcom since.

[ajh94]

Thanks for the Info

[louisg]

Originally Posted by Daveoc64

The idea of the Ofcom Sitefinder site was to allow the general public to see where cell sites were located for "health reasons".

T-Mobile believed that it had no legal obligation to supply this data, and didn't feel that participating in the site would be good for them in the long run.

When Orange and T-Mobile merged to form "Everything Everywhere", the merged company continued T-Mobile's policy and have not supplied information about Orange cell sites to Ofcom since.

Thanks for info.

[The Lord Lucan]

Originally Posted by lost boy

Honest answer - it could be either. T-Mobile haven't updated sitefinder since ~2005 and Orange haven't updated sitefinder for about two years now.

Entertainingly there's a mast here that used to be T-Mobile only, it was MBNL'd and duly started to provide Three's signal as well, but somewhere down the line T-Mobile have switched their signal from it off and it is now Three only - sitefinder says T-Mobile is still on it however, which is "informative".

How do you know it's been switched off?

[wavejockglw]

Not everyone seems happy with the consolodation of the Orange and T-Mobile networks as MVNO Vectone lauches legal action to prevent EE decommisioning further T-Mobile sites.

http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2012/...-ee-mast-cull/

[denyo1977]

So Lord Lucan, they aren't switching off masts then?!

[ajh94]

So am I right then? Are most Three masts shared with MBNL?

[Daveoc64]

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

Not everyone seems happy with the consolodation of the Orange and T-Mobile networks as MVNO Vectone lauches legal action to prevent EE decommisioning further T-Mobile sites.

http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2012/...-ee-mast-cull/

Interesting.

This should be a good source of information on exactly what has been switched off.

[Daveoc64]

Originally Posted by ajh94

So am I right then? Are most Three masts shared with MBNL?

Quite honestly, I don't think anyone knows.

There have been so many mixed reports - even from the companies themselves.

[lost boy]

Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

How do you know it's been switched off?

Because T-Mobile admitted it. Even their coverage map has been updated accordingly, showing a nice patch of variable coverage where there used to be 'very good' coverage.

[plymouthbloke1974]

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

Not everyone seems happy with the consolodation of the Orange and T-Mobile networks as MVNO Vectone lauches legal action to prevent EE decommisioning further T-Mobile sites.

http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2012/...-ee-mast-cull/

I was made aware of this the other day. Their user experience should be the same as EE customers, which is odd.

[lost boy]

Originally Posted by plymouthbloke1974

I was made aware of this the other day. Their user experience should be the same as EE customers, which is odd.

Would it make any difference that their sims roam on T-Mobile's network as opposed to operating on it directly (like Virgin Mobile, Family mobile etc.) do?

[plymouthbloke1974]

Originally Posted by lost boy

Would it make any difference that their sims roam on T-Mobile's network as opposed to operating on it directly (like Virgin Mobile, Family mobile etc.) do?

That may be the reason, and would only allow access to T-Mobile, unless they also negotiated a separate deal with Orange.

I'd rather not speculate any more than that at present.

[ajh94]

Originally Posted by Daveoc64

Quite honestly, I don't think anyone knows.

There have been so many mixed reports - even from the companies themselves.

But surely they would share most of them otherwise it defeats the object of MBNL as lost boy said here right?:

Originally Posted by lost boy

Most? Yes, otherwise it makes a mockery of the MBNL sharing setup really IMHO.

Thinking wise all of Three's masts are on sitefinder (as Three does update it) and many of those masts are shared with T-Mobile, so yes you'd be correct I'd say.

Plymouthbloke, do you know if most 3 masts are shared with MBNL?

[wavejockglw]

MBNL claim that they operate a RAN for both T-Mobile and 3 and that it has been fully consolodated since 2010.

[ajh94]

So pretty much all are shared and signal for 3G on T-Mobile and 3 should be pretty Much the same right? Maybe a little more for T-Mobile as they have access to oranges network too..??