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Old 01-04-2011, 21:18
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My new TV is DNLA Ready and my son wants a reason to test his new supply of Cat6..
I have started to record in HD after more than ayear and the drives are filling up..
As to being a Leader..It costs..
Seemingly even Panasonic dropped off when they forecast incorrectly the Freeview Technical system that the UK were to use..

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Old 01-04-2011, 21:30
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Not any more...
If you mean the new Samsung from reading the thread in this forum it certainly is not anything like as versatile as the Foxsat.
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Old 01-04-2011, 23:05
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If you mean the new Samsung from reading the thread in this forum it certainly is not anything like as versatile as the Foxsat.
Maybe not, but it would appear that it has less bugs!
I simply cannot accept that the Live Pause functionality still hasn't been fixed. So what, if it was a "design" decision - it's broken, pure and simple.
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:16
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Maybe not, but it would appear that it has less bugs!
I simply cannot accept that the Live Pause functionality still hasn't been fixed. So what, if it was a "design" decision - it's broken, pure and simple.
Plus, not everyone even wants the versatility.

I bought a PVR because I wanted a PVR, not because I wanted an iplayer or a media streamer.

The fact that Humax have been incompetently failing to fix all the annoyances that affect the PVR as a PVR (together with their lollygagging approach to updates) is what has reduced their credibility in my eyes.

When the time comes to replace my current box Humax will not be at the top of the list. Yet if they had had one of their bods spend just a few days sorting out the trivial UI niggles they almost certainly would have been.
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:47
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Plus, not everyone even wants the versatility.

I bought a PVR because I wanted a PVR, not because I wanted an iplayer or a media streamer.

The fact that Humax have been incompetently failing to fix all the annoyances that affect the PVR as a PVR (together with their lollygagging approach to updates) is what has reduced their credibility in my eyes.

When the time comes to replace my current box Humax will not be at the top of the list. Yet if they had had one of their bods spend just a few days sorting out the trivial UI niggles they almost certainly would have been.
Hi Jepson,
Just out of curiousity,what would be at the top of your list,Humax aside?I have been following the thread for the new Samsung S-7800,but apparently there seem to be issues with that too.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:01
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Hi Jepson,
Just out of curiousity,what would be at the top of your list,Humax aside?I have been following the thread for the new Samsung S-7800,but apparently there seem to be issues with that too.
Indeed, even if the S-7800 was bug free which it is not, I would not say it is a upgrade path from the HDR unless you really want the non Freesat+ related features.

Also of course no way to get your recordings off the drive

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Old 02-04-2011, 09:03
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Maybe not, but it would appear that it has less bugs!
I simply cannot accept that the Live Pause functionality still hasn't been fixed. So what, if it was a "design" decision - it's broken, pure and simple.
Series recording appears seriously flawed

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=
49151616&postcount=152

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=162

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=169

There looks to be no manual padding or manual timers, ongoing recordings do not appear until complete (what about chasing playback)

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=160

It's early days but it's already clear compared to the initial hdr launch it's full of bugs.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:08
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Hi Jepson,
Just out of curiousity,what would be at the top of your list,Humax aside?I have been following the thread for the new Samsung S-7800,but apparently there seem to be issues with that too.
Well, I must admit that I'm assuming there will be a little more choice by the time I replace my box. I hope to get a couple of years more use out of it.

What I should have said is that Humax would no longer be guaranteed a place at the top of the list which they would have been had they acted a little more professionally about some of the bugs and niggles with the current box.

As to the 'issues' with the Samsung, we'll have to see how responsive they are when if comes to correcting these. You also have to beware of the Humax 'fanbois' who do tend to overplay problems on other manufacturer's devices.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:37
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Well, I must admit that I'm assuming there will be a little more choice by the time I replace my box. I hope to get a couple of years more use out of it.

What I should have said is that Humax would no longer be guaranteed a place at the top of the list which they would have been had they acted a little more professionally about some of the bugs and niggles with the current box.

As to the 'issues' with the Samsung, we'll have to see how responsive they are when if comes to correcting these. You also have to beware of the Humax 'fanbois' who do tend to overplay problems on other manufacturer's devices.
Thanks,I agree with you.I must also admit to having been a big fan of Humax in the past(but like to keep an open mind about other equipment)but I must agree they have been letting their customer base down for sometime now.
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:07
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Thanks,I agree with you.I must also admit to having been a big fan of Humax in the past(but like to keep an open mind about other equipment)but I must agree they have been letting their customer base down for sometime now.
Yes, I still think it's an excellent product and I haven't regretted buying it for an instant.

I don't dwell on the niggles when I'm actually using it.

It's just that having been involved with UI design professionally over very many years the utter brainlessness* of some of the Humax UI quirks are infuriating and the fact that they would have been trivial to correct (and they've have three opportunities to do so) make it all the worse.


* The missing 8x FF/FR is quite astounding because someone must have actually put real programming effort into doing that.
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:18
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Having bought the foxsat hdr a couple of months ago, I've been following the dialogue on the Samsung, and although there are one or two would-be-nice-to-have features, I'm happy enough to live with the Humax, it's a decent device. It's just so frustrating that they have no interest at all in looking after their customers and fixing a few of the headline niggles that I and many others here have found. And the sad thing is that that's probably the end of it, with the Samsung out, they'll probably be upping the effort to get a mk2 to market, and ignoring the mk1 totally. That said, how would we notice the difference?
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:24
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* The missing 8x FF/FR is quite astounding because someone must have actually put real programming effort into doing that.
I can't understand how this came about and why no effort has been made to correct it !!
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Old 02-04-2011, 13:27
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It's early days but it's already clear compared to the initial hdr launch it's full of bugs.
The initial HDR release was so unstable that I eventually just turned it off. That issue was solved in the second (?) update and it has been stable since then.

How quickly the Samsung bugs are fixed will allow an informative comparison with the Humax (lack of) effort.
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Old 02-04-2011, 13:41
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The initial HDR release was so unstable that I eventually just turned it off. That issue was solved in the second (?) update and it has been stable since then.

How quickly the Samsung bugs are fixed will allow an informative comparison with the Humax (lack of) effort.
I had one of the very first batch of hdrs, ordered pre release and delivered late October 2008. On install the firmware upgraded to V02, I had no problems at all. The next update to V03 made no noticeable difference at all making only minor changes. The main change was the solution to OTA upgrades not working when using a single cable connection.

Release Notes

- Includes Improved Over The Air (OTA) download support.
- Allows future Foxsat-HD and Foxsat-HDR OTA downloads to be broadcast simultaneously.
- ITV HD recording improvements.
- Resolved OAD failure when using 1 satellite feed.
- Resolved listings on Customisable channels.

The next change was to V11 which amongst a lot of changes added support for BBCi player, the first Freesat box to do so.
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:12
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I had one of the very first batch of hdrs, ordered pre release and delivered late October 2008.
2008 for the HDR?
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:18
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2008 for the HDR?
Yes Autumn 2008 the Foxsat HDR was launched.
Iv'e had mine since November 2008.
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:23
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2008 for the HDR?
I upgraded the HDD in my HDR to 1TB in November 2008 (it's actually externally mounted).
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:45
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Yes Autumn 2008 the Foxsat HDR was launched.
Iv'e had mine since November 2008.
Yes, I thought they came out in late November.

I was just surprised Graham had his in late October 2008.
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:51
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Yes, I thought they came out in late November.

I was just surprised Graham had his in late October 2008.
Is it possible those who pre ordered got them earlier?
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:51
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Yes, I thought they came out in late November.

I was just surprised Graham had his in late October 2008.
I can't remember the exact date except it was late in the month. They were as rare as hens teeth till around the middle to end of November though. Some may remember a shipment of them was stolen from a lorry at about this time.

If we still had the Hummy.org database it would have been possible to dredge up exact dates, not that it matters very much.
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Old 02-04-2011, 15:04
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I bought mine on 15 Dec 2008 from Dixsons online for £261.44
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Old 02-04-2011, 15:12
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Is it possible those who pre ordered got them earlier?
The online dealer from whom I ordered stopped taking orders after they had allocated the first batch they were due to get.

Again from memory I was around the mid 20's in the queue.

If I remember correctly a few made it to high street retail outlets in time for Christmas, they did not last long when posters said so and so has some at xxxx. I still have the original 320GB drive, if I have time i will stick it in a cradle and look what the earliest recording is that remains on the drive.
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Old 02-04-2011, 15:29
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* The missing 8x FF/FR is quite astounding because someone must have actually put real programming effort into doing that.
Without knowing the hardware architecture, the memory limitations and the ability of the programmers concerned that is a groundless statement.

TBH I do not see that as a major omission given that there at least two other ways of achieving the same result for the user.

I agree the UI, like all Humax kit is very rudimentary and seemingly not the work of an expert in the field.
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Old 02-04-2011, 16:30
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Without knowing the hardware architecture, the memory limitations and the ability of the programmers concerned that is a groundless statement.
I'm afraid that statement merely demonstrates your complete lack of understanding about how something like a PVR and its UI work

The hardware architecture and the memory limitations are completely irrelevant to this aspect of its behaviour and the ability of the programmers is unlikely to be an issue since the incorrect behaviour is actually harder to achieve than the correct.

This is what the function should look like:

Code:
Function FFButton
   Speed = Speed * 2
   if ( Speed > 64 )
      Speed = 1
End
Whereas they must have programmed it something like this:

Code:
Function FFButton
   Speed = Speed * 2
   if ( Speed = 8 )
      Speed = 16
   elseif ( Speed > 64 )
      Speed = 1
End
An extra two lines of code to foul up that aspect of the UI.


TBH I do not see that as a major omission given that there at least two other ways of achieving the same result for the user.
I don't think anyone has said it's a major omission.

It is, however, a piece of design stupidity which is made worse by the fact that someone had to go to some positive effort to make it do that.
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Old 02-04-2011, 19:43
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This is what the function should look like:
Which just goes to show you have no idea how this was actually coded. The algorithmic approach is not the only way to skin this particular cat. Do you even know if it was coded in a high-level language and if so what effect changes would have on memory usage for this hardware architecture?
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