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Old 30-03-2011, 15:43
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Overall, I'm loving Corrie right now. The majority of the storylines have me hooked, the character interaction has improved immensely, episodes are pacy and there's a balance between drama and humour. PC has done a terrific job in the past year and I'm hoping that this will be recognised at the BSA in May.

However, no soap producer's reign is without its faults and PC, in my opinion, does have some like every other producer:

- Tracy's Christmas Return: badly handled, OTT, pantomine and the character was just being nasty to all those around her for the sake of it. Since then, Tracy's move to the Rovers has worked in her favour, but her initial return in December was simply dreadful with cliched and unrealistic writing.:yawn:

- The introduction of Xin: this character has been about as interesting as soggy newspaper. I would have preferred a Chinese character, who is actually quite successful, to have been introduced. Xin's visa trouble and threatened deportation is terribly cliched stuff and so far, she has just served as a two-dimensional plot device.:yawn::yawn:

- Frank and Maria Plot: this storyline sounded really promising on paper but just turned into a damp squib due to uninspired writing and the 'rape' just coming off on screen as looking like a clumsy misunderstanding.

Do you think that PC has made other mistakes since he took the helm?
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Old 30-03-2011, 15:52
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Overall, I'm loving Corrie right now. The majority of the storylines have me hooked, the character interaction has improved immensely, episodes are pacy and there's a balance between drama and humour. PC has done a terrific job in the past year and I'm hoping that this will be recognised at the BSA in May.

However, no soap producer's reign is without its faults and PC, in my opinion, does have some like every other producer:

- Tracy's Christmas Return: badly handled, OTT, pantomine and the character was just being nasty to all those around her for the sake of it. Since then, Tracy's move to the Rovers has worked in her favour, but her initial return in December was simply dreadful with cliched and unrealistic writing.:yawn:

- The introduction of Xin: this character has been about as interesting as soggy newspaper. I would have preferred a Chinese character, who is actually quite successful, to have been introduced. Xin's visa trouble and threatened deportation is terribly cliched stuff and so far, she has just served as a two-dimensional plot device.:yawn::yawn:

- Frank and Maria Plot: this storyline sounded really promising on paper but just turned into a damp squib due to uninspired writing and the 'rape' just coming off on screen as looking like a clumsy misunderstanding.

Do you think that PC has made other mistakes since he took the helm?
Give her a chance, for now she is a plot device, as was Julie's mum and the mortons but then people grew to love the characters. Once the Graham plot is over I am sure they will do more with her.

And their is a lot more to come from the Frank Maria and Carla storyline if spoilers are anything to go by.

I won't go on defending but I think Phil Collison has done really well as you say. The only mistake I can see is that he is going to give Sean more screen time come Easter than is deserved. I might not be able to forgive him.
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Old 30-03-2011, 15:54
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Agree with all this, plus the axing of Eddie.
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Old 30-03-2011, 15:57
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Bring back TracyLuv, axing Natasha (although her exit was good) and introducing Charlie Xin :sleep: are the main ones. Also, there is far too much focus on Becky for my liking. Oh, and I really dislike Faye.
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Old 30-03-2011, 15:59
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I'd agree on Tracy's return and Xin. I also think the decision to axe Trevor was hasty as I think more could have been done with the character and he seemed to be beginning to integrate with the other male characters around his age.

For me his biggest mistake has been the decision to axe Eddie. Corrie has needed a loveable rogue since Jack left and I think Eddie is the closest to that. Yes he's an idiot, but he's an idiot with a heart of gold and a good laugh.

Overall though I think he's been superb, not just with the tram crash but with the stories that have come out of it- Peter's struggle with being in a wheelchair, the war of the Websters, Claire doing a runner with the help of half the street. Also thought Gary's PTSD was brilliantly handled
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Old 30-03-2011, 16:55
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Frank and Maria Plot: this storyline sounded really promising on paper but just turned into a damp squib due to uninspired writing and the 'rape' just coming off on screen as looking like a clumsy misunderstanding.

Do you think that PC has made other mistakes since he took the helm?
I think you've been too quick to judge here- so far I'm really enjoying this storyline. It's a slow burner, but all the best plots are. Frank is worming his way into the Street and is interacting with alot more characters ( Tracy, Chris, Gail...). Samia Smith has also shone in this plot aswell. So far for this plot, so good.

I hated Tracys return week- so badly written and the character and actress suffered as a result. To much emphasis on what a "super bitch" Tracy is that the writers totally alienated the audience. A poor week for Coronation Street then.

Xin is the only newcomer who has disappointed, but her and the plot have improved over time. Frank, Faye, Tommy and Jeff have all been good additions in my eyes.

Axing Natasha was sad, but I loved her exit storyline.

Overall, Collinson has been fantastic at Coronation Street and has really made it the #1 soap again.
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Old 30-03-2011, 17:07
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Not sure how long PC's been running the show but it seems a lot more pacey than it used to be without losing characterisation.

I had stopped watching it quite a few years ago but started watching because of the John Stape/Colin Fishwick storyline.

I agree with the majority that the Graeme/Xin plot is deathly dull, but Tina and Graeme don't particularly interest,me. I find Graeme far too accomodating, no matter how irrational Tina's demands are ( a bit like Steve MacDonald) The women seem to rule the roost in the street.

Overall I think it's an improvement on the slower paced storylines of previous years.
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Old 30-03-2011, 17:11
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Bringing Tracy back

Graham/Xin

Predictable deaths in the tram crash

Dr Fit being so under-used

Same old, same old with Steve and Becky
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Old 30-03-2011, 17:58
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Axing Eddie Windass is a big mistake, I dont get it why characters like that are axed when the likes of Dev, Sunita, Kirk etc are kept on. The Windasses (IMO) are one of the best families, and will be a shame to see Eddie go.

I didnt like it when Tracy returned, but I kinda find her tolerable now, like her a lot more than Becky I have to admit.
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Old 30-03-2011, 17:59
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Bring back TracyLuv, axing Natasha (although her exit was good) and introducing Charlie Xin :sleep: are the main ones. Also, there is far too much focus on Becky for my liking. Oh, and I really dislike Faye.
What does the "Luv" bit on the end of her name mean? Seen it alot but never understood it.
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Old 30-03-2011, 18:19
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What does the "Luv" bit on the end of her name mean? Seen it alot but never understood it.
I think its do with how deirdre always refers to her daughter Tracey as "Ohh Tracey luv" whenever she gets up to something bad or dispicible!!

I agree with the comments about Xin and Graham and the sham marraige story it does all seemed very contrived.
Loving his work though apart from that.
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Old 30-03-2011, 19:07
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Bringing Tracy back

Graham/Xin

Predictable deaths in the tram crash

Dr Fit being so under-used
Same old, same old with Steve and Becky
I've heard someone saying that he's gonna have a part to play in Fiz and John's ongoing storyline.
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Old 30-03-2011, 19:35
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- Frank and Maria Plot: this storyline sounded really promising on paper but just turned into a damp squib due to uninspired writing and the 'rape' just coming off on screen as looking like a clumsy misunderstanding.

Do you think that PC has made other mistakes since he took the helm?
I agree with CharlieStubbs, but i have to say that i would have agreed with you, had i not seen monday's episodes. I say that because, i am now truly unsure of Frank's motives now that he has almost forced Carla into going down to London for that textile meeting thus leaving him and Maria on their own...I guess now i just have no idea what to expect with this storyline.

I would say that PC's biggest mistake has to be the axeing of Steve Huison. I wish we knew what had triggered it because Steve was hardly Bruce Jones in his off screen antics and the Windasses had gained a huge turnaround in public opinion. I am to this day baffled.
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Old 30-03-2011, 21:13
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I don't know whether it's his fault or Kim Crowther's, but the Becky McDonald overdose has got to stop.

Axing Eddie Windass was a mistake as the Windasses are such a strong family unit.

I also find Cheryl and her son annoying. I just can't warm to them.

And I found the Peter/Leanne/Nick storyline long-winded and dull.

On the plus side, am loving Claudia Colby. I adore Sue Nicholls and anything that gives her more screen time is fine with me.
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Old 30-03-2011, 21:42
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Give her a chance, for now she is a plot device, as was Julie's mum and the mortons but then people grew to love the characters. Once the Graham plot is over I am sure they will do more with her.
And their is a lot more to come from the Frank Maria and Carla storyline if spoilers are anything to go by.

I won't go on defending but I think Phil Collison has done really well as you say. The only mistake I can see is that he is going to give Sean more screen time come Easter than is deserved. I might not be able to forgive him.
Doubt it, if Graeme's going they're hardly going to keep Xin on.
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Old 30-03-2011, 22:21
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I think he's done the best he could do with Tracy's return. She was contracted to come back before Phil came in so he can't really be blamed for that.
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Old 30-03-2011, 22:23
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I think he's done the best he could do with Tracy's return. She was contracted to come back before Phil came in so he can't really be blamed for that.
I actually like Tracy now, both character and actress have come on in leaps and bounds recently. She is actually quite a funny character.
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Old 30-03-2011, 22:27
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I actually like Tracy now, both character and actress have come on in leaps and bounds recently. She is actually quite a funny character.
I agree. I still think it was unforgivable to turn the character into a murderer but you know, I still like her as a character. She gets some great lines.
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Old 31-03-2011, 11:21
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I've been loving Corrie more and more since PC took over, regardless of the less believable storylines, of which Xin is the most ridiculous.

Not keen on some new characters, like Cheryl and her ex, particular the latter who so far has been useless (or at least underused).

One trick I think he's missed is the chance to split up Steve and Becky.

And then, of course, the demise of the great John Stape (if it happens, please no) will be a HUGE mistake.
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Old 31-03-2011, 16:44
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I don't know whether it's his fault or Kim Crowther's, but the Becky McDonald overdose has got to stop.

Axing Eddie Windass was a mistake as the Windasses are such a strong family unit.

I also find Cheryl and her son annoying. I just can't warm to them.

And I found the Peter/Leanne/Nick storyline long-winded and dull.

On the plus side, am loving Claudia Colby. I adore Sue Nicholls and anything that gives her more screen time is fine with me.
I loved the love square storyline, even though it did involve the Godawful Nick. Jane Danson, Alison King and Chris Gascoyne shone IMO.
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Old 31-03-2011, 16:49
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Predictable but I'm another in the 'bringing back Tracy' camp.

I think he's done the best he could do with Tracy's return. She was contracted to come back before Phil came in so he can't really be blamed for that.
I've seen this mentioned a few times. Has it been confirmed? Otherwise it's merely speculation.

She returned almost a year after appearing for Blanche's funeral. Would she really have been under contract for all of that time?

And only recently it was revealed that KF had signed an extension on her contract when initially it looked like she was only going to be around for a few months so clearly he* wants her there and isn't just stuck with her because of Crowther.

As for doing the best he could with her return. They could have always continued to use her in prison based storylines and scenes; rather than make a mockery of the whole Charlie murder which was a big storyline at the time. They appear to be implying that it was only a minor storyline with much of the events happening off screen the way it's been written.

* = Phil.
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Old 31-03-2011, 16:50
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I also agree with those who find the overuse of Becky tedious.
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Old 31-03-2011, 17:17
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Predictable but I'm another in the 'bringing back Tracy' camp.

I've seen this mentioned a few times. Has it been confirmed? Otherwise it's merely speculation.

She returned almost a year after appearing for Blanche's funeral. Would she really have been under contract for all of that time?

And only recently it was revealed that KF had signed an extension on her contract when initially it looked like she was only going to be around for a few months so clearly he* wants her there and isn't just stuck with her because of Crowther.

As for doing the best he could with her return. They could have always continued to use her in prison based storylines and scenes; rather than make a mockery of the whole Charlie murder which was a big storyline at the time. They appear to be implying that it was only a minor storyline with much of the events happening off screen the way it's been written.

* = Phil.
The Tracy story appeared on ITV.com last Feb/March stating that Tracy would return in March, then later in 2010, Phil started in May
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Old 31-03-2011, 17:33
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I think you've been too quick to judge here- so far I'm really enjoying this storyline. It's a slow burner, but all the best plots are. Frank is worming his way into the Street and is interacting with alot more characters ( Tracy, Chris, Gail...). Samia Smith has also shone in this plot aswell. So far for this plot, so good.

I hated Tracys return week- so badly written and the character and actress suffered as a result. To much emphasis on what a "super bitch" Tracy is that the writers totally alienated the audience. A poor week for Coronation Street then.

Xin is the only newcomer who has disappointed, but her and the plot have improved over time. Frank, Faye, Tommy and Jeff have all been good additions in my eyes.

Axing Natasha was sad, but I loved her exit storyline.

Overall, Collinson has been fantastic at Coronation Street and has really made it the #1 soap again.
Excellent post, nothing more to add.
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Old 31-03-2011, 17:52
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Excellent post, nothing more to add.
Thank you

I would say there has only been 2 major mistakes so far in his reign: Axing Eddie and the Xin plot. Not bad considering the state of the show when he got it!
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