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BGT did very well. The new panel appear to have been a success though it also seems the "talent" wasnt up to much. Next weeks figure will be interesting, it seems it has peaked in terms of growth unless there is some kind of drama attached to future shows.
Cowell gone from BGT now also gone from UK XF according to Peter Fincham, at least as a judge. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s103/...-cut-down.html |
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Maybe it was the round before that then. I distinctly remember a Saturday teatime football match on ITV1 peaking at 9.8m, as I predicted a 10m+ peak and was surprised it came in just below that threshold. Maybe it was the absolute peak, not 5 min peak?
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But you said "all exactly as any sane person would have predicted" and that you expected 6m from SIYC.
But that was never likely, given the scheduling sandwich it was in, and the fact it's the sort of guff ITV's core Saturday night demographic will lap up. So 5.3m was kind of in my field of expectations (the sane camp) than those who thought 3m or less (the "fretting ITVista" camp) |
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What I meant was that some on here have been fretting for the past couple of weeks that SIYC would be a disaster and get 3m viewers, perhaps less.
If the Beeb puts Doctor Who up against it in future weeks, now that might be a different story.
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BGT did very well. The new panel appear to have been a success though it also seems the "talent" wasnt up to much. Next weeks figure will be interesting, it seems it has peaked in terms of growth unless there is some kind of drama attached to future shows.
The holidays would, you would think, depress the ratings over the next 2 holiday weekend Saturdays. I would be surprised, though, if it didn't rate generally in line with 2010, as nothing has fundamentally changed. And like I said before, the absence of Cowell may cause some to tune in for the first time. |
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How did BGT rise from 4m to eventual 10m?
Check out the overnight ratings below: Sat June 9th Ep 1 - 4.9m (23%) vs BBC1's Any Dream Will Do 6.6m and Casualty 6m. Sun June 10th Ep 2 - 6.4m (28%) vs BBC1's The Chase 4m and BBC2's Coast 4.2m. Mon June 11th Ep 3 - 6.9m (33%) vs BBC1's New Tricks rpt 5.2m. Tue June 12th Ep 4 - 6.8m (29%) vs BBC1's Lenny's Britain 2.6m, C4's F-Word 2.9m, BBC2's History of Britain 3.2m, C5's CSI 2.6m. Wed June 13th Ep 5 - 7.1m (29%) vs BBC1's The Apprentice final 6.8m. Thur June 14th Ep 6 - 7.9m (34%) vs BBC1's Dalziel and Pascoe 5.2m. Fri June 15th Ep 7 - 8.9m (38%) vs BBC1's Dalziel and Pascoe 4.4m and C4's Big Bro 3.1m & 3m. Sat June 16th Ep 8 - 8.9m (41%) vs BBC1's Casualty 4.8m Sun June 17h Ep 9 - 11m (44%), results show 10.6m (45%) |
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I think ITV1 seem to be getting it right. Five years ago they could only look to Coronation St and Emmerdale for big ratings most of the year and at one stage in the summer achieved a miserable 11 pc audience share. Moving or cancelling some of the more banal reality junk they were so keen on then must have helped.
If you look at their roster of big hitting shows now, apart from the usual two suspects, there's BGT, TXF, IACGMOOH( fair enough it's been on since 2002 but has staged a comeback after declining in the ratings), Wild At Heart, DOI, Downton Abbey, Whitechapel, Benidorm. The three football contracts have also proved helpful for them and a big match can make their night in the ratings. Although ITV1 is far from perfect, Daybreak has been a flop and there is still a tendency to rely on naff light entertainment like Sing If You Can, at least their decline has stopped and some of the shows are watchable again. |
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Demographic Information for programmes that aired between 9th and 15th April: http://i52.tinypic.com/2cyi3a8.jpg
Have added The Walking Dead and Misbehaving Mums to Be in the 'Others' column this week. |
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SIYC must be the worst programme ever made. Who watches this crap?
Also I see someone (rzt?) posted the drama averages again but is still classing Benidorm as a drama. Can I suggest that rzt maybe finds the time to watch an episode of Benidorm as I'm sure then he wouldn't class it as a drama. |
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Also I see someone (rzt?) posted the drama averages again but is still classing Benidorm as a drama. Can I suggest that rzt maybe finds the time to watch an episode of Benidorm as I'm sure then he wouldn't class it as a drama.
Since series 3 when Benidorm went to a one hour format, the production company who makes the show, Tiger Aspect, have been calling it a 'comedy drama' as stated here on their website (read the first line). The writer, Derren Litten, has also said on his blog/Twitter that he now regards it more of a comedy drama than a sitcom to reflect the way he's adapted the show into the hour slot. ITV has also been using the 'comedy drama' term for the show on screen such as here (they say it near the beginning of the video) and also on their website here (first line), although they have also called it a 'sitcom' from time to time too. So I regard it as one of those 50/50 ones - as I've said previously I can completely understand if people still want to call it a 'sitcom' but as stated above, people associated with the programme have been calling it a 'comedy drama' in the last couple of years and that's why I included it in the drama list. You can ignore it off the list, if you want to. |
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Demographic Information for programmes that aired between 9th and 15th April: http://i52.tinypic.com/2cyi3a8.jpg
Have added The Walking Dead and Misbehaving Mums to Be in the 'Others' column this week. |
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The Mirror saying that Kimberley Walsh is more than likely going to be the new host of the Xtra Factor - hopefully based on some form of presenting talent rather than just being one of Cheryl Cole's mates.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/tv/ne...medium=twitter Also XF related Peter Fincham has told the Mirror that Cowell will not be a 'weekly judge' on this years show. http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-23066483/ BGT - the judges were fine last night - but the talent wasn't and it went more down the route of concentrating on the bad than the good, meaning once again we'll get to the final episode where they suddenly have to squeeze in brief shots of all these acts picked for the live shows we have no idea about. Quote:
Almost a dream schedule for ITV1 last night, so I don't begrudge the ITVistas their day of glory today. They've not had much to get excited about since December.
The Eurovision documentary pretty shocking too - would have done better in a 10.35pm slot perhaps, with the BBC airing the second Total Wipeout celeb edition instead (or a repeat). I do think though it would be good for Eurovision for it to part company with the BBC as I suspect if any of the commercial broadcasters took it over they would really look at making something much bigger out of the selection process. Would be quite funny though if Blue did win it this year - the BBC accountants would be suicidal! |
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I've already replied to you before about it:
Since series 3 when Benidorm went to a one hour format, the production company who makes the show, Tiger Aspect, have been calling it a 'comedy drama' as stated here on their website (read the first line). The writer, Derren Litten, has also said on his blog/Twitter that he now regards it more of a comedy drama than a sitcom to reflect the way he's adapted the show into the hour slot. ITV has also been using the 'comedy drama' term for the show on screen such as here (they say it near the beginning of the video) and also on their website here (first line), although they have also called it a 'sitcom' from time to time too. So I regard it as one of those 50/50 ones - as I've said previously I can completely understand if people still want to call it a 'sitcom' but as stated above, people associated with the programme have been calling it a 'comedy drama' in the last couple of years and that's why I included it in the drama list. You can ignore it off the list, if you want to. I can accept that it's a 'comedy drama' at a stretch but then it still wouldn't fit in with your list. It's so out of place there. I wasn't being rude. I just find it irritating. We might as well place ooh say My Family in with the BBC Dramas or something. If we're doing like for like. If a site labelled 'EastEnders' as a comedy would you then add it into a sitcom list? |
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SIYC must be the worst programme ever made. Who watches this crap?
Also I see someone (rzt?) posted the drama averages again but is still classing Benidorm as a drama. Can I suggest that rzt maybe finds the time to watch an episode of Benidorm as I'm sure then he wouldn't class it as a drama. As for Benidorm, it's a comedy drama. |
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I can accept that it's a 'comedy drama' at a stretch but then it still wouldn't fit in with your list. It's so out of place there.
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I'm sure the papers will be full of manufactured BGT "drama", but ITV's PR dept faces something of a battle with the wedding likely to take up most of the column inches for the foreseeable.
The holidays would, you would think, depress the ratings over the next 2 holiday weekend Saturdays. I would be surprised, though, if it didn't rate generally in line with 2010, as nothing has fundamentally changed. And like I said before, the absence of Cowell may cause some to tune in for the first time. |
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I saw your response but anybody who actually watches the show will tell you that it's definitely not a "drama".
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Sing If You Can seemed to hold pretty well throughout - reading on here I'd have expected it to plummet in the middle.
Good start for BGT, though the real test will be how well it holds onto that audience. Like PJ Millar, I think the 8.20pm start may have actually worked in its favour. And I think the 90 minute episodes work well too - the start always drags the average down but it matters less in the longer episodes. I thought the first episode was pretty good, even if the talent was pretty poor on reflection. McIntyre in particular was excellent and seemed to take over from Cowell in guiding the show and interacting with the contestants, audience and fellow judges (no doubt helped by several years stand up experience!). It seems that the new showrunner for BGT is a former Exec Producer on Strictly Come Dancing. There's a new Series Producer as well. |
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A 'comedy drama' (as it's described by people associated with it) is a type of 'drama', is it not? That's why I put it in the list. I've put other 'comedy dramas' in the list before too. I can understand if you disagree with the inclusion of it in the list, but some people will disagree with your opinion too. If it irritates you so much, just ignore it. I'm not sure why you've got so annoyed about it and what you want me to do? I'm not going to take it off the list just because you say so because of the reasons I've previous given. It's not an 'official' list either - if you want to post a list of your own which has just the programmes that you think should be categorized under 'drama', then by all means do one.
Anyway, I'm agreeing to disagree on this one. You're right that it's no big deal. Except it does bolster ITV's drama list, perhaps unfairly. The nitpicker in me would suggest we balance that out with a popular bbc sitcom to even it up but either way I'm not annoyed by how you've done things. As someone who watches Benidorm and knows what the show is, slightly irked maybe, but no I'm not annoyed. |
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I agree, though I would say that, if there is a problem for BGT its the effect of Susan Boyle. Its very difficult to manufacture that kind of moment again because it kind of hit the ceiling of hype and a peak it will struggle to beat. I think the viewers know that too.
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Another Sunday, another unfounded report on whether Cowell will or will not do The X Factor. Unfortunately the early BGT ratings won't really do anything to sway Simon either way. A difficult position for him - on the one hand he needs his shows to succeed without him, but no the other I suspect he'd like to think they can't.
BGT - the judges were fine last night - but the talent wasn't and it went more down the route of concentrating on the bad than the good, meaning once again we'll get to the final episode where they suddenly have to squeeze in brief shots of all these acts picked for the live shows we have no idea about. Yet no comment on the BBC's performance. SYTYCD was absolutely woeful against a show everybody agree from the moment it was announced was bloody awful. I guess though at least Sing if You Can knows it is crap - SYTYCD, like many things on the BBC, just takes itself far too seriously. On the plus side though they have sorted the studio out and with some slight tweaks it doesn't feel like the stage is a million miles from the audience anymore. The Eurovision documentary pretty shocking too - would have done better in a 10.35pm slot perhaps, with the BBC airing the second Total Wipeout celeb edition instead (or a repeat). I do think though it would be good for Eurovision for it to part company with the BBC as I suspect if any of the commercial broadcasters took it over they would really look at making something much bigger out of the selection process. Would be quite funny though if Blue did win it this year - the BBC accountants would be suicidal! |
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As someone who watches Benidorm and knows what the show is, slightly irked maybe, but no I'm not annoyed.
? Nah but seriously, I also watch Benidorm and agree with ZoeMcCallister that there has been more of a 'drama element' to it in the last couple of series, no question about it. You just have to compare the first couple of series to series 3 and 4 to see that direction has changed a bit from a sitcom to comedy drama. It's not just about it being "less funny" but there's been scenes of people crying, reminiscing about their loved ones and so on which aren't the sort of things you'd have seen in the first couple of series or a traditional sitcom. As you say, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Why is it necessary for Nick Knowles to present both Secret Fortune and Who Dares Wins ? Does he have an exclusive contract to front Lottery game shows ?
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Personally I'd get rid of it on Saturday nights and put it on a Sunday night where it'll be alongside the more reputable Only Way Is Essex.
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I would be surprised, though, if it didn't rate generally in line with 2010, as nothing has fundamentally changed. And like I said before, the absence of Cowell may cause some to tune in for the first time.
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Almost a dream schedule for ITV1 last night, so I don't begrudge the ITVistas their day of glory today. They've not had much to get excited about since December.
All exactly as any sane person would have predicted, unless they're deliberately underplaying expectations. That said, the football only peaked marginally higher than the QF did (which got 9.8m), and BGT overnighted at just below the important 10m barrier; it also peaked (again, just) below the 11m mark. But clearly it will get an official rating well over 10.5m. I don't buy the "no Simon" nonsense - as if the viewing millions really give a toss about the judges - they tune in for the dancing dogs and stupid/fat/ugly/talentless (delete as applicable) people making complete arses of themselves. SIYC entirely in line with expectations - perhaps it would have got the c6m I expected had the football peaked higher and more tuned in for BGT (or "BGDDAS/F/U/TPMCAOT" as I put it...). I fear this show could be around for some time - don't overlook the motto: "Don't matter how shit, if it's a hit"... ![]() |
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I thought you'd stopped watching Benidorm cos it wasn't funny anymore
? Nah but seriously, I also watch Benidorm and agree with ZoeMcCallister that there has been more of a 'drama element' to it in the last couple of series, no question about it. You just have to compare the first couple of series to series 3 and 4 to see that direction has changed a bit from a sitcom to comedy drama. It's not just about it being "less funny" but there's been scenes of people crying, reminiscing about their loved ones and so on which aren't the sort of things you'd have seen in the first couple of series or a traditional sitcom. As you say, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. ).
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? Nah but seriously, I also watch Benidorm and agree with ZoeMcCallister that there has been more of a 'drama element' to it in the last couple of series, no question about it. You just have to compare the first couple of series to series 3 and 4 to see that direction has changed a bit from a sitcom to comedy drama. It's not just about it being "less funny" but there's been scenes of people crying, reminiscing about their loved ones and so on which aren't the sort of things you'd have seen in the first couple of series or a traditional sitcom. As you say, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.


