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The Ratings Thread (Part 19)
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rzt
01-05-2011
That's a disappointing rating for Doctor Who - down over a million from last week and 7 share points. It's DW's 5th lowest overnight rating since coming back in 2005. No doubt it'll timeshift a lot but still was hoping it'd have been closer to 6m. It's a shame they won't switch it around with SYTYCD, which is flopping badly and is not compatible or benefiting from DW at all. Don't Scare the Hare rated very poorly too. Relatively speaking, Who Dares Wins held up well against BGT. Casualty is still a couple of share points lower than I think it should be doing but the poor lead-in won't be helping.

Poor rating for People Do The Funniest Things, You've Been Framed holds up much better than that against Doctor Who usually. Sing if You Can low too and just shows if shows aren't worth watching, people will avoid them, even if the opposition is poor and there's a big show after it. As steady as a rock for Britain's Got Talent, given that there was barely any press coverage for it this week I think they'll be pretty pleased with that figure. I expected Life Stories to rate better than that, although going by past form it hasn't done well when politicians are on. I can see the John Prescott episode rating quite badly in a few weeks time.
derek500
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“So not many people saying "Oh no, I've missed Sing If You Can. No, wait, it's on now on ITV1+1. Phew!"

”

Still a lot of people who haven't discovered ITV1+1 yet.

ITV are still regularly Tweeting its existence and where to find it.
Score
01-05-2011
Disappointing for Doctor Who. 5.4m is a good rating for the slot but the drop from last week is a little alarming. They need to move it to 7:15pm with SYTYCD before it. Don't Scare The Hare did abysmally, although Who Dares Wins did quite well against BGT. Casualty is being dragged down by the lead in. Sing If You Can is flopping badly but at least managed to narrowly win the slot. Funniest Things did terribly against Doctor Who though. I thought it would do much better than that. Great rating for BGT though considering how everything else did. I thought it would be down again but it was solid. Disappointing for Life Stories. Looks like people weren't really interested in Widdecombe's life story and just enjoyed her in Strictly. I agree with rzt that the John Prescott episode will do badly (especially as it looks like it'll be on Eurovision night). The Hoff should do well next week with the BGT connection though. Not sure how the final episode in the series with Des O'Connor will do though, but the guests overall this series haven't been as good ratings-wise as the last series.
nick202
01-05-2011
Dr Who deserved more last night - I watched it for the first time in about a year last night and it's got me hooked again, such was the quality of the episode.
RobbieSykes123
01-05-2011
Suprised BGT only managed a tiny 0.07m bounceback after last week's low, considering both the heatwave and the school holidays are over, and with the flag waving/national good feeling you would think also giving a show like BGT a lift.

Maybe "Britain's Gone Off Talent"?

Shocking for DW but not unexpected. Not sure there's any more to be said about this scheduling insanity that hasn't been said already.
RobbieSykes123
01-05-2011
In a wedding coverage postscript I see in the papers today that ITV is facing a telling off from the Westminster Abbey authorities for airing the cartwheeling verger, in breach of an agreement that the cameras stopped rolling after the ceremony.

Naughty if true...
garyessex
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Suprised BGT only managed a tiny 0.07m bounceback after last week's low, considering both the heatwave and the school holidays are over, and with the flag waving/national good feeling you would think also giving a show like BGT a lift.

Maybe "Britain's Gone Off Talent"?

Shocking for DW but not unexpected. Not sure there's any more to be said about this scheduling insanity that hasn't been said already.”

I think it may drop below 9 million next week. Last night was my last show it was SO DULL. A child with a snake around her neck reciting a poem probably her mum wrote isn't relly talent, alot of people seemed critical on FB and Twitter too
RobbieSykes123
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“I think it may drop below 9 million next week. Last night was my last show it was SO DULL. A child with a snake around her neck reciting a poem probably her mum wrote isn't relly talent, alot of people seemed critical on FB and Twitter too”

A snake reciting poetry?!

Wow, wished I'd tuned in now...

Was the snake called Simon?

Seriously, I wonder if cowell saw the paucity of talent on offer this series and that's why he bailed out?
chris_bauer
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Suprised BGT only managed a tiny 0.07m bounceback after last week's low, considering both the heatwave and the school holidays are over, and with the flag waving/national good feeling you would think also giving a show like BGT a lift.

Maybe "Britain's Gone Off Talent"?
”

But it got 10 million viewers? How can that be a disappointment? Would you like it if it was on BBC1? or would you moan about the BBC getting 10million viewers for an awful programme?
Cent
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by dave01:
“Some of that 29 million we can't find would fall into these categories though:
- Babies to young to physically watch TV. BARB don't count viewers aged under 4yrs, of which the UK population was 3.5m as of 2001.
- Holidays. Around 2m were said to be going abroad for the bank holiday weekend.

I guess that leaves around 24 million still to find though.”

People who had things to do/people who had prior engagements.

Plus, many people were working. Only 7.7m took the day off.
rzt
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Suprised BGT only managed a tiny 0.07m bounceback after last week's low, considering both the heatwave and the school holidays are over, and with the flag waving/national good feeling you would think also giving a show like BGT a lift.

Shocking for DW but not unexpected. Not sure there's any more to be said about this scheduling insanity that hasn't been said already.”

I don't understand this reasoning, to be honest. You say BGT should've been up more because the school holidays are over and there was no heatwave - that's fine. But those factors also apply for other shows too and yet you contradict yourself by saying you expected DW to be down by over 1m week-on-week, which is a pretty big drop, compared to a launch overnight rating which was already relatively low by DW's standards. The average prediction for DW on the RPG was 6.2m, so it rated quite a bit lower than many expected. The share is quite important in this case - DW's rarely as low as 30.5% for any episode. The first parter last week though was quite difficult to understand which could've put off casual viewers so I can see next week's episode doing better as it's not a 2nd parter like last night, also it's 15 mins later which'll help.
mancitybean
01-05-2011
Liking how Match of the Day beats SIYC and SYTYCD!
I'm just simply watching Who Dares Wins then BGT and BGMT on the +1's.
derek500
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by chris_bauer:
“But it got 10 million viewers? How can that be a disappointment? Would you like it if it was on BBC1? or would you moan about the BBC getting 10million viewers for an awful programme?”

Reminds me of The Guardian sub headline a couple of weeks ago:-

Quote:
“Channel has strong Saturday night despite talent show failing to break 10m mark for first time since 2008”

Then in the second paragraph:

Quote:
“Britain's Got Talent, which will only feature Cowell on the judging panel for its final week of live shows, averaged another 495,000 viewers (2.2%) on timeshift channel ITV1 +1, giving it a total average audience of 10.4 million.”

Then the third paragraph:

Quote:
“The show failed to break the 10 million barrier on ITV1 for the first time since 2008 – although this is the first year that Britain's Got Talent viewers have been able to watch the show an hour later on ITV1 +1.”

Which totally negates the first headline!!

Oh to be a journalist!!
sstripling
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“In a wedding coverage postscript I see in the papers today that ITV is facing a telling off from the Westminster Abbey authorities for airing the cartwheeling verger, in breach of an agreement that the cameras stopped rolling after the ceremony.

Naughty if true...”

Well Sky also showed it too, not sure if BBC did. Plus the camera's inside the Abbey were BBC ones, were they not....

Naughty on the BBC's part if true....
derek500
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by sstripling:
“Well Sky also showed it too, not sure if BBC did. Plus the camera's inside the Abbey were BBC ones, were they not....

Naughty on the BBC's part if true....”

Sky and ITV shared additional cameras in the Abbey to supplement the BBC feed.
Brekkie
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“The Royal Wedding from 06:00 to 07:15 in America averaged 22.8 million: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...source=twitter”

So up on Charles and Diana then (which I assume was around the same time). Interesting too that 22.8m watch in 18.6m households - so most were watching alone then.

Was it live across the nation or was it delayed on the West Coast?

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Saturday 22nd April Overnights

ITV1 (inc +1)
12:15- This Morning: Saturday: 0.6m ( 7.2%)
13:15- Monk: 0.6m ( 7.5%)
14:15- You've Been Framed Funniest 100: 1.0m (10.7%)
15:15- Live and Let Die: 0.9m (8.2%)
17:30- ITV Regional News: 2.0m (15.3%)
17:45- ITV News and Weather: 2.2m (15.1%)
18:00- New People Do The Funniest Things: 1.9m (10.2%)
19:00- Sing if You Can: 3.3m (17.4%)
20:00- Britain's Got Talent: 9.5m (40.0%)
* 5-minute peak: 11.4m (inc +1)
21:00- Piers Morgan's Life Stories: 3.9m (16.6%)
22:00- ITV News and Weather: 3.3 (14.1%)
22:15- Dirty Harry: 1.3m ( 8.8%)”

That really puts yesterdays figures in context where ITV's coverage of the Royal Wedding was over 20% most of the day - which is even more remarkable considering the 50-60% share the BBC had.

Agree though BGT is suffering from the lack of talent this year, though the actual judging panel is working well. (IMO it is the judges which make SYTYCD unbearable to watch!)

Originally Posted by gottago:
“Will SYTYCD be finished by the time Eurovision comes on in two weeks or will they be dropping it for a week?”

Unless it's axed mid-series it's got a fair way to go yet, so I'd guess the most likely outcome is something like:

6.05 Doctor Who, 6.50 SYTYCD, 7.50 Lottery, 8.00 Eurovision - with the SYTYCD results on Sunday.

Although no reason really why the Lottery draws, SYTYCD results and Match of the Day couldn't be shown on BBC2. I'd have thought the Premier League might prefer a 10.30 airing on BBC2 to an 11.30 airing on BBC1.
iaindb
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
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Unless it's axed mid-series it's got a fair way to go yet, so I'd guess the most likely outcome is something like:

6.05 Doctor Who, 6.50 SYTYCD, 7.50 Lottery, 8.00 Eurovision - with the SYTYCD results on Sunday.

Although no reason really why the Lottery draws, SYTYCD results and Match of the Day couldn't be shown on BBC2. I'd have thought the Premier League might prefer a 10.30 airing on BBC2 to an 11.30 airing on BBC1.”

Eurovision is on on the same day as the FA Cup Final. Unusually there is a full premier league schedule that weekend but all the games on Saturday kick off at 12.45pm to avoid the cup. So no need for Final Score at 4.30pm. So I predict a schedule of:

2.30 Final Score
3.00 Film***
4.45 News
5.05 Don't Scare The Hare
5.45 Dr Who
6.30 SYTYCD including Results
7.50 Lottery Draws
8.00 Eurovision


***or they might stick on a selection of their cheap lazy shi1tty daytime rubbish
rzt
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“So I predict a schedule of:

2.30 Final Score
3.00 Film***
4.45 News
5.05 Don't Scare The Hare
5.45 Dr Who
6.30 SYTYCD including Results
7.50 Lottery Draws
8.00 Eurovision”

No need to worry regarding Doctor Who being on that early. The BBC Press Office says that the SYTYCD Results show will be on Sunday at 7-8pm.
Andy23
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Suprised BGT only managed a tiny 0.07m bounceback after last week's low, considering both the heatwave and the school holidays are over, and with the flag waving/national good feeling you would think also giving a show like BGT a lift.

Maybe "Britain's Gone Off Talent"?

Shocking for DW but not unexpected. Not sure there's any more to be said about this scheduling insanity that hasn't been said already.”

Why is such a large fall for Doctor Who not unexpected?

As you say, the heatwave is over as are the school holidays, so that would mean a higher rating surely?
Joe40
01-05-2011
On the day of the World Snooker final, former BBC commentator Ted Lowe has died aged 90.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/snooker/13253010.stm
iaindb
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Why is such a large fall for Doctor Who not unexpected?
”

Because last week'e episode was the series premiere which always gets more hype than every other episode apart from the finale. I stand to be corrected but I'm pretty sure the first episode of the new series always gets more viewers than episode 2.
rzt
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“ I stand to be corrected but I'm pretty sure the first episode of the new series always gets more viewers than episode 2.”

Nearly always. In 2006, the 2nd episode rated better than the 1st episode:

2005- 9.9m (1st ep) ... 7.3m (2nd ep) ... change: -26%
2006- 8.0m... 8.9m... change: +11%
2007- 8.2m... 6.8m... change: -17%
2008- 8.4m... 8.1m... change: -4%
2010- 8.0m... 6.7m... change: -16%
2011- 6.5m... 5.4m... change: -17%
rzt
01-05-2011
Last week's episode of Doctor Who had a consolidated rating of: 8.86m.

That's a very impressive timeshift of +2.34m (+36%). Compared to previous series opening official ratings:

2005- 10.81m
2006- 8.62m
2007- 8.71m
2008- 9.14m
2010- 10.08m
2011- 8.86m

Thanks to MattJ for the rating

So actually, more people watched last week's series opener than the 2006 and 2007 ones!
Glenn A
01-05-2011
A shame about DW as last night's episode was the best for ages, but like last year when a heatwave was on, a lot of people timeshift and watch it on the i Player. However, looking at yesterday's ratings, a 7 pc share for ITV1 with This Morning Saturday is pathetic. It proves one thing, who really wants to watch highlights( if any) of a trashy daytime show that's well past its sell by date.
iaindb
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Last week's episode of Doctor Who had a consolidated average of: 8.86m.

That's a very impressive timeshift of +2.34m (+36%). Compared to previous series opening official ratings:

2005- 10.81m
2006- 8.62m
2007- 8.71m
2008- 9.14m
2010- 10.08m
2011- 8.86m

So actually, more people watched last week's series opener than the 2006 and 2007 ones!”



So the BBC were right and we were all wrong.

We put too much emphasism on the overnights. This is the 21st century. TV technolgy and TV viewing habits have changed. Still don't think it's worth propping up SYTYCD, though.
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