What's wrong with my TV ?

Andy Birkenhead · 17-04-2011, 10:23

I have a Philips 42" Plasma which is about 5 years old.
Every now and then, it's as if the picture "splits" into visible horizontal lines and every other line is missing.
You can also see a faint image of the previuos scene, and there is a green hue to the picture.
This lasts a little while and then goes back to normal.
Is my telly dying ?

Nigel Goodwin · 17-04-2011, 11:59

Probably so - most Plasma faults are the PDP.

Andy Birkenhead · 17-04-2011, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Probably so - most Plasma faults are the PDP.

PDP ??

shhftw · 17-04-2011, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead

PDP ??

Plasma Display Panel

Andy Birkenhead · 17-04-2011, 13:16

But my TV is only 5 years old !

Nigel Goodwin · 17-04-2011, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead

But my TV is only 5 years old !

Five years a pretty long time for a Plasma, and particularly so for a Philips who aren't a very reliable make.

David (2) · 17-04-2011, 14:27

5 years is quite a long time for any modern tv, but Plasma more so due to the way they work. Things are just not made to last anymore. A few years ago I bought my first dvd recorder, and that didnt even last 2 years. Epson inkjet also gave up the ghost earlier this year after just over 5 years of use.

pocatello · 17-04-2011, 15:39

Yea prices have tumbled in 5 years, technology has marched ahead in 5 years, only kuros and the like would hold their value/position in picture quality.

It should have lasted longer, but at this point it probably gets beat by mid level plasmas which are really cheap these days. Philips is not a respected brand in tv's, and hasn't been for a while..let alone for plasma. They had to pull out of the us market a while back completely, and before that they only had their name on low end chinese made junk. So I don't have much faith in their brand when it comes to tv's..

Andy Birkenhead · 17-04-2011, 16:02

I know what you mean about prices. When I bought it five years ago, it cost me £1,250

And that was one of the cheapest !
At the time, I thought Philips was a good make.
What makes are best, then ?
I'm thinking of 50" for under a grand

pocatello · 18-04-2011, 01:04

Higher end panasonics are pretty good now.
Avsforum is a better place to ask to be honest.

AidanLunn · 19-04-2011, 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocatello

Yea prices have tumbled in 5 years, technology has marched ahead in 5 years, only kuros and the like would hold their value/position in picture quality.

It should have lasted longer, but at this point it probably gets beat by mid level plasmas which are really cheap these days. Philips is not a respected brand in tv's, and hasn't been for a while..let alone for plasma. They had to pull out of the us market a while back completely, and before that they only had their name on low end chinese made junk. So I don't have much faith in their brand when it comes to tv's..

It seems they might get their hands on more cheap Chinese junk: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...-division.html

OP, Philips are not a good brand for TVs and never will be (and weren't for VCRs - HiFi systems and radio seemed to be just about their limit).

DVD recorders which are almost useless for transferring VHS/Betamax to DVD, unreliable blu-ray/DVD players, CRTs which went past their going-off date long before other manufacturers' sets, dry joints, complex VCR mechanisms (and formats - they invented the doomed Video2000 format), those dreadful "memory batteries" for their 1980s TVs, expensive TVs with irrepairable faults (this is nothing new!)

And so on.

They are con-merchants at fooling people into believing that they are good! I only feel for those unknowing yuppie souls who avoided Philips as they were seen to be "common" . . . and then went out and spent a wadge of cash on a Finlux or a Bang and Olufsen - an overpriced Philips, seeing as they're just built by said company and badged under those brand names. Basically, a pig with make-up.

AidanLunn · 19-04-2011, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocatello

Higher end panasonics are pretty good now.
Avsforum is a better place to ask to be honest.

Add much of Sony's stuff to that list.

fastest finger · 19-04-2011, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by AidanLunn

Philips are not a good brand for TVs and never will be....

.....especially now that they are stopping making TVs altogether.

Nigel Goodwin · 19-04-2011, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by AidanLunn

They are con-merchants at fooling people into believing that they are good! I only feel for those unknowing yuppie souls who avoided Philips as they were seen to be "common" . . . and then went out and spent a wadge of cash on a Finlux or a Bang and Olufsen - an overpriced Philips, seeing as they're just built by said company and badged under those brand names. Basically, a pig with make-up.

Neither Finlux or B&O TV's were made by Philips, they both made their own, certainly Philips made VCR's for B&O though, and possibly for Finlux?.

I don't quite understand the reference to yuppies spending loads of cash on Finlux though?, it was always a cheap and fairly low quality brand - and of course is nothing but a badge on Vestel now (a Euronics brand name).

Peter the Great · 20-04-2011, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by AidanLunn

It seems they might get their hands on more cheap Chinese junk: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...-division.html

OP, Philips are not a good brand for TVs and never will be (and weren't for VCRs - HiFi systems and radio seemed to be just about their limit).

DVD recorders which are almost useless for transferring VHS/Betamax to DVD, unreliable blu-ray/DVD players, CRTs which went past their going-off date long before other manufacturers' sets, dry joints, complex VCR mechanisms (and formats - they invented the doomed Video2000 format), those dreadful "memory batteries" for their 1980s TVs, expensive TVs with irrepairable faults (this is nothing new!)

And so on.

They are con-merchants at fooling people into believing that they are good! I only feel for those unknowing yuppie souls who avoided Philips as they were seen to be "common" . . . and then went out and spent a wadge of cash on a Finlux or a Bang and Olufsen - an overpriced Philips, seeing as they're just built by said company and badged under those brand names. Basically, a pig with make-up.

Sorry diagree with you about Philips tvs. I still have a Philips portable CRT in the bedroom that still works perfectly after 8 years and i know someone who has a widescreen Philips CRT that is 15 years old and is still working perfectly. The LCD's i have seen are quite good as well and a friend has had their Philips LCD for 5 years with no problems. I must admit i never knew Philips made Plasmas. I guess they must have stopped making them a few years ago.
One thing i do agree on though is Philips audio products were always generally crap. Their hi fi systems were often tat and especially had awful turntables on them.

Lordy Lordy · 20-04-2011, 11:55

All appliances are built these days with a life expectancy of five years or less.

My crappy Toshiba TV lasted 15 months and when I compalined they basically washed their hands of it.

AidanLunn · 20-04-2011, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Neither Finlux or B&O TV's were made by Philips, they both made their own, certainly Philips made VCR's for B&O though, and possibly for Finlux?.

I don't quite understand the reference to yuppies spending loads of cash on Finlux though?, it was always a cheap and fairly low quality brand - and of course is nothing but a badge on Vestel now (a Euronics brand name).

Several Finlux TVs I've seen are just re-badges of their Band and Olufsen counterparts.

AidanLunn · 20-04-2011, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter the Great

Sorry diagree with you about Philips tvs. I still have a Philips portable CRT in the bedroom that still works perfectly after 8 years and i know someone who has a widescreen Philips CRT that is 15 years old and is still working perfectly.

Well then, you and this other person that you know are the only two exceptions to the rule

Obviously there will be exceptions to statements like the one I made above, but the majority of Philips stuff has been crap. Like I'm sure not every Beko TV has been rubbish.

Nigel Goodwin · 20-04-2011, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by AidanLunn

Several Finlux TVs I've seen are just re-badges of their Band and Olufsen counterparts.

How long ago was that?, the original Finlux weren't, and currently they are Vestel. Perhaps there 'may' have been a period in between where B&O owned the Finlux brandname?.

Chris Frost · 20-04-2011, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocatello

Avsforum is a better place to ask to be honest.

AVSForum is an American site. They won't know much about European TVs. He'd be better off at AVForums which is the UK-centric site. The spellings are so close it's easy to mix them up

Peter the Great · 20-04-2011, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by AidanLunn

Well then, you and this other person that you know are the only two exceptions to the rule

Obviously there will be exceptions to statements like the one I made above, but the majority of Philips stuff has been crap. Like I'm sure not every Beko TV has been rubbish.

Or it is your personal opinion. My examples included both CRT and LCD tvs and was based on more than me and 1 other person.

Nigel Goodwin · 20-04-2011, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter the Great

Or it is your personal opinion. My examples included both CRT and LCD tvs and was based on more than me and 1 other person.

It was still a MUCH too small sample, Philips have severe reliability problems, it's well known in the trade, which is why most dealers stopped selling it long ago.

I understand Philips UK market share is now well below 1%, but apparently they do quite well (at least relative to the UK) in Southern Ireland.

pocatello · 21-04-2011, 02:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter the Great

Or it is your personal opinion. My examples included both CRT and LCD tvs and was based on more than me and 1 other person.

My family had a phillips crt that began to buzz just a year into its life. We also had a panasonic crt that lasted well over a decade.

Sample size is small but even my personal experience with the brand is bad, and the general experience was so bad in america they had to pull out of the market entirely. That is evidence in itself for something rotten with the brand, they certainly did compete on price, their low end was about the same price as other low end, so they didn't go out of business there because their prices were too high.

Peter the Great · 21-04-2011, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

It was still a MUCH too small sample, Philips have severe reliability problems, it's well known in the trade, which is why most dealers stopped selling it long ago.

I understand Philips UK market share is now well below 1%, but apparently they do quite well (at least relative to the UK) in Southern Ireland.

Well many reviews i saw of recent Philips tvs were good and the reason that Philips tvs sold badly was because of poor marketing. If Philips tvs were so crap why are stores like Richer Sounds and Audio T still stocking alot of their tvs?

Nigel Goodwin · 21-04-2011, 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter the Great

Well many reviews i saw of recent Philips tvs were good and the reason that Philips tvs sold badly was because of poor marketing. If Philips tvs were so crap why are stores like Richer Sounds and Audio T still stocking alot of their tvs?

Because no one else will, so they get them dead cheap

Reviews are usually pretty useless and inaccurate, although Philips LCD's I've seen look pretty decent, it's their reliability and poor service that's the problem, not the performance.

17-04-2011, 10:23	#1
Andy Birkenhead Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Birkenhead, Merseyside. Posts: 9,712	What's wrong with my TV ? I have a Philips 42" Plasma which is about 5 years old. Every now and then, it's as if the picture "splits" into visible horizontal lines and every other line is missing. You can also see a faint image of the previuos scene, and there is a green hue to the picture. This lasts a little while and then goes back to normal. Is my telly dying ?

17-04-2011, 11:59	#2
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Probably so - most Plasma faults are the PDP.

17-04-2011, 12:48	#3
Andy Birkenhead Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Birkenhead, Merseyside. Posts: 9,712	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Probably so - most Plasma faults are the PDP. PDP ??

17-04-2011, 12:59	#4
shhftw Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2,061	Quote: Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead PDP ?? Plasma Display Panel

17-04-2011, 13:16	#5
Andy Birkenhead Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Birkenhead, Merseyside. Posts: 9,712	But my TV is only 5 years old !

17-04-2011, 13:28	#6
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead But my TV is only 5 years old ! Five years a pretty long time for a Plasma, and particularly so for a Philips who aren't a very reliable make.

17-04-2011, 14:27	#7
David (2) Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: S.West England. Posts: 18,037	5 years is quite a long time for any modern tv, but Plasma more so due to the way they work. Things are just not made to last anymore. A few years ago I bought my first dvd recorder, and that didnt even last 2 years. Epson inkjet also gave up the ghost earlier this year after just over 5 years of use.

17-04-2011, 15:39	#8
pocatello Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,622	Yea prices have tumbled in 5 years, technology has marched ahead in 5 years, only kuros and the like would hold their value/position in picture quality. It should have lasted longer, but at this point it probably gets beat by mid level plasmas which are really cheap these days. Philips is not a respected brand in tv's, and hasn't been for a while..let alone for plasma. They had to pull out of the us market a while back completely, and before that they only had their name on low end chinese made junk. So I don't have much faith in their brand when it comes to tv's..

17-04-2011, 16:02	#9
Andy Birkenhead Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Birkenhead, Merseyside. Posts: 9,712	I know what you mean about prices. When I bought it five years ago, it cost me £1,250 And that was one of the cheapest ! At the time, I thought Philips was a good make. What makes are best, then ? I'm thinking of 50" for under a grand

18-04-2011, 01:04	#10
pocatello Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,622	Higher end panasonics are pretty good now. Avsforum is a better place to ask to be honest.

19-04-2011, 17:32	#11
AidanLunn Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5,045	Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Yea prices have tumbled in 5 years, technology has marched ahead in 5 years, only kuros and the like would hold their value/position in picture quality. It should have lasted longer, but at this point it probably gets beat by mid level plasmas which are really cheap these days. Philips is not a respected brand in tv's, and hasn't been for a while..let alone for plasma. They had to pull out of the us market a while back completely, and before that they only had their name on low end chinese made junk. So I don't have much faith in their brand when it comes to tv's.. It seems they might get their hands on more cheap Chinese junk: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...-division.html OP, Philips are not a good brand for TVs and never will be (and weren't for VCRs - HiFi systems and radio seemed to be just about their limit). DVD recorders which are almost useless for transferring VHS/Betamax to DVD, unreliable blu-ray/DVD players, CRTs which went past their going-off date long before other manufacturers' sets, dry joints, complex VCR mechanisms (and formats - they invented the doomed Video2000 format), those dreadful "memory batteries" for their 1980s TVs, expensive TVs with irrepairable faults (this is nothing new!) And so on. They are con-merchants at fooling people into believing that they are good! I only feel for those unknowing yuppie souls who avoided Philips as they were seen to be "common" . . . and then went out and spent a wadge of cash on a Finlux or a Bang and Olufsen - an overpriced Philips, seeing as they're just built by said company and badged under those brand names. Basically, a pig with make-up.

19-04-2011, 17:38	#12
AidanLunn Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5,045	Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Higher end panasonics are pretty good now. Avsforum is a better place to ask to be honest. Add much of Sony's stuff to that list.

19-04-2011, 18:11	#13
fastest finger Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Heart of England. Posts: 8,633	Quote: Originally Posted by AidanLunn Philips are not a good brand for TVs and never will be.... .....especially now that they are stopping making TVs altogether.

19-04-2011, 19:31	#14
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AidanLunn They are con-merchants at fooling people into believing that they are good! I only feel for those unknowing yuppie souls who avoided Philips as they were seen to be "common" . . . and then went out and spent a wadge of cash on a Finlux or a Bang and Olufsen - an overpriced Philips, seeing as they're just built by said company and badged under those brand names. Basically, a pig with make-up. Neither Finlux or B&O TV's were made by Philips, they both made their own, certainly Philips made VCR's for B&O though, and possibly for Finlux?. I don't quite understand the reference to yuppies spending loads of cash on Finlux though?, it was always a cheap and fairly low quality brand - and of course is nothing but a badge on Vestel now (a Euronics brand name).

20-04-2011, 03:16	#15
Peter the Great Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,078	Quote: Originally Posted by AidanLunn It seems they might get their hands on more cheap Chinese junk: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...-division.html OP, Philips are not a good brand for TVs and never will be (and weren't for VCRs - HiFi systems and radio seemed to be just about their limit). DVD recorders which are almost useless for transferring VHS/Betamax to DVD, unreliable blu-ray/DVD players, CRTs which went past their going-off date long before other manufacturers' sets, dry joints, complex VCR mechanisms (and formats - they invented the doomed Video2000 format), those dreadful "memory batteries" for their 1980s TVs, expensive TVs with irrepairable faults (this is nothing new!) And so on. They are con-merchants at fooling people into believing that they are good! I only feel for those unknowing yuppie souls who avoided Philips as they were seen to be "common" . . . and then went out and spent a wadge of cash on a Finlux or a Bang and Olufsen - an overpriced Philips, seeing as they're just built by said company and badged under those brand names. Basically, a pig with make-up. Sorry diagree with you about Philips tvs. I still have a Philips portable CRT in the bedroom that still works perfectly after 8 years and i know someone who has a widescreen Philips CRT that is 15 years old and is still working perfectly. The LCD's i have seen are quite good as well and a friend has had their Philips LCD for 5 years with no problems. I must admit i never knew Philips made Plasmas. I guess they must have stopped making them a few years ago. One thing i do agree on though is Philips audio products were always generally crap. Their hi fi systems were often tat and especially had awful turntables on them.

20-04-2011, 11:55	#16
Lordy Lordy Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 1,557	All appliances are built these days with a life expectancy of five years or less. My crappy Toshiba TV lasted 15 months and when I compalined they basically washed their hands of it.

20-04-2011, 12:13	#17
AidanLunn Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5,045	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Neither Finlux or B&O TV's were made by Philips, they both made their own, certainly Philips made VCR's for B&O though, and possibly for Finlux?. I don't quite understand the reference to yuppies spending loads of cash on Finlux though?, it was always a cheap and fairly low quality brand - and of course is nothing but a badge on Vestel now (a Euronics brand name). Several Finlux TVs I've seen are just re-badges of their Band and Olufsen counterparts.

20-04-2011, 12:16	#18
AidanLunn Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5,045	Quote: Originally Posted by Peter the Great Sorry diagree with you about Philips tvs. I still have a Philips portable CRT in the bedroom that still works perfectly after 8 years and i know someone who has a widescreen Philips CRT that is 15 years old and is still working perfectly. Well then, you and this other person that you know are the only two exceptions to the rule Obviously there will be exceptions to statements like the one I made above, but the majority of Philips stuff has been crap. Like I'm sure not every Beko TV has been rubbish.

20-04-2011, 13:19	#19
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AidanLunn Several Finlux TVs I've seen are just re-badges of their Band and Olufsen counterparts. How long ago was that?, the original Finlux weren't, and currently they are Vestel. Perhaps there 'may' have been a period in between where B&O owned the Finlux brandname?.

20-04-2011, 14:19	#20
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Avsforum is a better place to ask to be honest. AVSForum is an American site. They won't know much about European TVs. He'd be better off at AVForums which is the UK-centric site. The spellings are so close it's easy to mix them up

20-04-2011, 16:06	#21
Peter the Great Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,078	Quote: Originally Posted by AidanLunn Well then, you and this other person that you know are the only two exceptions to the rule Obviously there will be exceptions to statements like the one I made above, but the majority of Philips stuff has been crap. Like I'm sure not every Beko TV has been rubbish. Or it is your personal opinion. My examples included both CRT and LCD tvs and was based on more than me and 1 other person.

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What's wrong with my TV ?

20-04-2011, 20:21	#22
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Peter the Great Or it is your personal opinion. My examples included both CRT and LCD tvs and was based on more than me and 1 other person. It was still a MUCH too small sample, Philips have severe reliability problems, it's well known in the trade, which is why most dealers stopped selling it long ago. I understand Philips UK market share is now well below 1%, but apparently they do quite well (at least relative to the UK) in Southern Ireland.

21-04-2011, 02:55	#23
pocatello Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,622	Quote: Originally Posted by Peter the Great Or it is your personal opinion. My examples included both CRT and LCD tvs and was based on more than me and 1 other person. My family had a phillips crt that began to buzz just a year into its life. We also had a panasonic crt that lasted well over a decade. Sample size is small but even my personal experience with the brand is bad, and the general experience was so bad in america they had to pull out of the market entirely. That is evidence in itself for something rotten with the brand, they certainly did compete on price, their low end was about the same price as other low end, so they didn't go out of business there because their prices were too high.

21-04-2011, 15:03	#24
Peter the Great Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,078	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin It was still a MUCH too small sample, Philips have severe reliability problems, it's well known in the trade, which is why most dealers stopped selling it long ago. I understand Philips UK market share is now well below 1%, but apparently they do quite well (at least relative to the UK) in Southern Ireland. Well many reviews i saw of recent Philips tvs were good and the reason that Philips tvs sold badly was because of poor marketing. If Philips tvs were so crap why are stores like Richer Sounds and Audio T still stocking alot of their tvs?

21-04-2011, 15:36	#25
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Peter the Great Well many reviews i saw of recent Philips tvs were good and the reason that Philips tvs sold badly was because of poor marketing. If Philips tvs were so crap why are stores like Richer Sounds and Audio T still stocking alot of their tvs? Because no one else will, so they get them dead cheap Reviews are usually pretty useless and inaccurate, although Philips LCD's I've seen look pretty decent, it's their reliability and poor service that's the problem, not the performance.