Flash finally coming to Apple phones?
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No, definitely not.
It's just Adobe realising they're losing market share in the media server market because they lacked iOS support. Adding HLS support to Flash Media Server means that they can now stream video to iOS devices.
This only affects media streaming. Flash applications still won't run on iOS and I can't see there ever being an iOS native version of Flash Player.
Remember this is Adobe adopting Apple's format, not the other way around. This won't change Apple's view of Flash.
It's just Adobe realising they're losing market share in the media server market because they lacked iOS support. Adding HLS support to Flash Media Server means that they can now stream video to iOS devices.
This only affects media streaming. Flash applications still won't run on iOS and I can't see there ever being an iOS native version of Flash Player.
Remember this is Adobe adopting Apple's format, not the other way around. This won't change Apple's view of Flash.
I don't miss not having flash as I usually disable it on the computer, also a great deal of websites use HTML 5 now.
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“I don't miss not having flash as I usually disable it on the computer, also a great deal of websites use HTML 5 now.”
“I don't miss not having flash as I usually disable it on the computer, also a great deal of websites use HTML 5 now.”
How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.
Originally Posted by ACU:
“How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.”
“How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.”
Although I think thats a bit harsh on some of the elements HTML5 is bringing to the party, I agree HTML5 cannot do anything near the capabilities of Flash.
Originally Posted by ACU:
“How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.”
“How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.”
HTML5 offers the thing most people care about, and that's streaming video without serious battery drain.
Originally Posted by KAC:
“HTML5 offers the thing most people care about, and that's streaming video without serious battery drain.”
“HTML5 offers the thing most people care about, and that's streaming video without serious battery drain.”
Most people care about? Is this a fact, or more likely, what you care about?
Originally Posted by KAC:
“HTML5 offers the thing most people care about, and that's streaming video without serious battery drain.”
“HTML5 offers the thing most people care about, and that's streaming video without serious battery drain.”
On some devices maybe.
Flash with hardware acceleration for animated ads versus HTML5 coding for animated ads.
I wonder which one wins for battery usage and importantly which has the off-switch?
I wonder which one wins for battery usage and importantly which has the off-switch?
Originally Posted by Roush:
“No, definitely not.
It's just Adobe realising they're losing market share in the media server market because they lacked iOS support. Adding HLS support to Flash Media Server means that they can now stream video to iOS devices.
This only affects media streaming. Flash applications still won't run on iOS and I can't see there ever being an iOS native version of Flash Player.
Remember this is Adobe adopting Apple's format, not the other way around. This won't change Apple's view of Flash.”
“No, definitely not.
It's just Adobe realising they're losing market share in the media server market because they lacked iOS support. Adding HLS support to Flash Media Server means that they can now stream video to iOS devices.
This only affects media streaming. Flash applications still won't run on iOS and I can't see there ever being an iOS native version of Flash Player.
Remember this is Adobe adopting Apple's format, not the other way around. This won't change Apple's view of Flash.”
Good thing that iOS market share looks to be on the wane; hopefully it'll mean that Apple start to become sidelined rather than others bending to its will.
Originally Posted by moox:
“Good thing that iOS market share looks to be on the wane; hopefully it'll mean that Apple start to become sidelined rather than others bending to its will.”
“Good thing that iOS market share looks to be on the wane; hopefully it'll mean that Apple start to become sidelined rather than others bending to its will.”
Lots of people have commented on this in various threads. Apple's market share is declining but it's market is still growing. Simply, Android is capturing more of the growth of the entire market than iOS.
This is different to iOS losing market share in a relatively static market which would entail reducing number of active iOS devices.
Originally Posted by ACU:
“How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.”
“How do you miss something you have never had?
A great deal? Still a very small percentage of websites. HTML 5 still doesnt offer everything you can get with Flash, despite Jobs and his mob claiming otherwise. Is HTML 5 a poor mans flash? - not quite, but not that far of either.”
I have had it, my computer and Symbian phone had flash and I never used it.
I mean even porn sites use HTML5 now
I like the way Steve will sit there and stubbornly let users make do until existing technology is developed enough which can practically replicate the results... rather than just offer the functionality and choice to begin with. Top man. You sound like Google. Both hugely successful, but both tw*ts!
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“I have had it, my computer and Symbian phone had flash and I never used it.
I mean even porn sites use HTML5 now”
“I have had it, my computer and Symbian phone had flash and I never used it.
I mean even porn sites use HTML5 now
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If you want to disable a feature, then that is up to you. There will be some pages on the web you just wont be able to surf.
I would guess the number of html5 pages on the web is very very small. There is a html5 logo introduced by W3C, that people can put on their html5 pages. I havent seen it anywhere as of yet.
There is plenty that flash can do, that html5 cant. I dont see why you would drop flash, for something inferior.
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“the idea that html 5 is an alternative to flash is simply a lie started by apple.”
“the idea that html 5 is an alternative to flash is simply a lie started by apple.”
We all know why - Apple wants control of all apps and a slice of the revenue. Hence why only apps in their app store are allowed, in-app purchases may only be through iTunes etc.
Flash provides a way of providing apps through the browser, outside of Apple's control. That's the real reason. The only thing HTML5 is good for replacing right now is flash-based videos.
But then the hardware acceleration won't be as optimised on WebM, H.264 etc as it is becoming on flash.
Originally Posted by SilentLoner:
“Flash also sucks on desktops too. Can you name one must have thing that has flash?”
“Flash also sucks on desktops too. Can you name one must have thing that has flash?”
Various web games that are used by tens of millions of people every day use Flash, including CityVille, the most popular Facebook app ever.
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“The only thing HTML5 is good for replacing right now is flash-based videos.”
“The only thing HTML5 is good for replacing right now is flash-based videos.”
Even for video there seems to be hypocrisy from Apple. They claim that they want openness (but only now that it suits them, of course) yet they continue to peddle their own proprietary format and player, the latter must be installed with iTunes (two times the bloatware), and seems to enjoy taking over handling for things like WAV files in web browsers.
Apple's website seems to require Quicktime to watch its video content.
The entire issue is nothing more than a vendetta against Adobe by Apple.
Originally Posted by SilentLoner:
“Flash also sucks on desktops too. Can you name one must have thing that has flash?”
“Flash also sucks on desktops too. Can you name one must have thing that has flash?”
I can remember about 2003 when every website was built in flash. It was a bit of a trend but I'm glad it wore off because I much prefer HTML.
But the thing is everybody goes on about Flash and most phones that run it would be incredibly slow and sluggish. Apple products are not.
Flash is more then just a wrapper for video streaming. It's a full blown application platform. When the original iPhone was first released in 2007 even if they allowed Flash it would have run like a crippled dog IMHO. At the time Apple didn't even have an apps or an app store. Fast forward to the present and modern phones can easily handle full blown Flash apps, but Apple has a very successful App Store model which is earning them a load of dosh.
Technically there is no reason why Flash couldn't be made available for iOS. And even now it is possible to cross-complile Flash apps into iOS apps - even though at one point Apple weren't even allowing that, but seem to have relaxed a bit on that - as long as they are sold through the App Store and Apple get to drag their feet on approvals and shifting goalposts and get a sizeable cut. Personally I think Flash should be made available on all platforms but the bottom line is that it's all about profit and control.
Technically there is no reason why Flash couldn't be made available for iOS. And even now it is possible to cross-complile Flash apps into iOS apps - even though at one point Apple weren't even allowing that, but seem to have relaxed a bit on that - as long as they are sold through the App Store and Apple get to drag their feet on approvals and shifting goalposts and get a sizeable cut. Personally I think Flash should be made available on all platforms but the bottom line is that it's all about profit and control.
Flash is pretty slow on a Motorola Milestone with a 550MHz processor, but it's fine on the current crop of 1GHz smartphones, and the dual-core Motorola XOOM tablet.
The iPad 2 could easily run Flash, and so will the iPhone 5 (and, I'm pretty certain the iPhone 4 and iPod touch 4G would not suffer).
It isn't a simple case of whether Flash can run.. this is a 'political' issue and Apple is doing pretty well, especially having successfully convinced many people that Flash is evil.
While Flash IS evil if designers don't use it properly (like building websites exclusively in Flash) or run on some really underpowered netbook with no RAM, it isn't an issue on modern hardware that exceeds the needs of most people and is rarely pushed to the limits.
Mobile phones and tablets will only continue to get more and more powerful as manufacturers play the games of the PC industry. Just as we have cameras with squillions of pixels, we now have people buying the fastest smartphones. Will many of them need that power (it won't make the UI any quicker!)? Who cares. It's something to impress your peers with.
The iPad 2 could easily run Flash, and so will the iPhone 5 (and, I'm pretty certain the iPhone 4 and iPod touch 4G would not suffer).
It isn't a simple case of whether Flash can run.. this is a 'political' issue and Apple is doing pretty well, especially having successfully convinced many people that Flash is evil.
While Flash IS evil if designers don't use it properly (like building websites exclusively in Flash) or run on some really underpowered netbook with no RAM, it isn't an issue on modern hardware that exceeds the needs of most people and is rarely pushed to the limits.
Mobile phones and tablets will only continue to get more and more powerful as manufacturers play the games of the PC industry. Just as we have cameras with squillions of pixels, we now have people buying the fastest smartphones. Will many of them need that power (it won't make the UI any quicker!)? Who cares. It's something to impress your peers with.
I miss it on the iPad and think that those claiming they don't are just parroting Apples marketing twonks.
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