Originally Posted by CheekySAUCISSON:
“DAY 71 - POOL MAKE UP PART 2
Josie starts splashing water at John.
JOSIE: Stop ignoring me!! I hate being ignored (laughing) I hate being ignored.
John starts smiling teasingly at her.
JOSIE: It's not my fault that you um decided to take someone elses side over mine and switched on me. It's not my fault, John. It's not my fault that he thought I was ganging up on someone and bullying them – when you know the sort of person that I am. I wouldn't do that. It's not my fault that I am hurt because you didn't even (SC) you were going 'I really like him, I really like him' it took me to .. but you thought you'd switch on me, your best mate in here. Because he's made out that me and Corin were bullying him (SC)
Josie continues to reiterate to John that she doesn't view their arguing during the day to be her fault. It seems that she feels let down by John as he was willing to listen to Sam. But she admits here that she is hurt. I wonder what Josie deems a 'switch.' Is it when someone she considers herself to be in a relationship with, or someone she is close to does not take her side? John is a just person - he tries to see where everyone is coming from in these situations. Something was clearly said in the SC which ignited something within John as he then broke his silence. (after 9 minutes and 18 seconds of Josie trying to get him to speak to her)
JOHN: You can ask Sammy, I did have a go at Sammy. Ask him.
JOSIE: When? When I turned around to you and said 'John, just stop it! You don't realise he's hurt .. ' so yeah .. but you knew what he said was out of order but it took me to say that to you. But you were big enough to ..
JOHN: Cos I thought that's the way you wanted to handle it .. you didn't want me to say anything.
JOSIE: No I didn't.
JOHN: That's why I didn't.
Here they are discussing when Sam made cruel comments about Josie which hurt her (previously in BB) It seems Josie was more hurt that John hadn't recognised Sam had hurt her until she vocalised this to him. But in fairness to John, Josie tried to cover up that Sam had upset her by bantering back with him and laughing. John tells her when that took place he didn't pull Sam up on his insults (at first as he did later) as he didn't think Josie wanted that. He was respecting her wishes and thinking of her.
JOSIE: I didn't want you to say .. yeah so why did you think it was up to you to come out here and switch on me .. because you thought .. you weren't there – but you thought (SC) to sit there and bully anyone after the commotion I made about you and Sam Pepper yesterday .. you obviously don't know me at all.
JOHN: Well I was wrong. I'm sorry. I apologised for that, Jose. What more do you want me to do?
JOSIE: Well you need to learn the error of your ways (SC)
John really hated when he upset Josie and throughout this conversation he is constantly apologising to her. In an interview when he came out of the house he said that he was especially sensitive when he fought with Josie. As much as he didn't like seeing her hurt, he hurt too when he felt responsible for her feeling that way. John keeps asking what more he can do too - he wants to hear what she wants and I'm sure he would have done what she wanted. Josie thought he needed to 'learn the error' of his ways .. but seemingly didn't think she had any lessons of her own to learn. Most of us here agree they have individual issues to work on in their personal lives - and they have been quick to point out the areas to each other they think need fixing. But are they willing to see these faults in their characters and behaviours? And if they can, do they want to do anything about it?
JOHN: What more could I do, Jose? I said I was sorry. I apologised, I said I was in the wrong. What more do you want? (SC) .. a plate of bugs, tarantula legs and ants for you .. (SC) .. sleeping on my mattress, alls I did was set up my bed full of pillows on concrete with the (SC)
If viewers were not convinced of John's love before, I think this was a massive demonstration of his love for Josie. How many men do you know that would be willing to eat a plateful of creepy crawlies and critters bits so that you wouldn't have to? And he slept very uncomfortably in order so that he could sleep next to and cuddle up with the woman he loved. Couldn't get any cuter!
JOSIE: I don't get upset. I get angry.
JOHN: Yeah, yeah I've noticed that. I've noticed that (SC)
JOSIE: Well I don't understand why you did it for.
JOHN: I just came out here .. originally I just came out here to ask you and then it turned .. it got violent.
JOSIE: It wasn't like that. You rewind the tape, it wasn't like that. You knew it.
I know that Josie does predominantly act in anger when she has feels offended or wronged or hurt - but she does get upset. She just doesn't necessarily make that manifest through her actions. Whereas John could never hide when he was emotional - he has an expressive face, yet only Josie seemed to be the one that would make him upset. Others could make him angry but if he argued with any of the other HM's I don't think it would have resulted in tears. (With the exception of his emotions when Corin told him how Nathan felt about him later this very evening - but he wasn't upset about having argued with him - he felt stitched up by BB and was left in a vulnerable position where some of his insecurities came out)
JOHN: But I didn't want to start an argument .. you think I want to start arguments with you .. I don't. (SC)
JOSIE: Said it should be illegal for me to wear a bikini .. to the same guy who called me fake (SC)
JOHN: Ask him! (SC)
JOSIE: .. conversation with him because I turned round to you and said how hurt I was about it all .. and you had one conversation with him then. But you didn't switch on him like you switched on me just then ..
JOHN: I had a go at him!
JOSIE: No you never.
JOHN: Ask him. Ask him! I'm not gonna come running to you every time I have a go at him, am I?
And for someone who described himself as argumentative and took some enjoyment in arguing with those he did not particularly care for - he never wanted to argue with Josie. Sometimes wires were crossed or they misunderstood each other, or took out their emotions on the other but he never searched for an argument with Josie or took any pleasure or satisfaction in them. Perhaps, a little delight in him being right when she was wrong - but that's it. He said, he backed down with her and in comparison to the other HM's he definitely did. But when they took the relationship outside the house - arguments became more frequent due to whatever triggered them - who knows if he still held back then? I don't think Josie would have.
JOSIE: But the thing is John if it's gonna take someone like Sam Pepper to make us fall out – then we're not that strong, are we?
JOHN: Well it's a difficult situation, Jose.
JOSIE: No it's not!
JOHN: He is my mate. Like I know that he's done horrible things and I understand that ..
JOSIE: But I was your mate and look how you treated me..
JOHN: I will always stick up for you no matter what, Jose.
JOSIE: Yeah but I was your mate and look at what you just did.
JOHN: Yeah and I apologise for that. I didn't mean it to turn out like that (SC)
A lot of rows in relationships generally are over the small, petty, trivial things but these things can add up. If they were unable to resolve their differences properly as they said they had to make up quickly for public appearances .. that was bound to take its toll on them and their relationship.
JOSIE: But I didn't expect you to come out here and turn it around and try and make out that I was the massivest bully in the Big Brother house ..
JOHN: No, it wasn't like that! Nooo.
JOSIE: Yeah you did.
JOHN: As if I would .. well if that's the way it came across then that's how it came across but it's not ..
JOSIE: Then you've seen with your own eyes when he was sat there, stood there talking to us (SC)
JOHN: But I've apologised for that. And I can't do any more than that, Josie. You know I would talk your side no matter what anyway.No matter what the situation was.
I'm not even sure if Josie knew herself what more she expected John to do. When it came down to it I believe John when he says that he would take Josie's side - no matter what.
JOSIE: Well it's about time you stepped up to the mark and stopped saying it .. and bl****y do it. Not come out here and switch on me over some bl****y little s**t!
JOHN: I only came out here to talk to you because I wanted to diffuse the situation .. I thought if I could ..
JOSIE: Diffuse it?
JOHN: Yeah that's what .. when I went out there ..
JOSIE: And basically what you've done is you've just give the little s**t exactly what he wants.
JOHN: No, you are by not talking to me. .. (SC) I want to continue with our..
How do you think Josie wanted John to step up to the mark exactly? Speculating here - do you think Josie or John wanted more committment from each other? In terms of marriage etc? (but one was not ready) John had a wonderful quality in him where he did have that power to diffuse a situation. He also has a negative trait where he can make a situation worse e.g - if he thinks he is right and go on and on and has the capacity to wind others up.
JOSIE: Exactly what he wants! You've just played right into his hands.
JOHN: Yeah but what did he want, Jose?
JOSIE: Huh?
JOHN: What do you believe that he wanted?
JOSIE: And the reason I thought that is I think .. the reasons I was thinking to myself 'why is he coming out here switching on me, over Sam Pepper? He knows what Sam Pepper is like!' and then I thought 'ooh .. why why are you sticking up for Sam all the time?' is that what you think the viewers want, is it?
JOHN: Come on, Jose you know more than anyone that ..
JOSIE: This is what I can't get me head round ..
JOHN: Yeah but you know that that would never ever be the reason.
I can't help feeling like John and Josie's relationship (not entirely as they each had their own obstacles in the relationship and individual challenges) has played right into the hands of the media. Well .. Channel 5 and OK magazine anyway. They couldn't give a damn about them as people so long as they squeeze every penny they can make out of them.
JOSIE: You think it's acceptable for him to insult people (JOHN – No I don't!) and carry on like he does because you think that's what the viewers want?
JOHN: I even had a go at him .. I had a go at him for having a dish out at Corin for calling her orange. So don't make out that I .. Davo was out here when I was having a go at him, ask Dave.
Josie's insecurities were in full force by this point. She even asked John if he was acting this way for the cameras. Something which would be in total opposition to John's moral integrity but little thoughts seemed to creep in her mind plaguing her from time to time. And I guess these would have continued outside BB when something didn't go Josie's way or she felt that John had not treated her in a way she liked.
More to coooooome!!”
I actually just watched this recently for the first time since the house. John did not just ask her about it. He definitely was having a little go about it. It was blown way out of proportion in the end, but he did. If you watch the part when Sam comes into the task room and says it, JJ jumps right in and is like that's not fair that's exactly what Josie was accusing you two of yesterday. John doesn't say anything and charges outside.
I think Josie's main issue here is that when John wasn't in there for the big blowup when Sam upset Josie and he stayed out of the conversation and wouldn't defend her, but kept saying he liked Sam. He just said, "I wasn't there. I wasn't there." over and over. Well this time, he wasn't there again, BUT he goes straight to Josie and has a go at her about it.
So I think she means here, he said he couldn't do it for Josie way back when Sam harrassed her, but he did it for Sam when he thought Josie was harrassing him. That's gotta hurt. Well, it would hurt me the guy I'm kissing under the covers and says he loves me, and then didn't defend me, but can defend his buddy Sam? Yeah, I'd be upset.
And he did. That's why I understood why Josie was so upset in this fight, but it was blown up. I think if she could just explain her feelings better, then it wouldn't get so firey.But for some reason she can't. I don't know if she gets muddled or she's too hurt but doesn't like to express that it's hurt, so she just turns to anger. Who knows?
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I really appreciate you sticking up for me over there. Thank you so much!!
Jose can be quit scary,when really angry