[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by Lowri

Reported here by DS: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...s-support.html

It's mind boggling if true...but i don't see a quote from Cameron, though. But if it's true what a disgrace!!!!!

[Fezzes and Ties]

I've been talking to a few people on Facebook and Twitter about the gay kiss thing today, but there was a thread on here in the soap forum that had this article from the Daily Mail (yeah, I know, but it's worth a little read) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...crackdown.html I don't know why they've consistently gone on about lesbians as it effects gay male kisses as well, but yes, Cameron has backed this and tbh if he really does want this and it does go ahead...well...just the thought of it makes me sick.

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by Fezzes and Ties

I've been talking to a few people on Facebook and Twitter about the gay kiss thing today, but there was a thread on here in the soap forum that had this article from the Daily Mail (yeah, I know, but it's worth a little read) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...crackdown.html I don't know why they've consistently gone on about lesbians as it effects gay male kisses as well, but yes, Cameron has backed this and tbh if he really does want this and it does go ahead...well...just the thought of it makes me sick.

it's very worrying, i would like Cameron come out and clarify his stance in light of these reports.....

[nebogipfel]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

it's very worrying, i would like Cameron come out and clarify his stance in light of these reports.....

I don't think Cameron is going to come out, Muttley.

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Fezzes and Ties

I've been talking to a few people on Facebook and Twitter about the gay kiss thing today, but there was a thread on here in the soap forum that had this article from the Daily Mail (yeah, I know, but it's worth a little read) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...crackdown.html I don't know why they've consistently gone on about lesbians as it effects gay male kisses as well, but yes, Cameron has backed this and tbh if he really does want this and it does go ahead...well...just the thought of it makes me sick.

It was interesting to read that a "Mr Bailey" (Head of the Mothers' Union) thinks advertisements for knickers and bras are suggestive and potentially damaging for children! Come on, that is just daft! I remember seeing the "Cross Your Heart" bra ads in the 70's and just giggling innocently. I never thought about it again until the next time itr was shown.

I think David Cameron is wrong to back this silly out dated campaign. Although I can see why he is. There are a lot of dinosaurs in the Tory Party who are unhappy with being in Coalition., There are some principles that these old farts still have that are precious to them. Backing some of their idiotic principles would probably give Cameron a bit more backing from these pratts if he is seen to pulling the party line! Also having a large amount of women on side wouldn't do him any harm either.

But, if gay kisses and sexual suggestive scenes are to be cut, so too should heterosexual scenes. Kids live in a different world nowadays and as such TV should, and DOES reflect that. The Prime Minister should not be interfering in matters that Ofcom can deal with, He has a country to run. You surely can't discriminate against a couple in love just because they are same sex! Love is love, what does it matter otherwise?

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by nebogipfel

I don't think Cameron is going to come out, Muttley.

Bah hah!

* coughs*


Moving on, Bearded Doctor Simpsons style...

http://springfieldpunx.blogspot.com/...eek-day-1.html

[Fezzes and Ties]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

it's very worrying, i would like Cameron come out and clarify his stance in light of these reports.....

It is isn't it? I just fear that we're going to go backwards after so much progression. The only positive I can see from this is the amount of support that gay minorities have received from people calling it ridiculous. I saw a straight dad posting on here earlier who said "if my children grew up to accept gay people for who they are, then surely that's a job well done?" and it makes me so happy to see this kind of support from people. Hopefully it'll get shot down...but I wouldn't take anything for granted

Originally Posted by nebogipfel

I don't think Cameron is going to come out, Muttley.

Haha!

Originally Posted by wizzywick

It was interesting to read that a "Mr Bailey" (Head of the Mothers' Union) thinks advertisements for knickers and bras are suggestive and potentially damaging for children! Come on, that is just daft! I remember seeing the "Cross Your Heart" bra ads in the 70's and just giggling innocently. I never thought about it again until the next time itr was shown.

I think David Cameron is wrong to back this silly out dated campaign. Although I can see why he is. There are a lot of dinosaurs in the Tory Party who are unhappy with being in Coalition., There are some principles that these old farts still have that are precious to them. Backing some of their idiotic principles would probably give Cameron a bit more backing from these pratts if he is seen to pulling the party line! Also having a large amount of women on side wouldn't do him any harm either.

But, if gay kisses and sexual suggestive scenes are to be cut, so too should heterosexual scenes. Kids live in a different world nowadays and as such TV should, and DOES reflect that. The Prime Minister should not be interfering in matters that Ofcom can deal with, He has a country to run. You surely can't discriminate against a couple in love just because they are same sex! Love is love, what does it matter otherwise?

You're spot on here. Personally, despite undeniable problems with the economy, I still think Labour would have been a much better choice to run the country. Instead we now have a government no-one voted for. Tell you one thing though, if this coalition has shown me one thing, it is to never vote Conservative. So well done Cameron on that one, the tit that he is (Sorry, but my rage needs escaping)

And your last paragraph I agree with so much. You can't...well I suppose you can...but you should in no way be allowed to discriminate against someone for who they love. If homosexual people aren't allowed to kiss pre-watershed, then neither should heterosexual people. And it's not just the blantant homophobia that pisses me off, it's the fact that children will grow up watching TV thinking that being gay is something wrong and that is why it is being scheduled to the dark hours. Just arrrrrrgh


But yes, let's hope Cameron delivers his true intentions soon enough. I'm pretty sure the Conservatives wouldn't be elected again in 2015, but if this went ahead, I would imagine that would be the icing on the cake.

Also, "Mr Bailey" head of the Mother's Union? Maybe he should go to the Father's Union and let us have our same sex kissing

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Fezzes and Ties

It is isn't it? I just fear that we're going to go backwards after so much progression. The only positive I can see from this is the amount of support that gay minorities have received from people calling it ridiculous. I saw a straight dad posting on here earlier who said "if my children grew up to accept gay people for who they are, then surely that's a job well done?" and it makes me so happy to see this kind of support from people. Hopefully it'll get shot down...but I wouldn't take anything for granted



Haha!



You're spot on here. Personally, despite undeniable problems with the economy, I still think Labour would have been a much better choice to run the country. Instead we now have a government no-one voted for. Tell you one thing though, if this coalition has shown me one thing, it is to never vote Conservative. So well done Cameron on that one, the tit that he is (Sorry, but my rage needs escaping)

And your last paragraph I agree with so much. You can't...well I suppose you can...but you should in no way be allowed to discriminate against someone for who they love. If homosexual people aren't allowed to kiss pre-watershed, then neither should heterosexual people. And it's not just the blantant homophobia that pisses me off, it's the fact that children will grow up watching TV thinking that being gay is something wrong and that is why it is being scheduled to the dark hours. Just arrrrrrgh


But yes, let's hope Cameron delivers his true intentions soon enough. I'm pretty sure the Conservatives wouldn't be elected again in 2015, but if this went ahead, I would imagine that would be the icing on the cake.

Also, "Mr Bailey" head of the Mother's Union? Maybe he should go to the Father's Union and let us have our same sex kissing

I am not going to get into a politics debate as I don't actually agree with you at all regarding The Labour Party. I also refuse to accept the tiresome "No one voted for them" line either. The Tories, whether anyone likes it or not, got the largest share of the vote. I support FPTP and as such I am moderately happy with the Government we have got. But politics is for the politics thread and whatever anyone's political views are, it is a totally personal thing and should always be respected.

On the subject discussed here, the banning of gay kisses pre 9pm, I think Cameron is wrong. He's not a bad bloke but he really needs to disassociate himself with things like TV campaigns as it will prove to be very divisive for him.

This also would result in such dumbed down output and even series' like "Waterloo Road" would need to focus on realistic subjects like boys playing netball and girls taking up paintball because it wouldn't be able to tackle real life issues that educate the audience who might otherwise have had no idea at all about what they were seeing.

[tonysidaway]

Firstly I should say that this is a little off-topic for the thread (I do know a lot of people kiss one another in Doctor Who and its spin-offs but kissing isn't unusual in drama).

Secondly this is a Daily Mail story.

Thirdly, it's election week. The Conservative Party is in government and would like a lot of people to vote conservative, so reminding very conservative people who they should be voting for is a good idea for them.

One good reason to do so is that they are good at putting a chain around the BBC's neck and yanking it so the greatest broadcasting organisation on the planet whines like a whipped puppy.

You might think that is a good reason not to do so, but I couldn't possibly comment.

An alternative reading is that the Daily Mail article actually reflects the thinking of the modern Conservative Party, in which case I don't think the coalition would stand much chance of survival.

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by tonysidaway

Firstly I should say that this is a little off-topic for the thread (I do know a lot of people kiss one another in Doctor Who and its spin-offs but kissing isn't unusual in drama).
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actually,i think that it is very relevant to this thread, because of the implications such a thing would have for Doctor Who, which would be rather massive, imho. Indeed Doctor Who has been one of THE most influential and important dramas in recent years because of the matter of fact way it has dealt with issues of sexuality since it returned. The idea of this open minded creativity being meddled with in any way is far more worrying to me in the context of the shows future than the quibbling over ratings that has been on going.

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

actually,i think that it is very relevant to this thread, because of the implications such a thing would have for Doctor Who, which would be rather massive, imho. Indeed Doctor Who has been one of THE most influential and important dramas in recent years because of the matter of fact way it has dealt with issues of sexuality since it returned. The idea of this open minded creativity being meddled with in any way is far more worrying to me in the context of the shows future than the quibbling over ratings that has been on going.

Trouble is, the Daily Mail report may, as usual, be reporting things totally out of context. I would support a campaign that banned obscene and overly graphic scenes from pre-watershed dramas, but would not support a campaign that just wanted to ban a kiss or a gay storyline before the watershed. I think it depends on what exactly is being campaigned against, and whether Camerons name is being used out of context too. Doctor Who in no way can ever be described as obscene or corruptive for children. I agree with you Muttley, it has tackled storylines recently in a way that is totally relevant and acceptable. I'd go as far to say that Captain Jack himself has made my nephew think two men being in love is just as normal as a man and a woman. I think that is a wonderful accolade for a bonkers little sci fi show to have! Promoting tolerance and acceptance is fantastic and soaps and high profile drama need to have the flexibility to continue doing this. The campaign will fail.

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by wizzywick

Trouble is, the Daily Mail report may, as usual, be reporting things totally out of context.

which is why i am keen for Cameron to clarify things. If he stays quiet rather than rubbishing the reports, that in itself i will find telling.....

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

which is why i am keen for Cameron to clarify things. If he stays quiet rather than rubbishing the reports, that in itself i will find telling.....

Unfortunately, while us TV fans think this is a really important subject, it's not really one that a PM will consider important enough to comment upon further. I am pretty confident that Cameron isn't a homophobe. He comes from my home town and considering the friends he's had, being a homophobe wouldn't be something to describe him as!

[Fezzes and Ties]

Originally Posted by wizzywick

I am not going to get into a politics debate as I don't actually agree with you at all regarding The Labour Party. I also refuse to accept the tiresome "No one voted for them" line either. The Tories, whether anyone likes it or not, got the largest share of the vote. I support FPTP and as such I am moderately happy with the Government we have got. But politics is for the politics thread and whatever anyone's political views are, it is a totally personal thing and should always be respected.

On the subject discussed here, the banning of gay kisses pre 9pm, I think Cameron is wrong. He's not a bad bloke but he really needs to disassociate himself with things like TV campaigns as it will prove to be very divisive for him.

This also would result in such dumbed down output and even series' like "Waterloo Road" would need to focus on realistic subjects like boys playing netball and girls taking up paintball because it wouldn't be able to tackle real life issues that educate the audience who might otherwise have had no idea at all about what they were seeing.

You're right, this is a DW forum and I shouldn't have voiced my politcal views on it. But I will say that I do recognize that they were the most voted for party, I meant a government no majority voted for, but I didn't make that clear at all, my bad. I just came from a discussion from person on Facebook who was telling me it was fine to discriminate against people for sexuality and racism - probably wrong to come on a forum when you're pretty peeved then. Again my bad. Sorry

In fact, I watched a Stonewall video today of Cameron giving a message "It get's better, today." talking to those victims of homophobic bullying - it was actually a really inspiring video, which is why I felt doubly disappointed after today's news. I want the Prime Minister in that video. But I suppose we'll never know for certain if his name is being misused or not until he makes some kind of statement on it.

Hopefully nothing will come of it...

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Fezzes and Ties

You're right, this is a DW forum and I shouldn't have voiced my politcal views on it. But I will say that I do recognize that they were the most voted for party, I meant a government no majority voted for, but I didn't make that clear at all, my bad. I just came from a discussion from person on Facebook who was telling me it was fine to discriminate against people for sexuality and racism - probably wrong to come on a forum when you're pretty peeved then. Again my bad. Sorry

In fact, I watched a Stonewall video today of Cameron giving a message "It get's better, today." talking to those victims of homophobic bullying - it was actually a really inspiring video, which is why I felt doubly disappointed after today's news. I want the Prime Minister in that video. But I suppose we'll never know for certain if his name is being misused or not until he makes some kind of statement on it.

Hopefully nothing will come of it...

I pretty much think nothing will come from the campaign. On the subject of Cameron, he has a tendency to put his foot in things but that doesn't make him bad. He is also a genuinely nice family man and the devotion he has for his wife is wonderful. Very much in the same vain as those lovely and poignant pictures of Gordon Brown walking away from Downing Street so in awe of his wife with his children.

No leader will ever get it right every single moment of the time. Sometimes they put their names to things because they like the sound of it. If someone phoned him and said "We have a campaign that is trying to remove all unnecessary filth, gay sex and offensive, sexual nature on TV before the watershed, can we use your name in our campaign?" Chances are he would have said "Yes"!

He possibly takes dozens and dozens of phone calls a day!


This is obviously just a theory and if we do ever find out the truth, we would do well to discuss it then! No point getting angry about something we don't really know anything about!

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by wizzywick

Unfortunately, while us TV fans think this is a really important subject, it's not really one that a PM will consider important enough to comment upon further.

things like this often blow up in to bigger issues though, we've seen it so many times...it's only take someone like Fry to comment about it on twitter and it'd be front page news...

i've chosen my words carefully here because i have seen no quote attributed to Cameron either directly or indirectly, just a reference to him "supporting" this "ban". I just wish he'd nip it in the bud if it's all a misunderstanding....

[tonysidaway]

One of David Cameron's formative experiences as a politician was the bloody hard kicking he, personally, got in his initial opposition to the repeal of Section 28.

Cameron really did start out as the kind of Conservative who thought Section 28 was a good thing, and actively campaigned against reform. The opposition of people like David Cameron, largely outside the Commons before he was elected, is the main reason it took the last government three years.

Three years in power with a landslide majority to rid the nation of the ban on local government promotion of the welfare of homosexual-led families, or "pretended family relationships" as Section 28 so obscenely put it.

We're not going back there. Never. He knows it.

Dave and his friends are trying to get out the vote, but the voters he aims at are people my age, ancient old buggers. Some of us remember how nasty and horrible those days were and will take all the more pleasure in voting against these spiteful notions. Dave will just have to get used to it.

[Big Steve]

Regarding the whole banning of lesbian kisses before the watershed isn't this going to throw TV back towards the dark ages. I mean they mention stuff like Brookside and I remember the whole Beth kiss deal and to be honest it's nothing.

I really hope that Cameron mentiones it and rubbishes his name from this disgusting and worrying plan because if this group could be as bad as the whole mary whitehouse group and being selfish for a moment as someone who is a screen writer and director I would hate to think that these sort of people would have the power to dicated to myself what I can or cannot write or direct.

Well I know when it comes to Sunday Bloody Sunday I said before I was going to do something which would really upset the daily mail readers, however now I have added reason to get this film made now before I face a self imposed censorship

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by tonysidaway

One of David Cameron's formative experiences as a politician was the bloody hard kicking he, personally, got in his initial opposition to the repeal of Section 28.

Cameron really did start out as the kind of Conservative who thought Section 28 was a good thing, and actively campaigned against reform. The opposition of people like David Cameron, largely outside the Commons before he was elected, is the main reason it took the last government three years.

Three years in power with a landslide majority to rid the nation of the ban on local government promotion of the welfare of homosexual-led families, or "pretended family relationships" as Section 28 so obscenely put it.

We're not going back there. Never. He knows it.

Dave and his friends are trying to get out the vote, but the voters he aims at are people my age, ancient old buggers. Some of us remember how nasty and horrible those days were and will take all the more pleasure in voting against these spiteful notions. Dave will just have to get used to it.

It makes one wonder if politicians, especially those who start out, just sign their names against things because they are going with their party's general consensus. To lick arse! Section 28 has no place now nor had a place then and as you say, any poltician with such discriminiative views will get a good kicking in the press. Remember when that Tory twit got bad press for suggesting gay couples should be banned from B&B's if the B&B owners are homophobic? That lost the Tories a few points in the polls I seem to recall!

The article in question in general, suggests that Cameron hasn't even been asked yet but the group who are running the campaign makes a point of saying "which will get backing from David Cameron" which I interpret as "because a few old Tory dinosaurs agree with us and because Cameron is leader of these Tories we'll use his name to add momentum!"

[Muttley76]

Bravo to the Doctor Who "fans" whos whinging on DS has fed the Daily Mail a negative story, btw. I'm not even going to post the link but gee....you'd never guess that 87% of people rated the story excellent or good....

[Muttley76]

Thats the trouble with the daily fail, you submit a perfectly polite and truthful comment and then it has to be "moderated" where most of the comments that disagree with the article will be chucked out for no valid reason to try and make it appear most people agree with the original article.

anyway, back to work! Mind you it's another long weekend for me this weekend...

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

Bravo to the Doctor Who "fans" whos whinging on DS has fed the Daily Mail a negative story, btw. I'm not even going to post the link but gee....you'd never guess that 87% of people rated the story excellent or good....

I think this is the story Muttley is referring to:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...m-tune-in.html

But it says a dedicated DW site not necessarily DS! I think though, while the ratings will obviously suggest people will still watch in droves, some of the comments to to some of the contributors are valid. Compared to the previous era it could easily be perceived as more complex but that doesn't necessarily mean people no longer like it!

What I found amusing was the bit about the 2 children who watch it Sunday mornings! I bet they didn't ask but their prudish parents decided for them. In the days when I watched DW when I was a kid, I was scared to death by some episodes. I even had nightmares! But it NEVER stopped my parents letting me watch it on Saturday nights! Moffat is right. Kids do like to be scared. They also are more intelligent than people give them credit for.

What the Daily Mail doesn't say is that the ratings for the time of year (late April) are virtually on par with the ratings for the same time last year. It seems apparent that due to longer and warmer evenings, each year people seem to be taking advantage of the weather the UK rarely offers!

I do however, take the concerns of some forum users as valid, some people have even told me it's not as good, infact my colleague who's daughter has learning difficulties, told me her daughter no longer watches because it is too complicated for her and she can't seem to follow what's going on. My nephew even told me it was boring now! Their views need to be taken into consideration because if those two people are finding it less entertaining than they did previously, then there are likely to be others too!

Having said that, the majority of people watching will still be thoroughly enjoy it and are eagerly keen to see how the story unfolds. There will always be a loss of viewers for any show, but DW is not shedding bucket loads of viewers. It is interesting to note that while the report is kicking DW, it fails to mention the abysmal 1 million viewing figure for "Don't Scare The Hare" which has to be BBC1's lowest ever rated Saturday evening show!

[Muttley76]

Hi wizzy, it got edited after I posted that, before it explicitly stated Digital Spy. You can see the story was updated an hour or so ago, perhaps because I sent a link to the episode poll! Am posting on my mobile so excuse any errors!

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

Hi wizzy, it got edited after I posted that, before it explicitly stated Digital Spy. You can see the story was updated an hour or so ago. Am posting on my mobile so excuse any errors!

How interesting! If that's the case, they obviously felt that readers may assume the story was conceived by viewers opinion rather than fact! What brilliant journalism! Are there any jobs going?

[CD93]

/sigh, I somehow ended up on DW Spoilers looking at a possible overheard conversation between two characters =_=

I should destroy the Internet... somehow.

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