Good to see them back! The Doctor mentioning two of the founding fathers fancied him and also Delaware. I say Delaware because Amy asks him why he was kicked out of the FBI:
"I wanted to get married" he responds.
"Why, is that a crime?"
He looks at her, "Yes."

Hmmm, what else would that mean? If RTD was still head he'd get more digs about his 'gay agenda'!

That and the two of the founding fathers fancying the Doctor comment - or did I imagine that one?

And I actually didn't get the marriage reference.

Ignore

So the G likes men, cool.....

DW is just a show, if you actively search of minor references, a certain part of you is looking for them.......

Good luck, you'll do fine on the scene.......

Hmm.

They came across as glaringly obvious references to me..

Well I did smile at that, it was such a blatant nod to RTD-style 'gay agenda' lines. Though Steven used to write them himself under that era anyway! So we've got the straight agenda (i.e. whenever Moffat decides to sex up Amy) and the gay agenda. No problem whatsoever!

I'm not sure it's a same-sex marriage reference, because I think it's unlikely in 1969 he'd casually reference that to a stranger, and expect her to understand.

Didn't/don't think that was a gay reference, just thought/think he meant FBI agents are preferred not to marry, in case they wind up 'fessing to the wife.

Yeah, I fought it was more an FBI thing than a Gay thing.

Being gay, I took it straight away as being a gay reference, but I thought about it afterwards and considered that it could also have been an FBI thing.

I don't know enough about the FBI, but actually, I would think that they are allowed to marry...

Perhaps, in the world of Who, not after having joined up in case, drunk, they blab something.

Maybe he liked a black woman, that was illegal too.

Now he has left the Bureau, is he married...it appears not.

I clocked the comments and thought, Gay, Interracial, Extra-Terrestrial???

I think this and the Silence killing "Joy" are significant somehow!

Well:

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/25...eturns#content

-So that could either be the little tease of the Americans, that two of the most powerful men were at least Bi

-Or it could be that Canton Delaware - one of the 4 people the Doctor apparently trusts the most - is gay, and is a cool spy guy.

Not sure which one, but based on what we have been given so far I would think the former option. You can't decide his sexuality from a single ambigious line where it is just as possible the crime was marrying against the fbi's wishes, or marrying a black person.

Plus the article seems aimed at the 1st episode of the two-parter (although admittedly there are a lot of reasons which actually refer to the 2nd parter - swimming pool for instance)

I believe interracial marrage was made legal in America in 1967, and earlier in Washington DC. I don't know when but I think the Supreme Court case that started the 67 repeal began in 65 about a couple moving from DC to Virginia.

I guess it may still have been an issue in 69 in a conservative (small c) organisation like the FBI.


I wouldnt be surprised if the reference was about gay marriage though. Although thats a very modern concept. I think in 69 the gay community was concerned with more basic rights. But the Stonewall riots were happening in New York in 69, which lead to the gay movment become a major politic force.

Can't find anything on the web to suggest that FBI agents were not allowed to marry, but of course at that time the FBI were controlled by J Edgae Hoover who outwardly was very anti homosexual but was in fact believed to be a closet homosexual himself. I use the term homosexual rather than gay as that is how gays were referred to by officialdom in those days. Of course it might just have meant that Canton had wanted to marry someone who his bosses didn't aproove of and was prevented from marrying. Believe it or not up untill the late 80's a serving British Police Officer had to seek permission to get married and that approval would not be given if his intended did not pass strict checks !

Surely it is a nod to the common belief that the head of the FBI J Edgar Hoover was gay and had a close relationship with his deputy Clyde Tolson, to whom he left his estate? Therefore the FBI agent could be hinting (to American viewers) that his gay boss would not like the idea of an attractive male agent getting married to a woman..

That seems fair enough. Wouldn't want a copper marrying the head of the mafia. I know from a former neighbour that if police officers buy a flat in a block they have to have the other residents checked out to ensure none of them are criminals either.

I hadn't noticed the gay references so much but what I have noticed is the 'Saucy or 'Smut' agenda since SM took over!

This includes:

Rory looking up Amy's skirt in the Comic Relief Special
Rory and Amy upto funny business in A Christmas Carol in their costumes.
The Doctor under that woman's dress at the beginning of last night's episode. 'This isn't what it seems!'

And if I really put my mind to it, I'm sure I could think of several other examples as well!!!!!

How about "I'm quite the screamer"

Apart from the (possible)J Edgar Hoover reference, no-one in the 60s would have made the leap from 'marriage' to 'gay' as that is a very recent idea, gay people then had enough trouble trying to be accepted in any kind of 'normal' society and the idea of 'marrying' just wouldn't crop up in converstion. The big thing it the late 60s was about race rather than gender. Besides, he may have meant 'forbidden in the FBI, frowned upon', etc rather than literally a crime.

The FBI bloke asking The Doctor what's going on and the The Doctor replying, something like "nothing, we're just good frends"

I think it's all a bit much, tbh. The 'looking up Amy's skirt in the Tardis' thing was actually pretty grim.

Canton was obviously referring to America's anti-miscegenation laws. The only problem is that the law was overturned in 1967 by the Supreme Court. By 1969 blacks and whites were free to marry I guess (isn't it shocking that such a disgusting law was still in existence in America as late as 1967??). Maybe Moffat hadn't done his research.

Was made legal in 1967 wasn't it?